Do you think we can trade for Crabtree?

[Big Dakota]

How much was it?

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[ETex]

I think some people are going a little bit overboard with the criticism here. Crabtree is not the first football player to sit out and try to get more money, and he won't be the last. Emmitt Smith missed two games in 1993 because he wanted more money and was willing to miss even more if necessary. Does that mean he had no heart and didn't care about winning?

Personally, I think his strategy is a poor one and he is going to lose money in the long run. But I also think that once he finally does sign somewhere, wherever it may be, he will be a solid contributor at his position.

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[Longboysfan]

No...we won't be trading for him. We still have to give Ware his $$ and Jerry will not want to give Crabtree the money he wants after that.

Unless they can work it out where we do not give a number 1 and the contract is acceptable.

 

[dogberry]

Does anyone have where we rated him?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't know if we need him or not but I will say that I think he's the kind of player that you take if you have the chance to get him regardless of need. He, IMO, has a chance to be one of those WRs who change the game when they step on the field. The kind that DCs game plan against.

I very seriously doubt that we have a chance to get him unless we trade mulitple 1st rd picks to get him but if we could trade a single first for him, I would definately do it. If he goes back into the draft again, he's still going to be the top rated WR in the class and he will still be taken high IMO. Probably little chance that he would ever drop down far enough for us to get him.

If the opportunity is there, I would trade for him. I doubt we could ever see a player as good as he is at where we would be picking.

JMO.

 

[rkell87]

We won't go for Crabtree. We already have an Ogletree. One tree is enough. All weak jokes aside. Crabtree is not fast. Everybody in here seems to want a burner on the outside to compliment our slower Crayton and Williams.

I want to see Ogletree emerge anyways. Besides, Crabtree will cost us draft picks. We need to address O-line, S, and WR in early rounds next year.

if you think we need to adress a WR early whats the difference if we give a 2nd for him? we would get a first round talent for a second round pick.

lets face it we arent getting dez unless we 1.tank the season 2.dont adress the OL in the first and 3. prolly have to give a lot to move up and take him.

not saying i want him here but i dont expect even first round talent to produce even in thier first 2 years so all i see is a first rounder for a second pick that alot of people want to use on a WR anyway. upside>downside

plus if next year is uncapped who cares what he gets paid? aint my money. and jerry will make what he is asking in beer sales alone this year. and if he doesn't he will when someone buys the naming right to the stadium next year...which will happen cause somebody will want thier name on the stadium that will house the superbowl.

 

[YosemiteSam]

And you know this because..........?

It's a well known fact. Google is your friend.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I think some people are going a little bit overboard with the criticism here. Crabtree is not the first football player to sit out and try to get more money, and he won't be the last. Emmitt Smith missed two games in 1993 because he wanted more money and was willing to miss even more if necessary. Does that mean he had no heart and didn't care about winning?

Personally, I think his strategy is a poor one and he is going to lose money in the long run. But I also think that once he finally does sign somewhere, wherever it may be, he will be a solid contributor at his position.

Emmitt was a proven leading NFL rusher and Superbowl winning running back. Not to mention he did that before free agency existed. He had no choice but to hold out to get more money. It wasn't like he could leverage some other team's offer at the time.

Crabtree has only proven that he is stupid.

 

[BHendri5]

Crabtree, is doing the best thing for himself. I have no problem with him sitting out. If he were to sign now, he would not help the 9ers, which would cause the fans to be on him even more, calling him a bust. He is too far behind to help any team.

I still say that any smart GM, would compare his numbers coming out of college with any of the guys coming out this season and if his production tops theirs, he will still get paid.

Anyone that thinks this kid will not have a very good career once he gets on the field is assinine.
I hope that we will get a chance to get him

 

[YosemiteSam]

Crabtree, is doing the best thing for himself. I have no problem with him sitting out. If he were to sign now, he would not help the 9ers, which would cause the fans to be on him even more, calling him a bust. He is too far behind to help any team.

I still say that any smart GM, would compare his numbers coming out of college with any of the guys coming out this season and if his production tops theirs, he will still get paid.

Anyone that thinks this kid will not have a very good career once he gets on the field is assinine.
I hope that we will get a chance to get him

College != NFL

 

[JonJon]

Lets see...top 5 talent for a second round pick...seems like an easy decision to me.

 

[Rogah]

#1: We probably could make a move for him (Although not till March at this point) but why bother? Who wants to give up a pick, and then loads of cash, to a guy whose already proven he doesn't care about football and he's a money hungry baby?

As others have pointed out, it depends on what it would cost. He may very well be willing to take less money to play in Dallas than he would from SF.

#2: Why give up a pick to get him from the niners in March when you can wait another month and pick him up in the 2nd round in the draft. That shows you how stupid this kid is. He's holding out this whole season, for more money, and will go back in the draft next year where he again won't be the first WR taken and there is no chance he's taken in the top 10, and likely falls out of the first round. So do you think he's getting the money he's asking for now next year? No. He'll be getting even less that what has been offered to him already. Smart planning kid. Real smart planning.

He won't last unil the 2nd round. I think he'll go mid-1st round but even if he slips out of the top 20, there's no way he gets past the Jets.

#3: Even if we could get him this year, which you can't since he can't be traded till March, he'd be of absolutely no use to us this year. He's not been in any kind of camps or meetings, or anything so he doesn't know a lick about the offense. He isn't in game shape. I am sure he's been working out and all but he isn't in game shape. He'd be absolutely useless to us till next year anyway. Where, again, if we wanted him that bad you can wait and draft him in the actual draft. Since he'll be there again.

Like I said above, it depends on the deal. You say he will be available in the draft, but it would probably take a 1st round selection to get him. Why do that if SF is willing to trade his rights for a 2nd rounder just to cut their losses? Not to mention the fact that they may very well get the 1st rounder they would want from some other team (again, the Jets come to mind).

 

[Rogah]

I don't know if we need him or not but I will say that I think he's the kind of player that you take if you have the chance to get him regardless of need. He, IMO, has a chance to be one of those WRs who change the game when they step on the field. The kind that DCs game plan against.

I very seriously doubt that we have a chance to get him unless we trade mulitple 1st rd picks to get him but if we could trade a single first for him, I would definately do it. If he goes back into the draft again, he's still going to be the top rated WR in the class and he will still be taken high IMO. Probably little chance that he would ever drop down far enough for us to get him.

If the opportunity is there, I would trade for him. I doubt we could ever see a player as good as he is at where we would be picking.

JMO.

I agree with this - just on the condition that we were allowed to talk to him and negotiate a deal prior to the trade (which the 49ers can allow).

 

[Rogah]

Emmitt was a proven leading NFL rusher and Superbowl winning running back. Not to mention he did that before free agency existed. He had no choice but to hold out to get more money. It wasn't like he could leverage some other team's offer at the time.

Crabtree has only proven that he is stupid.

Well, Crabtree cannot leverage any other team's offer either. As far as rookies are concerned, there is no free agency for at least 4 years (and I think it is 5 years for Crabtree given where he was drafted). Both he and Emmitt had their rights owned exclusively by one team and both were in a situation where their only leverage would be to hold out.

Yes, Emmitt was a champion at the time and Crabtree has done absolutely nothing. I am just saying that Crabtree is not the first (or the last) player to hold out for money.

 

[iceberg]

In Crabtree's defense, thats the fans perspective. Look at it if you were him. EVERYONE else is getting a ton of money..if he has a big injury, he probably won't get paid very well in his 2nd contract. You do have to grab as much money as you can. But, he should not get paid more than the people that were drafted in front of him. Thats how the draft works, the lower you go in the first round, the less you get paid..plain and simple. He's trying to defy that logic.

In a fans perspective, everyone thinks he is greedy, just play football. He would still be making a ton more than MOST of the general population..

as is every other part of the game.

if he wanted to play, he'd be playing. he's not, so i know enough about him to know i don't want the drama he'll bring with him.

 

[R8erFan4Ever]

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Contract Information for Darrius Heyward-Bey

7/30/2009: Signed a five-year, $38.250 million contract. The deal includes $23.5 million guaranteed. Another $15.75 million is available through incentives. 2009-2013: Under Contract, 2014: Free Agent

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I wish we drafted Crabtree like we were supposed to, we would have paid him and none of this would have happened. Just blame Al Davis.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Lets see...top 5 talent for a second round pick...seems like an easy decision to me.

Make that top 10 talent.

 

[Shadowy329]

Sorry I wouldn't take him regardless he proved he's not a football guy and its all about the pay day he can sit on someone elses roster and rot I wouldn't touch him

Dallas has worked to change it's attitude in the locker room and bringing a guy with his attitude just torpedo's all that work

(Sorry if thats been said earlier in the thread I just don't have the time for 7 pages of reading)

 

[TellerMorrow34]

...and offer him less than said picks value and then tell him if he doesn't like it, sit out and re-enter the draft next year!

That would crack me up.

For those that say he must not care about Football

John Elway was drafted by the Baltimore Colts, he said he would refuse to play for the Colts so they ended up trading him to the Denver Broncos.

We really do not know whats keeping the kid out.

Actually it's been made clear whats keeping him out. He wants more money than a guy picked 2 or 3 slots ahead of him because he thinks he should be paid for where he should have been drafted instead of where he was.

If that's the case then the guy drafted 27th should ask for #5 money cause that's really where he should have been drafted the other teams just screwed up.

Yes we do. Darrius Heyward-Bey's contract.

This is it exactly.

I think some people are going a little bit overboard with the criticism here. Crabtree is not the first football player to sit out and try to get more money, and he won't be the last. Emmitt Smith missed two games in 1993 because he wanted more money and was willing to miss even more if necessary. Does that mean he had no heart and didn't care about winning?

Personally, I think his strategy is a poor one and he is going to lose money in the long run. But I also think that once he finally does sign somewhere, wherever it may be, he will be a solid contributor at his position.

Eh...poor comparision really. Emmitt had already proven himself. He'd won back to back rushing titles. He'd helped Dallas win a Superbowl. At that point the guy had earned the right to ask for more money.

Crabtree hasn't played a down. Hasn't caught a pass. Hasn't gained a yard. Hasn't even attended one meeting and he wants more money than where he was drafted at because he thinks he should be paid on the basis of where he should have been drafted as opposed to where he was drafted. That is a precident that thankfully the Niners have not been stupid enough to allow to be set.

 

[dbair1967]

Lets see...top 5 talent for a second round pick...seems like an easy decision to me.

Except that he isnt a top 5 talent, nor does he have top 5 heart...

he's headed to the Mike Williams school of bustology

the guys a knucklehead...who says SF would even trade him for that?