News: DMN: Stephen Jones: Cowboys will be ‘efficient’ in free agency

[jterrell]

But the fact remains that adding that superstar top player put them over the hump to win a championship that they couldn't win for the past decade.

A great investment overall.

yes, it was because the investment was only 12 million.

that's precisely the point.

i am all for adding a ton of great players to his team. just tell me you aren't spending over 20m for any of them and I am all aboard that plan.

 

[Doomsday101]

That's a really bad example.
I know plenty of people credit Haley with this amazing impact but he had 10 sacks in 1992 AND 1993 COMBINED. He didn't even make the Pro Bowl.

Haley's BIG year was 1994 when we of course lost to the 49ers.

It is a bad example also because Haley was not getting the contracts that guys like Reggie White and Bruce Smith were getting. Dallas signed Haley on a 4 year 12 mill dollar contract

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You could be, see Charles Haley.

Cowboys actually did this twice during the Glory years of the 90s. We signed Charles Haley in 1992 and we won a championship. Haley was the Defensive Player of the Year in 1992. We did it again in 1995 with Dion Sanders and he absolutely was the difference in winning a Championship. The year before, we lost in the NFC Championship game to the 49ers, who had signed Dion and won that Super Bowl that year. The next year, we signed him away and we won the Championship. Our organization has had success signing big time FAs and it has resulted in Championships.

 

[jterrell]

It is a bad example also because Haley was not getting the contracts that guys like Reggie White and Bruce Smith were getting. Dallas signed Haley on a 4 year 12 mill dollar contract

also because the pone player wasn't the difference.
haley had virtually zero impact for the 1992 Cowboys which is arguably the greatest team in NFL history.
he followed that with another mediocre injury-slowed season in 1993 when we again walked through teams to a title.

haley did make a huge impact on the 1995 title team(and was arguably it's best defensive player) but by then he had been here 4 years.

 

[cej757]

He does that every year. and the last going on 4 years, it has gotten worse. cowboys fans have been told yet again(a week before FA start) that Jerry won't go after any of the top guys.

But we'll see Jason Garrett and Tony Romo making sure they keep their offense intact. Now I see they've included Demarco Murray on their annual Duke trip this year. I like Murray but, I'll be pissed if we give him a big deal when we could've signed a difference maker on the defensive side of the ball. We'll just be moving on from George Selvie to get another guy just like him and talking about we're upgrading? Please ,Smh?

 

[anava]

I care how NE has made themselves relevant while Dallas has been an 8-8 team. Dallas finally got their heads out of their backside and now we have fans who want to go back to business as usual? Forget that. lol

Apples to oranges? lol whatever Philly played the high dollar FA game and it got them no where I hope like hell Dallas does not do this it is stupid

But NE did it by putting a very good defense and then lucking into Brady. It is much easier to plug and play on defense than at QB. They have been more active in FA and I would think that would continue as the Brady window closes.

 

[skinsscalper]

I think they will consider a big money free agent, but they don't want to set the market or get into a bidding war.

When the signed Carr they set the market and basically bid against themselves.

Are you sure? IIRC The Rams signed Finnegan (which set the market) and Carr was signed immediately afterward. I could be wrong but I could have sworn that's how it went down.

 

[MaineBoy]

I actually think that the Eagles' plan is to replace McCoy with CJ Spiller.

This.... I think we have 2 more romo years... If we building for the future we need to find his replacement sooner than later...

No..we are "one good hit on our 35 yo QB's back" away from having no QB that can get us through the playoffs to the Super Bowl. I think Stephen and Jerry have lost their minds on this "go-slow" approach at this time. Romo has 2 years maximum left at a high level and for them to go with "value" FA's instead of "impact" FA's will just keep us from getting over the top because the team always has big holes; skill players are good but offensive line sucks...offensive line and skill players are good but defense sucks....defense is good and offensive line is good and skill players are good - but Romo is done....I'm not saying to do the old stupid stuff but now is the time to strike...right now, today, we are a good defense away from going to the promised land....if they take 2-3 years to fix the defense while Romo's window closes, do we bring Quincy back ?

 

[Stash]

Not sad at all when you see that his cap hit was $2.2 million. Ware had, IIRC, 9 sacks this past season (maybe 10) and he was paid $13+ million. It's all about perspective. Now, could we use a dominant pass rusher? Hell to the yes. But, we have to make sure we are getting the right guy. You think Denver would consider a "redo" on that contract when they realised that Ware was exactly what the Cowboys knew he was (a guy that plays string to start a season and fades at the end). To top it off, the Broncos tried to play it safe with Ware by limiting his snaps and he STILL faded down the stretch.

All true, but they knew they were signing age too.

Do we need to upgrade Mincey's 6 sacks? You bet. Would it be smart to increase it by 3 for an added $11 million dollars? Not even close. You HAVE to get the right guy. Ware was the highest rated FA in the entire NFL last year. He was 2014s Suh. How did that work out? Keep in mind that Jones said that they will be "efficient" in FA just not stupid.

But again, he had age and a known history of injuries. Hardy does not have those same issues.

 

[jterrell]

Cowboys actually did this twice during the Glory years of the 90s. We signed Charles Haley in 1992 and we won a championship. Haley was the Defensive Player of the Year in 1992. We did it again in 1995 with Dion Sanders and he absolutely was the difference in winning a Championship. The year before, we lost in the NFC Championship game to the 49ers, who had signed Dion and won that Super Bowl that year. The next year, we signed him away and we won the Championship. Our organization has had success signing big time FAs and it has resulted in Championships.

No, Haley was not the defensive player of the year. He didn't even make the Pro Bowl. He had 6 sacks.

Haley was All Pro twice. 1990 and 1994.
The defensive player of the year in 1992 was Cortez Kennedy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League_Defensive_Player_of_the_Year_Award

 

[Stash]

Dez isn't going to get 27mil per year.

Who is?

 

[skinsscalper]

No you haven't. You initially said that signing second tier player = second tier results. After being called out for that ridiculousness. Then you went on to say signing one big name free agent stuff. You didn't repeatedly say this.

Without stepping into someone else's pile of dog ****, I will vouch that stash's history on this subject (this off-season) has been to sign one high profile pass rusher. Hardy has been his target since day one. Not taking sides here, just saying I've had this conversation on the board with him several times.

 

[Doomsday101]

But NE did it by putting a very good defense and then lucking into Brady. It is much easier to plug and play on defense than at QB. They have been more active in FA and I would think that would continue as the Brady window closes.

Why? They drafted Jimmy Garoppolo in the 2nd rd last season to be able to continue on after Brady they will have a good young QB and the means to continue to put solid players around him.

 

[Stash]

That's a really bad example.
I know plenty of people credit Haley with this amazing impact but he had 10 sacks in 1992 AND 1993 COMBINED. He didn't even make the Pro Bowl.

Haley's BIG year was 1994 when we of course lost to the 49ers.

But you don't think that his pass rush was the missing piece for that defense and helped put us over the top?

I mean honestly, when did the championships start coming and when did they stop?

The man helped win 3 Super Bowls in his 4 years here.

 

[Stash]

I care how NE has made themselves relevant while Dallas has been an 8-8 team. Dallas finally got their heads out of their backside and now we have fans who want to go back to business as usual? Forget that. lol

Apples to oranges? lol whatever Philly played the high dollar FA game and it got them no where I hope like hell Dallas does not do this it is stupid

You should add in more lol's, you don't sound quite enough like a texting teenage girl yet.

 

[skinsscalper]

All true, but they knew they were signing age too.



But again, he had age and a known history of injuries. Hardy does not have those same issues.

I'm with you on Hardy, bro. We've had this conversation before. But to clarify, nothing about the Hardy signing would indicate that THAT particular signing would be anything but efficient (which is what Jones said the Cowboys would be this off-season). Hardy seems like he would be a very efficient signing if his asking price isn't in the absolute ridiculous range.

 

[jterrell]

Without stepping into someone else's pile of dog ****, I will vouch that stash's history on this subject (this off-season) has been to sign one high profile pass rusher. Hardy has been his target since day one. Not taking sides here, just saying I've had this conversation on the board with him several times.

That is a plan essentially everyone could get behind.
The issue is just that it is a 180 in direction from the team.

Big money, big risk on a guy who was convicted (later overturned) for domestic assault.

Also Hardy has had one outstanding season. ONE.
So you gotta weigh cost to see if he can repeat that performance.

But he is a really big, strong guy who would EASILY be a pass rush upgrade if he is eligible, healthy and in shape.

 

[Stash]

yes, it was because the investment was only 12 million.

that's precisely the point.

i am all for adding a ton of great players to his team. just tell me you aren't spending over 20m for any of them and I am all aboard that plan.

Why is it the point? Do you feel we would have to pay over $12 million per season for Hardy?

 

[Stash]

Cowboys actually did this twice during the Glory years of the 90s. We signed Charles Haley in 1992 and we won a championship. Haley was the Defensive Player of the Year in 1992. We did it again in 1995 with Dion Sanders and he absolutely was the difference in winning a Championship. The year before, we lost in the NFC Championship game to the 49ers, who had signed Dion and won that Super Bowl that year. The next year, we signed him away and we won the Championship. Our organization has had success signing big time FAs and it has resulted in Championships.

Totally agree. Thanks for providing those examples.

 

[jterrell]

Cowboys actually did this twice during the Glory years of the 90s. We signed Charles Haley in 1992 and we won a championship. Haley was the Defensive Player of the Year in 1992. We did it again in 1995 with Dion Sanders and he absolutely was the difference in winning a Championship. The year before, we lost in the NFC Championship game to the 49ers, who had signed Dion and won that Super Bowl that year. The next year, we signed him away and we won the Championship. Our organization has had success signing big time FAs and it has resulted in Championships.

I think what confused you here is that Deion was the DPoY in 1994 and we signed him after that for the 1995 season.
That was a big blow to the 49ers because only Deion could cover Irvin at all.
BUT AGAIN like with Haley, Deion wasn't much of a player in 1995 on that title team. He actually was on injured reserve. --played 9 games.
He didn't make the Pro Bowl much less All Pro.
Deion's best Cowboys years were 96-98 and we were only 4 games over .500 in that stretch.