Do you think the game has passed by our Coordinators?

[T-RO]

he specifically didnt want Floyd,who knows what other advice he gave,we have neither drafted DTs high or got top tier DTs in FA since he is here,he is not a freaking magician thats for sure.

You are completely out of your mind if you think Rod is the driver in not drafting more talent for his side of the ball.

The Jaylon, Gregory draft picks have Jerry's M.O. all over them. Jones tries to swing for the fences, find some top ten talent that has slid down the draft because of health/drugs/law issues.

If we'd had two contributors with those draft picks instead of guys suspended or rehabbing I think it's easy to see how we could have gotten two, three more key plays and would have beaten the Packers.

 

[CATCH17]

Road to our SB

Rodgers
Ryan
Brady

And there lies our problem Catch. You can't dodge elite QBs on the playoffs.

It's just my theory... Who's to say im right .

I think we have a good recipe to keep a good QB on the sideline but if we catch an elite QB when they are hot and the officials want to referee our offense under a microscope then we'll be in trouble.


It was a perfect storm of things that went against us but our defense did us no favors either.

We gotta play tighter coverage and get pressure.

 

[reddyuta]

You are completely out of your mind if you think Rod is the driver in not drafting more talent for his side of the ball.

The Jaylon, Gregory draft picks have Jerry's M.O. all over them. Jones tries to swing for the fences, find some top ten talent that has slid down the draft because of health/drugs/law issues.

If we'd had two contributors with those draft picks instead of guys suspended or rehabbing I think it's easy to see how we could have gotten two, three more key plays and would have beaten the Packers.

this i agree with but the fact remains that we have no elite talent at Dt since he was here.If he wants to just rush 4 and play coverage then you better have atleast one great Dt but we have run nothing but Jags and low end players at DT.basically he cant run his own defense well and some of it his own fault.

 

[bark]

The best thing Rod ever did for the Cowboys was he replaced Robert the rino Ryan.
That in and of itself requires a standing O.
Plus he gives great nicknames @Risen Star .
Seriously though, whenever rod has fielded great defensive units they showcased playmakers at all three levels that could turn the ball over.
Dallas is void of playmakers on any level.
Talent infusion needed on defense

 

[reddyuta]

just to bring some facts to the table.these are the DTs who went immediately after Jaylon smith and every one of them would have probably made a huge difference in the GB game -Chris Jones,Jarran Reid,Ashawn robinson.,

 

[gmoney112]

It was more than a decade ago when Marinelli was part of that great Bucs defense. Get real! What has he done since he left Tampa? We all saw the train wreck the defense was under old man Kiffin who looked like a corpse slumped in the coaches box while he was here. Wade was a good DC but Jerry was stupid enough to hire him as a head coach.

You're right, it was more than a decade since the Tampa defense. What has he done you ask? Well, for starters, he was the DC and Assistant HC in Chicago during one of the funnest defenses I've watched in in the last 5 years.

In 2010 his first year as Defensive Coordinator for the Chicago Bears they finished

#5 in yards/drive
#3 in pts/drive
#3 in TO's/drive
#17 sacks

Conference Championship

2011 Lockout year. Cutler missed last 6 games of the season, Forte is injured. One of the worst offenses in the league after that

#8 yds/drive
#7 pts/drive
#9 TO's/drive
#19 in sacks BUT
#1 in defensive hurries and it wasn't even close. They had 72, next team had 57


2012

#5 in yards/drive
#1 in points/drive
#1 in TO's
#19 in sacks
#3 in defensive hurries




It's okay man.

That defense was incredible to watch. Pressure, turnovers, tacklers. What was the difference? Talent.

 

[Doomsday101]

You're right, it was more than a decade since the Tampa defense. What has he done you ask? Well, for starters, he was the DC and Assistant HC in Chicago during one of the funnest defenses I've watched in in the last 5 years.

In 2010 his first year as Defensive Coordinator for the Chicago Bears they finished

#5 in yards/drive
#3 in pts/drive
#3 in TO's/drive
#17 sacks

Conference Championship

2011 Lockout year. Cutler missed last 6 games of the season, Forte is injured. One of the worst offenses in the league after that

#8 yds/drive
#7 pts/drive
#9 TO's/drive
#19 in sacks BUT
#1 in defensive hurries and it wasn't even close. They had 72, next team had 57


2012

#5 in yards/drive
#1 in points/drive
#1 in TO's
#19 in sacks
#3 in defensive hurries




It's okay man.

That defense was incredible to watch. Pressure, turnovers, tacklers. What was the difference? Talent.

I assume people forget what they said at the start of the year how Dallas offense would have to score 38 points a game to have a chance to win. Defense had issues but I think Rod had this defense playing above their individual ability. There was no top pass rusher on this team and any hope of Gregory becoming that guy went out the window with his 2 suspensions. a UDFA in Irving showed promise of being a player but still no true big name player along the DL. This defense gave up 19 points a game that was a lot better than what anyone was predicting.

 

[KJJ]

You're right, it was more than a decade since the Tampa defense. What has he done you ask? Well, for starters, he was the DC and Assistant HC in Chicago during one of the funnest defenses I've watched in in the last 5 years.

In 2010 his first year as Defensive Coordinator for the Chicago Bears they finished

#5 in yards/drive
#3 in pts/drive
#3 in TO's/drive
#17 sacks

Conference Championship

2011 Lockout year. Cutler missed last 6 games of the season, Forte is injured. One of the worst offenses in the league after that

#8 yds/drive
#7 pts/drive
#9 TO's/drive
#19 in sacks BUT
#1 in defensive hurries and it wasn't even close. They had 72, next team had 57


2012

#5 in yards/drive
#1 in points/drive
#1 in TO's
#19 in sacks
#3 in defensive hurries




It's okay man.

That defense was incredible to watch. Pressure, turnovers, tacklers. What was the difference? Talent.

The Cowboys are his 3rd team since 06. What has he done with our defense since he's been here? Our defense has been toasted by Aaron Rodgers twice in the playoffs since he's been here. We have the same problems under him that we've had with the previous DC's. He's been part of the drafting and free agent process that's help us field a bunch of JAGS who can't rush the passer, tackle or cover. There's a reason he's been bouncing around from team to team the past 10 years. If he's back next season that will be 4 seasons in Dallas which was longer than his coordinator stops in Detroit and Chicago.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

We went 13-3 and the opinions are that Garrett sucks, our coordinators suck and Jerry sucks. When you go 13-3, something is going right. And the reality is that more things are going right than going wrong when you go 13-3. So perhaps Garrett is better than we think or the coordinators are better than we think or Jerry is better at getting talent than we think.

Personally, I think the GM position is the most overrated position in the league. It's not unimportant as you can have a GM that makes bad decisions in free agency and trading away picks. But, this is a league that is about the Head Coach and his ability to create an environment that fosters and develops talent.

It's great to have schemes and innovative X's and O's, but if it comes at the expense of developing talent you'll be worse off every time. Matt Petricia's defense isn't overly complex and Rob Ryan can throw some of the most exotic blitz packages out there. But, I can tell you who I would want as a D-Coordinator.

I think Garrett's strength is his ability to create that environment. I question his X's and O's and playcalling from time to time. But, I'll take the development of talent over superior X's and O's and inferior development skills.

What has happened to the defense is multifold.

1. We switched from a 3-4 with a lot of press-man coverage to a 4-3 that prefers zone coverage.

2. Players like Ware and Ratliff didn't fulfill their last contracts.

3. Bruce Carter's play fell off the earth after a promising 2012 seaso

4. Matt Johnson was a bust (he was a 4th round pick)

5. JJ Wilcox has only become a serviceable backup and special teams player

6. Crawford got injured and hasn't lived up to his contract.

7. Randy Gregory hasn't worked out.

8. Claiborne has not played to his 6th overall pick status.

9. Lawrence has been injured.


I can't blame Marinelli for much of those. Probably Wilcox's unfulfilled potential is more of Marinelli's to blame.

Where we can make up for it is if Jaylon Smith works out at the MIKE. And if we can either get Heath or Kavon Frazier to play better than Church. And if Anthony Brown works out, we can now better focus on a pass rush to resolve our defensive woes.





YR

 

[9of11]

I always thought so. I like pounding the crap out of the other team with our running game but if we could pick up any semblance of Atlanta's passing attack, we'd be unstoppable.

 

[bayeslife]

As I've always said, I much prefer the west coast offense and think Elliot would be an unstoppable machine.

 

[Tommy]

I've said for years that im ok with our defense as long as we stay away from truly elite QBs and then I worry.

Just like every other defense in the NFL.

 

[yimyammer]

Our coordinators aren't bad, that being said, there are a lot of young coordinators out there that have been doing a great job as of late. Do you think the game is starting to pass them by. They were a combined 21-63 as head coaches. Not calling for anyone to get fired, just interested in your thoughts.

since you're a coach, I'd be more interested in your thoughts. I'm not qualified to say.

 

[Ranching]

since you're a coach, I'd be more interested in your thoughts. I'm not qualified to say.

I feel that Linehan did a good job, my biggest issue with him was going away from the run on second or third and short as much as he did late in the season and in the playoffs. I would like to see more play action, draw plays and screen passes. Overall good job.
Defensively, I don't see us playing with an attitude. Bend don't break defense don't strike fear in anybody. Now, we may not have the personnel to play smash mouth defense. That's why I'm not ready to dismiss Rod, we need to add a couple of studs to our defense and then see. He did well with what he had, he does need send more than 3 against top QBs.

 

[LocimusPrime]

I feel that Linehan did a good job, my biggest issue with him was going away from the run on second or third and short as much as he did late in the season and in the playoffs. I would like to see more play action, draw plays and screen passes. Overall good job.
Defensively, I don't see us playing with an attitude. Bend don't break defense don't strike fear in anybody. Now, we may not have the personnel to play smash mouth defense. That's why I'm not ready to dismiss Rod, we need to add a couple of studs to our defense and then see. He did well with what he had, he does need send more than 3 against top QBs.

Good points coach

 

[Ranching]

Good points coach

 

[yimyammer]

I feel that Linehan did a good job, my biggest issue with him was going away from the run on second or third and short as much as he did late in the season and in the playoffs. I would like to see more play action, draw plays and screen passes. Overall good job.
Defensively, I don't see us playing with an attitude. Bend don't break defense don't strike fear in anybody. Now, we may not have the personnel to play smash mouth defense. That's why I'm not ready to dismiss Rod, we need to add a couple of studs to our defense and then see. He did well with what he had, he does need send more than 3 against top QBs.

Man, I'd love to have a smash mouth defense. Thats one of the many things I loved about those teams of the 90's.

One thing that made my head explode in the playoff game is pulling Zeke off the field in situations where one would think the threat of him getting the ball would have given most plays a better chance of success, even on plays when the ball was never going to Zeke. I though they were trying to emulate the 90's offense and if so, I dont recall Emmitt ever standing on the sidelines in key situations.

Am I crazy to think this way?

 

[Ranching]

We went 13-3 and the opinions are that Garrett sucks, our coordinators suck and Jerry sucks. When you go 13-3, something is going right. And the reality is that more things are going right than going wrong when you go 13-3. So perhaps Garrett is better than we think or the coordinators are better than we think or Jerry is better at getting talent than we think.

Personally, I think the GM position is the most overrated position in the league. It's not unimportant as you can have a GM that makes bad decisions in free agency and trading away picks. But, this is a league that is about the Head Coach and his ability to create an environment that fosters and develops talent.

It's great to have schemes and innovative X's and O's, but if it comes at the expense of developing talent you'll be worse off every time. Matt Petricia's defense isn't overly complex and Rob Ryan can throw some of the most exotic blitz packages out there. But, I can tell you who I would want as a D-Coordinator.

I think Garrett's strength is his ability to create that environment. I question his X's and O's and playcalling from time to time. But, I'll take the development of talent over superior X's and O's and inferior development skills.

What has happened to the defense is multifold.

1. We switched from a 3-4 with a lot of press-man coverage to a 4-3 that prefers zone coverage.

2. Players like Ware and Ratliff didn't fulfill their last contracts.

3. Bruce Carter's play fell off the earth after a promising 2012 seaso

4. Matt Johnson was a bust (he was a 4th round pick)

5. JJ Wilcox has only become a serviceable backup and special teams player

6. Crawford got injured and hasn't lived up to his contract.

7. Randy Gregory hasn't worked out.

8. Claiborne has not played to his 6th overall pick status.

9. Lawrence has been injured.


I can't blame Marinelli for much of those. Probably Wilcox's unfulfilled potential is more of Marinelli's to blame.

Where we can make up for it is if Jaylon Smith works out at the MIKE. And if we can either get Heath or Kavon Frazier to play better than Church. And if Anthony Brown works out, we can now better focus on a pass rush to resolve our defensive woes.





YR

Good post.

 

[Ranching]

Man, I'd love to have a smash mouth defense. Thats one of the many things I loved about those teams of the 90's.

One thing that made my head explode in the playoff game is pulling Zeke off the field in situations where one would think the threat of him getting the ball would have given most plays a better chance of success, even on plays when the ball was never going to Zeke. I though they were trying to emulate the 90's offense and if so, I dont recall Emmitt ever standing on the sidelines in key situations.

Am I crazy to think this way?

We all yearn for those teams from the nineties. Lol

 

[waving monkey]

Our coordinators aren't bad, that being said, there are a lot of young coordinators out there that have been doing a great job as of late. Do you think the game is starting to pass them by. They were a combined 21-63 as head coaches. Not calling for anyone to get fired, just interested in your thoughts.

I recall at the beginning of training camp ,this year everybody saying we didn't have a chance because there was no talent on the
defensive side of the ball. I read loads of 8/8 predictions because of this lack of talent. Marinelli coached em up and we finished about
middle of the pack. Coaching is a teaching skill but you asked has the game passed him by?