Do we need a weekly running account of Dez Bryant

[shabazz]

Probably the most disrespected for no reason player on this team. Its beyond corny at this point

Ok. Simple comparison. Michael Irvin or Dez in their prime?

Not even a close choice. Dez is worthy of criticism based on his salary and results

 

[aikemirv]

I didn't watch the game, but the people here are calling it a BS PI call. Was it?

btw, Dez is not a great WR. Guy vanishes all the time. That said, he was far more effective with Romo at QB, but then again. Romo is a far better passer than Dak.

If you call pushing a guy out of bounds bogus then yes it was bogus. Happened 3-4 times and was only called 1 time so really nothing bogus about it!

 

[jwooten15]

I believe he's up there with Green and furthermore they are used in far different systems that are designed specifically to get them in advantageous situations against lesser corners. If Jones, Brown, OBJ, Green, Hopkins, etc. were playing for Dallas in Dez's spot they would be doing the same thing...leading the league in Go Routes ran each year and being utilized to stretch the field to open up running lanes and to clear out defenses for Beasley and Witten underneath.

YR

Dez runs go routes, slants, and fades not because that's what the system dictates, but because he hasn't gained the coaches trust in running anything else. That's the bottom line.

The top echelon guys are more cerebral in their approach to the WR position. Dez is pure physicality. Which is pretty effective, sure.

But when guys use their head AND have the physical element to go along with it (Julio Jones, Calvin Johnson, TO, etc), then you have a special, special talent.

Go ahead, disagree and claim a higher football IQ all you want, but Dez is nowhere close to any of the best WRs in the game.

Teams fear and respect Dez about as much as they do Mike Evans, Benjamin for the Panthers, and other guys who mostly try to bully their opponents

 

[CATCH17]

Really? OBJ is much quicker than Dez, and runs much better routes. He's faster and has much better hands. I can't stand the guy, but he's a superior player to Dez.

I'll agree with runs better routes, fast, but I don't agree with much better hands. They are equal in that area.

Again.. Dez has the beast factor over him. He can go up and make a play when the defense does everything right.

Odell can too just not at the level of Dez.

I wan't my WR to have the beast factor.

If I were playing corner i'd much rather have to deal with ODB then these monsters at WR.

 

[phildadon86]

Yeah.

He didn't always see Dez getting open. Mainly because he had to worry about blitzes or Olivier Vernon or JPP.

It's not hard to comprehend.

Well...it is for some.




YR

I love people on this board. It's like they forget the playoff game against the packers. Stephen a smith is right about a lot of cowboys fans. Ignorant and spoiled.

 

[CATCH17]

Dez runs go routes, slants, and fades not because that's what the system dictates, but because he hasn't gained the coaches trust in running anything else. That's the bottom line.

Why did Terrell Owens only do the same thing here too then? Didn't earn their trust?

Heck Miles Austin too when he was unconsciously good. Same stuff.

 

[Howboutdemcowboys31]

By no means am I bashing Dak I love him. But he cost Dez atleast 2 tds last night

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Dez runs go routes, slants, and fades not because that's what the system dictates, but because he hasn't gained the coaches trust in running anything else. That's the bottom line.

The top echelon guys are more cerebral in their approach to the WR position. Dez is pure physicality. Which is pretty effective, sure.

But when guys use their head AND have the physical element to go along with it (Julio Jones, Calvin Johnson, TO, etc), then you have a special, special talent.

Go ahead, disagree and claim a higher football IQ all you want, but Dez is nowhere close to any of the best WRs in the game.

Teams fear and respect Dez about as much as they do Mike Evans, Benjamin for the Panthers, and other guys who mostly try to bully their opponents

It's what the system dictates.

You know who ran the 2nd most Go Routes in the ENTIRE league last year?

Terrance Williams.

The same went for Terrell Owens and Miles Austin when they were here.

Apparently, we just keep getting receivers that we can't trust.



YR

 

[Proof]

Yeah.

He didn't always see Dez getting open. Mainly because he had to worry about blitzes or Olivier Vernon or JPP.

It's not hard to comprehend.

Well...it is for some.




YR

Lol I was going to read the entire thread and respond as necessary, but you’ve said all that needs to be said thus far. It’s simple.


Dez has Jenkins beat multiple times. He outmuscled him for a would be a TD (vintage Dez) and just didn’t get the second foot down.

Shook him in the end zone and Dak missed him terribly, wide open.

Dez also best Jenkins deep and laid out for another would be TD where Jenkins literally held/pulled his free arm.

Definitely impacted the game In a big way.

Lastly the receivers named are better than Dez and likely all time greats. There’s no criticism (and it’s certainly not a supporting argument) to be not as good as AB, Julio etc

 

[THEHEREAFTER]

Do we need a weekly account of Dez Bryant? Only when he has a sub par game so the haters who don't understand the game of football can troll and point this out. When he has a big game... Nah.. just pretend it didn't happen and look stupid.

 

[CATCH17]

Ok. Simple comparison. Michael Irvin or Dez in their prime?

Not even a close choice. Dez is worthy of criticism based on his salary and results

Dez has more ability than Michael and Michael will be the first to admit it.

 

[jwooten15]

Why did Terrell Owens only do the same thing here too then? Didn't earn their trust?

Heck Miles Austin too when he was unconsciously good. Same stuff.

So the Cowboys have a systemic plan to under-utilize WRs? I don't understand the logic there.

TO was unbelievably effective and was a really good route runner, ON TOP of being very physical.

 

[Idgit]

I don't consider Dez 'elite,' but he's pretty dang close.

And I don't care what the stat line said last night, he won his share of those matchups. Dak missed badly on the slant, and also missed Jenkins falling down on a play (though from the angle I saw, I don't know what was actually going on with Dak at the time. I'll take that from Dez with all the other weapons we've got on offense. We know the league's best DBs can take him out of games already.

I do think Dez is going to have a very good year when it's all said and done.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

He's overrated by our fan base. But, I like the guy so glad he's here.

 

[CATCH17]

It's what the system dictates.

You know who ran the 2nd most Go Routes in the ENTIRE league last year?

Terrance Williams.

The same went for Terrell Owens and Miles Austin when they were here.

Apparently, we just keep getting receivers that we can't trust.



YR

Yep..

Run off the corners and safeties with outside WR's.

Let Witten, Beasley, and the backs have 1 on 1's on the underneath coverage.

If they come up and try to stop the short stuff that means we have 1 on 1 on the outside and we bomb it just like we did to Butler last night.

 

[CyberB0b]

I blame his route running. Not very creative.

This is the issue.

 

[CATCH17]

So the Cowboys have a systemic plan to under-utilize WRs? I don't understand the logic there.

TO was unbelievably effective and was a really good route runner, ON TOP of being very physical.

Whats your definition of effective?

Are you saying Dez isn't effective? He scores Touchdowns at an elite level.

He was on pace to be 2nd all time in TD's until he started getting dinged up.

He's already tied for 46th all time in receiving TD's and he's only 28. So I would say he's great at hitting paydirt.

 

[The Natural]

Ok. Simple comparison. Michael Irvin or Dez in their prime?

Not even a close choice. Dez is worthy of criticism based on his salary and results

I dont understand where Michael Irvin came from? The last 5 years Dez has been responsible for 40% of virtually all TD passes caught by receivers on this team. Idk there has to be more to this story of the Dez criticism besides some clowns on the internet whining about money that they arent paying out.

 

[CATCH17]

This is the issue.

Yeah Julio Jones isn't running Jerry Rice routes either.

You don't have these big WR's out there to run great routes. You have them out there to take the ball down at it's highest point.

 

[jwooten15]

Whats your definition of effective?

Are you saying Dez isn't effective? He scores Touchdowns at an elite level.

He was on pace to be 2nd all time in TD's until he started getting dinged up.

He's already tied for 46th all time in receiving TD's and he's only 28. So I would say he's great at hitting paydirt.

Yeah, I didn't say that as to mean that Dez isn't effective.

He definitely is. But I feel he's a little overrated and that we try to force him the ball too often - especially when we have 4-5 other lethal weapons on offense.