News: DMN: Stephen Jones: Cowboys will be ‘efficient’ in free agency

[Primetime42]

Apples and oranges. They went hog wild and rebuilt their entire team there.

We're talking about adding one key player to a 12-4 team that was this close to the NFC Championship Game.

You are never one player away. See 2007-2008.

 

[Stash]

You should know that franchise QB's like Romo are worth it. No one else is though.

So, no to Dez coming back too then?

 

[skinsscalper]

I have to say that this news disappoints me. I feel that second-tier signings mean second-tier results.

It's great that they want to tout the success they had with Mincey, but for every one of him, I can give you two Nate Livings.

Keep in mind that Jones said that they will be "efficient" in FA, He didn't necessarily say "cheap". I was listening to this interview live and though he DID reference the relative success they had with the Mincey deal, at no point in the interview did he imply that the Cowboys would avoid any tier level of FAs. I think if the right deal came around for a Hardy type player that the Cowboys would certainly entertain the idea. With that being said, I don't think the Cowboys are going to sell their collective souls for a deal with Suh. Also, keep in mind a big part of FA is getting your own guys re-signed. That's where the Cowboys focus is right now (as it should be). Another thing to keep in mind is that you don't HAVE to go out and overpay in FA to have a successful off-season. It's a virtual lead pipe lock guarantee that the teams that sign guys like Suh, Cobb, or Julius Thomas are going to end up VASTLY overpaying or those players and two years down the road those contracts are going to look like a major mistake. That's not to say that those players won't be successful, they just won't be worth the cap space that they are occupying.

I think we can still improve our pass rush (our biggest achilles heel) in FA without going ********. One more thing: When was the last time a team went "all in" through FA and it actually worked out? I would be all for getting one impact guy like Hardy. But, honestly, I'm much bigger fan of the way that the Dallas FO has been doing business lately than I have over the better part of the past two decades (you know that period when EVERY off-season was an "all in" approach).

 

[Doomsday101]

So, no to Dez coming back too then?

Depends on asking price. I think Dallas will be able to do a deal that satisfies Dez and the Cowboys. The days handing out money like it is candy look to be gone thankfully

 

[jterrell]

The goal is to win the Super Bowl. guys like Romo and Witten don't don't have time to wait on you to take your time building. they need you to be all in about winning a Super Bowl. need to bring in some big time F-Agents to help put this team over the top. Hardy or Suh, would be fine with me.

2 of the cowboys best players last year were zach martin and anthony hitchens.
how long did it take them to develop?

ultimately i agree that there is a window here to succeed.
but the 3 years prior to 2014 we tried to win in that window and failed pretty harshly.
gave up that model got cheaper and MUCH younger and the results improved dramatically.

there is no guarantee this team can win 12 games again next year whether we add 5 top free agents or not.

this team can absolutely use a proven pass rusher.
but you have to weigh cost and risk versus performance.
the best players now are VERY seldom the best players in 3 years.

dallas has built a young, very good team by drafting well and making smart cap moves.
no reason for them to ditch that plan and try to follow a denver model.

 

[Doomsday101]

Keep in mind that Jones said that they will be "efficient" in FA, He didn't necessarily say "cheap". I was listening to this interview live and though he DID reference the relative success they had with the Mincey deal, at no point in the interview did he imply that the Cowboys would avoid any tier level of FAs. I think if the right deal came around for a Hardy type player that the Cowboys would certainly entertain the idea. With that being said, I don't think the Cowboys are going to sell their collective souls for a deal with Suh. Also, keep in mind a big part of FA is getting your own guys re-signed. That's where the Cowboys focus is right now (as it should be). Another thing to keep in mind is that you don't HAVE to go out and overpay in FA to have a successful off-season. It's a virtual lead pipe lock guarantee that the teams that sign guys like Suh, Cobb, or Julius Thomas are going to end up VASTLY overpaying or those players and two years down the road those contracts are going to look like a major mistake. That's not to say that those players won't be successful, they just won't be worth the cap space that they are occupying.

I think we can still improve our pass rush (our biggest achilles heel) in FA without going ********. One more thing: When was the last time a team went "all in" through FA and it actually worked out? I would be all for getting one impact guy like Hardy. But, honestly, I'm much bigger fan of the way that the Dallas FO has been doing business lately than I have over the better part of the past two decades (you know that period when EVERY off-season was an "all in" approach).

I have no issue getting any player in FA depending on the cost. I think Cowboys have learned from past mistakes and I hope they continue to build as they have

 

[Stash]

True no one knows, any player could take 1 shot and it is over. If you want to have a chance at a replacement then do not spend insane money on Hardy or Suh.

Any potential replacement is coming via the draft, not free agency. I think we both know that. Peyton Manning is the last great quarterback since Drew Brees to shake loose, and both were the direct result of serious injury concerns. And in today's NFL, even mediocre quarterbacks like Kaepernick and Dalton are getting $100 million plus deals. Our next good QB will be drafted, not bought.

You guys are looking for 1 year I'm not and glad the Cowboys are not looking at 1 year and then spend time at the bottom.

I'd rather have a championship when it's time for Romo to retire than have nothing to show for his entire tenure here.

NE and other top teams have managed to make themselves relevant without having to get every high priced FA that hits the market and because of that they are able to stay highly competitive and give themselves a chance. I don't want the quick fix evidently you do and that is fine

Darrelle Revis says hello...

 

[cej757]

If we don't resign Murray, then we need to look to FA for a solid running back. A rookie I wouldn't trust no matter how high his grade. A first round DL on the other hand could easily be trusted.

If Murray is gone, I say we get CJ Spiller from the Bills they just picked up Shady. McCoy will struggle in Buffalo behind that OL, while Spiller will blossom behind ours.

Spiller is probably going to the Jets to reunite with Chan Gailey.

 

[sbark]

Over valuing sack stats......Seattle was 22nd in the league in Sacks last year, not sure 2013. but they get pressure, I'm sure Peyton felt he was under pressure continuously in the S.Bowl, but was only sacked 1x, but with pressure the Bronco's coughed up the ball several times.
We couldn't even move A.rogers off a spot with pressure up the inside, and that is the root problem to address, and he even was very gimpy. We need what we had hoped Melton was going to give us---inside, quick pressure, then the sacks will come naturally. Possible Marinelli is thinking Crawford will improve, and then Coleman, Okeye can contribute. I know they don't value 1 Techs, but a 1 Tech that can destroy a double team ala Seattle Bennett with his excellent hands, or Suh with his top level power is what would take this team farther, those 2 are basically 3 techs that can dominate at 1 techs.

 

[Stash]

You are never one player away. See 2007-2008.

You could be, see Charles Haley.

 

[Doomsday101]

Any potential replacement is coming via the draft, not free agency. I think we both know that. Peyton Manning is the last great quarterback since Drew Brees to shake loose, and both were the direct result of serious injury concerns. And in today's NFL, even mediocre quarterbacks like Kaepernick and Dalton are getting $100 million plus deals. Our next good QB will be drafted, not bought.



I'd rather have a championship when it's time for Romo to retire than have nothing to show for his entire tenure here.



Darrelle Revis says hello...

on a 1 year deal and likely will not bring Revis back but for the most part looking at the Pats they are not doing it via the FA market. I saw what Philly did with their dream team and it was a massive failure. Dallas locking into high dollar FA has not helped this team at all. Cowboys are doing things the right way and they are paying off and I don't want them to start going back to foolish deals that do not pay off. We disagree that is all there is

 

[cej757]

I think they will consider a big money free agent, but they don't want to set the market or get into a bidding war.

When the signed Carr they set the market and basically bid against themselves.

Jeff Fischer set the market when he signed Courtland Finnergan first. Dallas signed Carr after that deal took place.

 

[Stash]

Keep in mind that Jones said that they will be "efficient" in FA, He didn't necessarily say "cheap". I was listening to this interview live and though he DID reference the relative success they had with the Mincey deal, at no point in the interview did he imply that the Cowboys would avoid any tier level of FAs. I think if the right deal came around for a Hardy type player that the Cowboys would certainly entertain the idea. With that being said, I don't think the Cowboys are going to sell their collective souls for a deal with Suh. Also, keep in mind a big part of FA is getting your own guys re-signed. That's where the Cowboys focus is right now (as it should be). Another thing to keep in mind is that you don't HAVE to go out and overpay in FA to have a successful off-season. It's a virtual lead pipe lock guarantee that the teams that sign guys like Suh, Cobb, or Julius Thomas are going to end up VASTLY overpaying or those players and two years down the road those contracts are going to look like a major mistake. That's not to say that those players won't be successful, they just won't be worth the cap space that they are occupying.

Yeah, but typically, the teams spending big on free agents are doing it because 1) they have cap space and 2) were terrible the year before.

The Packers make very few big free agent signings, but when they do, they get guys like Reggie White (won a Super Bowl), Charles Woodson (won a Super Bowl), and Julius Peppers (NFC Championship Game).

I think we can still improve our pass rush (our biggest achilles heel) in FA without going ********.

How?

One more thing: When was the last time a team went "all in" through FA and it actually worked out? I would be all for getting one impact guy like Hardy.

And that's what I'm looking for. Just that one guy. And then I'm out of free agency other than trying to retain a few of my own guys.

But, honestly, I'm much bigger fan of the way that the Dallas FO has been doing business lately than I have over the better part of the past two decades (you know that period when EVERY off-season was an "all in" approach).

I like the approach overall, but I don't think we can be patient in filling this one glaring need and gaping hole on defense.

 

[jterrell]

Any potential replacement is coming via the draft, not free agency. I think we both know that. Peyton Manning is the last great quarterback since Drew Brees to shake loose, and both were the direct result of serious injury concerns. And in today's NFL, even mediocre quarterbacks like Kaepernick and Dalton are getting $100 million plus deals. Our next good QB will be drafted, not bought.



I'd rather have a championship when it's time for Romo to retire than have nothing to show for his entire tenure here.



Darrelle Revis says hello...

Don't let XW drag you down that silly rabbit hole man.
Revis was really a 1 year deal. He got a franchise tag amount for 1 year of his prime.
NE saw a need at DB and put OL cash from Logan Mankins into Revis at CB for 1 year.
They actually paid 7m in cap costs last year for Revis.

Where you can get a guy like Revis on a 1 year deal that is a great buy.
Like tagging Dez this year that is a no brainer.

Now having to pay Revis 96mil (with 17m year one) as Tampa did is a different thing which is why he was gone off that contract so quickly.

 

[skinsscalper]

For me, I had little to no expectations for the guy so he easily exceeded those.

And he was this team's best pass rusher, as low as that limbo bar was...

But how sad is it when you're trying to brag about a 6-sack guy...

Not sad at all when you see that his cap hit was $2.2 million. Ware had, IIRC, 9 sacks this past season (maybe 10) and he was paid $13+ million. It's all about perspective. Now, could we use a dominant pass rusher? Hell to the yes. But, we have to make sure we are getting the right guy. You think Denver would consider a "redo" on that contract when they realised that Ware was exactly what the Cowboys knew he was (a guy that plays string to start a season and fades at the end). To top it off, the Broncos tried to play it safe with Ware by limiting his snaps and he STILL faded down the stretch.

Do we need to upgrade Mincey's 6 sacks? You bet. Would it be smart to increase it by 3 for an added $11 million dollars? Not even close. You HAVE to get the right guy. Ware was the highest rated FA in the entire NFL last year. He was 2014s Suh. How did that work out? Keep in mind that Jones said that they will be "efficient" in FA just not stupid.

 

[Rockport]

So, no to Dez coming back too then?

Dez isn't going to get 27mil per year.

 

[Stash]

on a 1 year deal and likely will not bring Revis back but for the most part looking at the Pats they are not doing it via the FA market

Who cares? The fact is that it helped them to get a championship, one they haven't gotten in a decade! No wiggling off of this hook.

I saw what Philly did with their dream team and it was a massive failure.

And apples and oranges attempt not worthy of discussing any further.

Dallas locking into high dollar FA has not helped this team at all. Cowboys are doing things the right way and they are paying off and I don't want them to start going back to foolish deals that do not pay off. We disagree that is all there is

If you could illustrate an exact comparison to their current situation, I might agree but I feel that this one is unique.

But yeah, we agree to disagree,

 

[Stash]

Don't let XW drag you down that silly rabbit hole man.
Revis was really a 1 year deal. He got a franchise tag amount for 1 year of his prime.
NE saw a need at DB and put OL cash from Logan Mankins into Revis at CB for 1 year.
They actually paid 7m in cap costs last year for Revis.

Where you can get a guy like Revis on a 1 year deal that is a great buy.
Like tagging Dez this year that is a no brainer.

Now having to pay Revis 96mil (with 17m year one) as Tampa did is a different thing which is why he was gone off that contract so quickly.

But the fact remains that adding that superstar top player put them over the hump to win a championship that they couldn't win for the past decade.

A great investment overall.

 

[jterrell]

You could be, see Charles Haley.

That's a really bad example.
I know plenty of people credit Haley with this amazing impact but he had 10 sacks in 1992 AND 1993 COMBINED. He didn't even make the Pro Bowl.

Haley's BIG year was 1994 when we of course lost to the 49ers.

 

[Doomsday101]

Who cares? The fact is that it helped them to get a championship, one they haven't gotten in a decade! No wiggling off of this hook.



And apples and oranges attempt not worthy of discussing any further.



If you could illustrate an exact comparison to their current situation, I might agree but I feel that this one is unique.

But yeah, we agree to disagree,

I care how NE has made themselves relevant while Dallas has been an 8-8 team. Dallas finally got their heads out of their backside and now we have fans who want to go back to business as usual? Forget that. lol

Apples to oranges? lol whatever Philly played the high dollar FA game and it got them no where I hope like hell Dallas does not do this it is stupid