Twitter: Dolphins open to trading WR Cedrick Wilson

[JonesBoys]

I'd bring him back but only after he's released. No trade.........

Yup unless Miami takes a 7th and a lot of the contract on. More than likely he gets cut anyway.

 

[aikemirv]

No, it was not a better contract.
I need you guys to do better and understand contract basics.
He got 2 years and 14M GTD essentially.
Thats not awful for a starting WR at all... but the structure means if Ced was good he is back to market quickly and is he is bad you basically GTD 2 of the 3 years. (you pay him 5M to cut him this year)
They are openly begging someone to take him right now because he is WR4 and WR5 is an early draf tpick.

Michael Gallup was paid more but for FAR longer.
Dallas tied him up throughout his entire prime. And take zero large cap hits because of the contract design.
Dallas could cut Gallup today and spread his dead money cap hits over 2 seasons.
Gallup's deal looks better as each day passes because if he is WR3 in 2 years that becomes a value deal.
Dallas knew he was not going to be 100% year 1 and thus paid him for the long term with negligible cost year 1.

MIA paid Ced Wilson a 5.7M cap hit for 12 receptions and 136 yards.
DAL paid Gallup a 4.5M cap hit for 39 receptions and 424 yards.

Fully Guaranteed money to Gallup was 23 mill - to Cedric it was 12.5 million and I could care less what he did in Miami. I cared what he did in our offense!

Cedric was the correct move, not Gallup!

 

[Reid1boys]

No thanks. He was not all that great when he was here, not as many thought he was.
Can get better players in the draft at this point.

yea, like Tolbert.... he is clearly better than Wilson, right?

I wouldnt trade for Wilson with that contract, but thinking you are just gonna draft a better WR is shown to total BS when we drafted Tolbert last year with a THIRD RD PICK and the guy couldnteven get activated for game days, let alone actually contribute.

 

[Reid1boys]

I mean , sure.. Miami take on most of the salary tho , and no more than a 7th. Like many of said we can get a good WR in this draft

didnt we draft a "Good wr," with a 3rd in last yeras draft? How did that work out?

You can get ANYTHING in the draft.... doesnt mean the player will be any good.

 

[Reid1boys]

Fully Guaranteed money to Gallup was 23 mill - to Cedric it was 12.5 million and I could care less what he did in Miami. I cared what he did in our offense!

Cedric was the correct move, not Gallup!

how much less can you care?

 

[jazzcat22]

yea, like Tolbert.... he is clearly better than Wilson, right?

I wouldnt trade for Wilson with that contract, but thinking you are just gonna draft a better WR is shown to total BS when we drafted Tolbert last year with a THIRD RD PICK and the guy couldnteven get activated for game days, let alone actually contribute.

More often than not it takes WR's 2 to 3 years to adapt to the NFL, unless you are a #1 pick. Excuse me if I don't want an injury prone WR to return.
I will see what Tolbert does in year 2, as well as a draft pick.
I am not an instant satisfaction fan. I will let football development take its course.

 

[Reid1boys]

More often than not it takes WR's 2 to 3 years to adapt to the NFL, unless you are a #1 pick. Excuse me if I don't want an injury prone WR to return.
I will see what Tolbert does in year 2, as well as a draft pick.
I am not an instant satisfaction fan. I will let football development take its course.

First, I never said to go get Wilson... I kind of said the opposite. But please, can you name me another WR that was drafted in the last 30 years with a 3rd rd or better pick that was basically not activated all season because he sucked, that then actually became a productive pro? If games start going this year and that guy is into active again, he will be cut.

Ive been watching NFL since 1977 and I honestly can not remember a player drafted in top 3 rds not being activated for games like Tolbert. Big difference between not being a stud out of the game and not even being in uniform on game days.

 

[Risen Star]

A Dolphins podcaster.

 

[jazzcat22]

First, I never said to go get Wilson... I kind of said the opposite. But please, can you name me another WR that was drafted in the last 30 years with a 3rd rd or better pick that was basically not activated all season because he sucked, that then actually became a productive pro? If games start going this year and that guy is into active again, he will be cut.

Ive been watching NFL since 1977 and I honestly can not remember a player drafted in top 3 rds not being activated for games like Tolbert. Big difference between not being a stud out of the game and not even being in uniform on game days.

There were many 1st and 2nd round picks as well that took 2 to 3 years to become elite players. They did not contribute too much until then.
And I been watching the NFL since 1965. But that does not make me an expert over you or anyone else, nor them or you over me.

I am sure you do not remember every single WR, let alone any player where they were selected to claim you are correct. JMO.

 

[Kolemmitt]

A Dolphins podcaster.

I'm on board with bringing him back for a late-round pick, but Miami would have to pay a big chunk of that salary.

 

[Toro9]

They won't get anything for him. Good player, contact is too big. He'll catch on with a team after final cuts and make a few mil. Best o luck to him.

 

[EenonyMoose]

I'm on board with bringing him back for a late-round pick, but Miami would have to pay a big chunk of that salary.

In that scenario, Miami would save 6 million against the cap while Dallas would take on Wilson's 7 million base salary. If they split the difference down the middle, Miami saves 3 million and Dallas gets Wilson for 4 million. That sounds about right for a late round trade.

 

[Reid1boys]

There were many 1st and 2nd round picks as well that took 2 to 3 years to become elite players. They did not contribute too much until then.
And I been watching the NFL since 1965. But that does not make me an expert over you or anyone else, nor them or you over me.

I am sure you do not remember every single WR, let alone any player where they were selected to claim you are correct. JMO.

damn..... READ what I said. I asked you to name me a guy. Then I said I cant think of any... I didnt say none existed.

I also said plenty of guys were active but not great, but I couldnt THINK OF ANY that were not even active that were top 3 rd picks.


sheesh.

 

[jazzcat22]

damn..... READ what I said. I asked you to name me a guy. Then I said I cant think of any... I didnt say none existed.

I also said plenty of guys were active but not great, but I couldnt THINK OF ANY that were not even active that were top 3 rd picks.


sheesh.

Wow.
If you can't think of any, doesn't mean that it didn't happen, so what was your point to begin with.
It has been proven and said by many experts since the 70's. It often takes any WR no matter what round, several years or more to adapt.
Hence, Tom Landry's 3 year rule on players. Reiterated by Bill Parcels and others.

Granted players coming out of college now are better prepared to make contributions right away. However, Tolbert is from a small school with lesser coaching than what Lamb, or Chase or Jefferson had.
I am not defending Tolbert, just saying he may need more time. I am willing to wait to see any progress.

 

[joseephuss]

yea, like Tolbert.... he is clearly better than Wilson, right?

I wouldnt trade for Wilson with that contract, but thinking you are just gonna draft a better WR is shown to total BS when we drafted Tolbert last year with a THIRD RD PICK and the guy couldnteven get activated for game days, let alone actually contribute.

Cedrick Wilson didn't do anything his first year. Did very little his second year. Did just a bit more his third season. Wilson did well his fourth season with Dallas. He then didn't do much with Miami last year. Players can change and grow. They can also regress. A rookie may not do much this year. Wilson or Tolbert may not, either.

 

[Reid1boys]

Wow.
If you can't think of any, doesn't mean that it didn't happen, so what was your point to begin with.
It has been proven and said by many experts since the 70's. It often takes any WR no matter what round, several years or more to adapt.
Hence, Tom Landry's 3 year rule on players. Reiterated by Bill Parcels and others.

Granted players coming out of college now are better prepared to make contributions right away. However, Tolbert is from a small school with lesser coaching than what Lamb, or Chase or Jefferson had.
I am not defending Tolbert, just saying he may need more time. I am willing to wait to see any progress.

It is a good thing you are willing to wait...lol, just kidding.

All of us are willing to wait, because we have no choice. The fact he was a 3rd means he gets another year. He wont get a 3rd if he cant even get a uniform on Sunday.

 

[jazzcat22]

It is a good thing you are willing to wait...lol, just kidding.

All of us are willing to wait, because we have no choice. The fact he was a 3rd means he gets another year. He wont get a 3rd if he cant even get a uniform on Sunday.

Agree, especially if they draft a WR and he is ahead of Tolbert, no matter what round drafted.

 

[Reid1boys]

Cedrick Wilson didn't do anything his first year. Did very little his second year. Did just a bit more his third season. Wilson did well his fourth season with Dallas. He then didn't do much with Miami last year. Players can change and grow. They can also regress. A rookie may not do much this year. Wilson or Tolbert may not, either.

always comes down to opportunity. Had Romo not got hurt, Dak wouldnt have sniffed the field for another 2-3 years of the romo era.

 

[ghst187]

Loved Ced while he was here….was sad to see him leave as he had some chemistry with Dak…however at this point he’d be our #4 plus we have Semi (although I suspect he gets cut before the season starts) and Tolbert waiting for those #4 opportunities not to mention Turpin whom I hope we find a way to get the ball more.

 

[jay94]

Wilson is a capable 3 or 4 receiver, we clearly need help at both those positions, hopefully Gallup can fill the roll of a 3, also injuries happen, so having a 4th capable receiver is a good thing, to me our receivers were our biggest issue last year. Dak doesn't elevate talent, that's ok, his talent sucked and it showed both ways.