Does anybody have faith in this coaching staff?

[iceberg]

I have been waiting for 12 years for a playoff win... and a 13-3 team with home field should win a playoff game!!! How is my Patience?

sucks.

 

[silverbear]

I have been waiting for 12 years for a playoff win... and a 13-3 team with home field should win a playoff game!!! How is my Patience?

I dunno-- would you fire the entire coaching staff, except for Jason Garrett, if the Cowboys don't win the Super Bowl this year??

 

[Hostile]

I like this coaching staff. I suppose if I had to say who I have the least amount of faith in it would be Read because of the coverage teams. He's not going anywhere this year, so buckle up.

I read some real good things about Herring the LBs coach. Everywhere he has been the LB corps got markedly better.

I was openly not excited to bring back Dave Campo, but I won't sit here and tell you that he isn't a top notch DBs coach. There will be improvement in the secondary and it won't simply be because of talent upgrades.

Bringing back Hudson Houck excited me. Have you seen the run blocking? Much better than in 2005 through 2007 already. I wanted Mike Solari, but was fine with Houck.

Some miss Parcells and don't like Bum's boy. I don't miss Parcells and I do like Wade. Call me crazy but I will take 13-3 and a loss in the playoffs over all 4 years Parcells was here. Now I'm going to get reminded that Parcells built the team. He also turned his back on them and walked away to South Florida.

Not a doubt in my mind this team will improve in 2008 and will win when it counts. I like the 2008 personnel better and I like the 2008 coaching staff better. I like the comments by the players about the coaching staff and the goals.

There are no excuses being made by this team. From the top on down.

How's that for fan swagger LadieWolve?

 

[JPTEXAS]

Like I said to Cowboyrock....you need to learn some fan "SWAGGER":starspin

Why don't you define SWAGGER? Is it," hey we went 13-3 and we had a first round bye which is a playoff win and lost in the second round"? BS .I have been a cowboy fan since it was in the mid 70's don't tell me I need swagger. The cowboy nation has been waiting along time since Jerry's screw up(firing Jimmy). We ALL have paid for it...12 years of waiting.

We lost to the Giants for the following reasons.
1. The Defense failed us(right before halftime), then played great
2. The special teams wasn't special and put the defense in a hole the whole second half.
3. bad game plan...+No passsing game. Since TO was hurt..it sucked. Jerry has know for over a year they need to draft or bring in a good WR to back up TO or Glenn if one got hurt....But NO. What happens this year if TO goes down?

 

[DallasEast]

The cowboy nation has been waiting along time since Jerry's screw up(firing Jimmy).

You act as if Johnson was totally innocent of being let go. Bull. Both Jones and he share 50% of the blame for breaking up the best partnership in the NFL.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

First..I hate a 3-4...Need to go back to 4-3. The facts are little misleading.
A game is not won by sacks alone.

No they are not. But statistics show a correlation between sacks and wins and generaly the more sacks a team has, the more wins they will record.

it is not fair for Zimmer's numbers in 2006..he was forced to convert to a 3-4..Lets look at Zimmers numbers the last year he was able to run his 4-3(bills first year) and this is WITHOUT WARE,SPENCER,SPEARS.
SACKS ,Points Defense gave up per game
Wade 46, 28.4
Zimmer 33, 18.3

People can have there sacks..I rather have the 10pts a game less.

1. Zimmer had 5 years of his coveted 4-3 and averaged an anemic 28 sacks a season. He then went to Atlanta, a good pass rush team before he came in and led them to 25 sacks last season.

2. You're math is wrong. Dallas didn't give up 28.4 points a game last year. Instead, they gave up 325 points last season, which is 20.3 points a game. We actually ran the 4-3 in 2004 (Bill's second year) and gave up MORE points that season....a total of 405 points that season, which is 25.3 points a game.

3. In the 5 years we utilized Zimmer's 4-3 (2000-2004), the defense gave up an average of 21.2 points a game. Still higher than what Dallas gave up per game last season.

So yeah, I would rather take Wade getting the QB much more often and giving up 5 points LESS a game than going back to Zimmer and his ol' 4-3.

We would be better(in my opinion) going back to a 4-3. Ellis would be back home on DE and not a OLB thats rushes and has to do coverage(he has done better that I thought he would).

Ellis never had more than 9.5 sacks in a season and that was including the 4-3. In one season under Wade, where he really only played 10 games (he officially missed 3 games, but barely played in 3 of the games he was active), he had 12.5 sacks...a career high..all that despite being past his prime and coming off an injury.

I don't think the 3-4 is the problem. Nor do I think Wade is the problem. We tried the 4-3 and it didn't work because we couldn't get pressure on the QB and EVERY single year under Zimmer's coveted 4-3, the defense folded badly in the second half of the season.

In fact, I think one of the problems we've had is Zimmer was so god awful that we kept reloading in the first round thinking that we were one player away on defense from becoming dominant. In the meantime, the offense became dominant without having to draft in the first round each year. After awhile, a good D-Coordinator/coach shouldn't rely on needing a first round pick each year.

 

[iceberg]

Why don't you define SWAGGER? Is it," hey we went 13-3 and we had a first round bye which is a playoff win and lost in the second round"? BS .I have been a cowboy fan since it was in the mid 70's don't tell me I need swagger. The cowboy nation has been waiting along time since Jerry's screw up(firing Jimmy). We ALL have paid for it...12 years of waiting.

We lost to the Giants for the following reasons.
1. The Defense failed us(right before halftime), then played great
2. The special teams wasn't special and put the defense in a hole the whole second half.
3. bad game plan...+No passsing game. Since TO was hurt..it sucked. Jerry has know for over a year they need to draft or bring in a good WR to back up TO or Glenn if one got hurt....But NO. What happens this year if TO goes down?

so you correct those reasons and play the season over and you still lose. you gonna fine more "concrete" reasons for the loss?

good teams lose. it happens. we've got a great team now and yes, we all have great expectations.

what happens if TO goes down? this a trick question? he goes down.

last year what would have happened if he went down?

same thing. were you *****ing last year?

 

[Brandon]

I'm thinking Rex Ryan should be our next coach, just so we can actually get a killer 3-4 defense. I hate the vanilla Parcells defense Wade runs. No pre-snap movement, just stand there and wait for the snap.

 

[iceberg]

You act as if Johnson was totally innocent of being let go. Bull. Both Jones and he share 50% of the blame for breaking up the best partnership in the NFL.

you're talking to someone who wants the understudy to be better than the star every time so they can be safe and secure.

the game isn't built around the stupidity this person is dishing out. i've stopped listening.

 

[JPTEXAS]

I dunno-- would you fire the entire coaching staff, except for Jason Garrett, if the Cowboys don't win the Super Bowl this year??

It depends on why we lost. Injurys, mistakes, game plan, penalties,etc I would have fired READ after the opening Kickoff of the Texans game.

 

[DallasEast]

you're talking to someone who wants the understudy to be better than the star every time so they can be safe and secure.

the game isn't built around the stupidity this person is dishing out. i've stopped listening.

This is something else I found interesting:

Why don't you define SWAGGER? Is it," hey we went 13-3 and we had a first round bye which is a playoff win and lost in the second round"? BS .

Well, nothing like that has happened in recent memory. It must be unprecedented.

I wonder what happened to the 14-2 Chargers in '06..?

 

[JPTEXAS]

No they are not. But statistics show a correlation between sacks and wins and generaly the more sacks a team has, the more wins they will record.



1. Zimmer had 5 years of his coveted 4-3 and averaged an anemic 28 sacks a season. He then went to Atlanta, a good pass rush team before he came in and led them to 25 sacks last season.

2. You're math is wrong. Dallas didn't give up 28.4 points a game last year. Instead, they gave up 325 points last season, which is 20.3 points a game. We actually ran the 4-3 in 2004 (Bill's second year) and gave up MORE points that season....a total of 405 points that season, which is 25.3 points a game.

3. In the 5 years we utilized Zimmer's 4-3 (2000-2004), the defense gave up an average of 21.2 points a game. Still higher than what Dallas gave up per game last season.

So yeah, I would rather take Wade getting the QB much more often and giving up 5 points LESS a game than going back to Zimmer and his ol' 4-3.




Ellis never had more than 9.5 sacks in a season and that was including the 4-3. In one season under Wade, where he really only played 10 games (he officially missed 3 games, but barely played in 3 of the games he was active), he had 12.5 sacks...a career high..all that despite being past his prime and coming off an injury.

I don't think the 3-4 is the problem. Nor do I think Wade is the problem. We tried the 4-3 and it didn't work because we couldn't get pressure on the QB and EVERY single year under Zimmer's coveted 4-3, the defense folded badly in the second half of the season.

In fact, I think one of the problems we've had is Zimmer was so god awful that we kept reloading in the first round thinking that we were one player away on defense from becoming dominant. In the meantime, the offense became dominant without having to draft in the first round each year. After awhile, a good D-Coordinator/coach shouldn't rely on needing a first round pick each year.

I guess NFL.com stats are wrong. Thats what they say..so take a look.You don't think that the addition of WARE and other players would make more sacks than what Zimmer had to work with? If Zimmer had the talent that is on this defense now we would be great. Yes the defense folded..why Because we didn't have a offense and they were on the field most of the game.

 

[JPTEXAS]

This is something else I found interesting:
Well, nothing like that has happened in recent memory. It must be unprecedented.

I wonder what happened to the 14-2 Chargers in '06..?

Good example..what did they do?..Fire a coach that couldn't win in the playoffs and went to the AFC title game the next year. They almost beat new England and that is with a beat up QB and no RB LT.

 

[DallasEast]

Good example..what did they do?..Fire a coach that couldn't win in the playoffs and went to the AFC title game the next year. They almost beat new England and that is with a beat up QB and no RB LT.

Oh, do you somehow believe that Norv Turner built that team from the ground up to GET to the AFC Championship Game the very next year?

Please.

Marty Schotteheimer (sp?) isn't a great coach, but you don't fire a 14-2 head coach for personality conflicts with the front office.

Do you remember the Chargers slow start under Norv last season? They got hot at the right time, just like the Giants. You want to place that all on Norv, be my guest. I'd prefer the late night Twilight Zone marathon, but yours may end up being more interesting.

 

[iceberg]

Good example..what did they do?..Fire a coach that couldn't win in the playoffs and went to the AFC title game the next year. They almost beat new England and that is with a beat up QB and no RB LT.

fire a coach that can't win.

***** about what you can't change.

stop me when you're feeling stupid enough.

 

[Idgit]

Should I read this whole thread? Or is it going to just be butt-hurt whining from entitled Cowboys fans unhappy with the commitment level or decision making of the organization? Anybody with any sense around to help a brother out?

 

[Bluefin]

You don't think that the addition of WARE and other players would make more sacks than what Zimmer had to work with?

No.

Mike Zimmer swears on stopping the run at all costs just like Bill Parcells.

Greg Ellis was maligned every year under under each of them for not producing sacks.

What happened upon Wade Phillips' arrival?

El broke out with his first double digit sack total season despite coming off a ruptured achilles and not playing a full schedule.

If Zimmer had the talent that is on this defense now we would be great.

No.

The mighty Zim is the little engine that can't.

 

[BrassCowboy]

It seems this coaching staff is scared and timid to use best players at a positions. Can you think how good this offense(team) would be with a playmaker in the punt and KO returner? Looks like we finally have one in PACMAN for punts..why not let him also do kicks? He did them with the Titans

With Stanback and Austin hurt.. Wade won't use Felix or Pacman?
There are probably the 2 best returners we have. Stanback has yet to prove himself, but I do like what I see when he does return(except for the fumble). We drafted Felix(rather had CJ) to releave MB3 and be the 3rd down guy and on draft day it was a selling point on Felix how good a returner he is , but WE ARE NOT GOING TO USE HIM . I can understand not using him alot in preseason..maybe 2-3 returns total, but opening day I would try and get the ball in my playmakers hands(Felix,pac,etc..)

Can't the coaching staff see what a difference a good punt return(pac) makes on this team..now imagine returner that could take it the distance any time they touch the ball.

Also in Defense coverage..if they can play man(bump/run) let them play. THats what PAC excells at. I am so sick of the coaching staff playing the corners 7-10 yards off the reciever when it is 3rd and 3. What do you think happens?...they throw to the WR, we try to get there, but with 7-10 yards head start we miss the tackle and they get alot more than a first down.
MAKE THE OTHER TEAM EARN EVERY DAMN YARD..DON'T GIVE THEM ANYTHING!

Thanks for hearing my rant

well... Stanback and Austin both got hurt on the return teams, so I would think giving a guy like Adam Jones that much more responsibility would only increase his chances of getting hurt.

 

[Ben_n_austin]

This is the best coaching staff we've had in a decade, barring special teams.

 

[silverbear]

It depends on why we lost. Injurys, mistakes, game plan, penalties,etc I would have fired READ after the opening Kickoff of the Texans game.

Hey, I was wondering back in June why Read was retained... but that's not the question; a certain poster expressed the opinion that if the Cowboys fail to win the Super Bowl, he'd fire the entire coaching staff, except for Jason Garrett...

I find that position asinine, and any who hold it to be morons... I point out that good teams are not built by knee-jerk owners and GMs, but by steady hands who don't overreact when bad times happen...

Winning ANY Super Bowl requires a bit of serendipity, in the injury deparmtment, and in getting hot at just the right time... so, if you'd even think about firing the entire staff unless it was Super Bowl or Bust, then yeah, you lack the requisite patience to be a good fan, and you demonstrate that you don't understand the game at ALL...