Early Predictions for 2006

[5Stars]

Wow. You wrote all that without even proving me wrong, yet you've actually convinced yourself you're right. Great job, moron. You really aren't that bright, seriously. Re-read what you quoted and answered to and tell you really feel proud of that.

Just because Ware is in year 2 and Washington is in year 7 doesn't change the FACT that Washington played better last season, and is simply a better player PERIOD. Notice any of your fellow Boyz fans backing you up? No. Wonder why? Because their embarassed you're even in this thread showing how much of a brainless homer you are! :laugh2:

Youth, bro...football is a young man's game...that is all I'm saying. The Cowboys have developed youth, while Lil Snyder tries to buy experience...

It's all good...we shall see in the end how this all works out....

And, as far as my fellow Cowboy football fans are concerned...they are probably more tired of you RedStinks...just as much as I am...

But, guess what?

YOU ARE NOT BANNED FOR YOUR OPINIONS! Try that over at your house!

Sucker!

 

[silverbear]

I'm not lazy, but there is no sense debating with some people on this board. Commanders fans, and all objective football fans, know they will improve upon an 11-6 season.

1) If you're such an "objective" football fan, how come you can't even get your own team's record straight?? Here's a hint-- if you're talking about their regular season record, they played SIXTEEN games... and if you're factoring in their playoff games as well, they played EIGHTEEN games... but 11-6 adds up to SEVENTEEN games...

If you can't even get a basic fact like your own team's record right, how are we supposed to trust ANYTHING you might post in here??

2) A TRULY objective fan would recognize that the Skins got uncommonly lucky on the injury front last year, and that when that happens, a team often surprises the league... but that objective fan also recognizes that it is highly unlikely they'll enjoy such good fortune again... it is NOT unreasonable to anticipate the Skins taking a step back this coming season, if they suffer a more "normal" number of injuries...

But of course, you're not gonna be "objective" enough to admit that the Skins caught a break when it came to injuries last year... that's because you're not really objective at all, in fact you tend toward an extremely homersitic take of your favorite team...

3) My arguments have been heavily based on statistical analysis... you can't GET more "objective" than using statistical fact... your arguments have mostly consisted of sneering that stats don't mean anything, which of course is hardly objective...

4) If you have such utter contempt for the objectivity of Cowboys fans, why on earth are you even in here?? Are you so utterly desperate for football talk, and can't seem to find a Skins board that will satisfy that urge?? Or are you just here to troll??

Here endeth the lesson... LOL...

 

[The30YardSlant]

You are like a broken record. You keep repeating the same statements that logically don't hold water in this discussion. For Snyder to just want "high profile" players, why didn't he sign Julian Peterson, or trade for Daunte Culpepper, or hell, sign Terrell Owens. He signed players in needs. That argument has a bigger hole in it than the Titanic.

Furthermore, the players signed in 2000 were all brought in to help the 29th ranked defense, except for George. That defense went from 29th to 5th. The lack of depth on offense due to injuries did that season in. Do your own research and stop repeating manure spewed by fools.

Also, I asked you show Carter's college stats and what do you do? You go on about the Heisman. PROVE HE WAS BETTER, DON'T GIVE THAT SUBJECTIVE BULL****. Show his damn stats. Or explain why everyone and their grandmother thought Carter was drafted WAY too high, and he was still drafted lower than Campbell. Again, you cannot win this argument without providing better stats than Campbell's.

You have yet to prove a damn thing in any of those arguments and it's painfully obvious.

With all those FAs in 2000, what was your record? Exactly. Saying that it was good because they helped the defense is like saying you brought in a chandelier and some nice furniture to fix up one room of a haunted house. The house is still a piece of crap, just a little less crappy.

And I'm not going to go find Quincy Carter's stats, I dont need to. Numbers mean almost nothing in college. Andre Ware (considering I doubt you know who he is since you have obviously never watched college football, you can feel free to ask for an explantion) put up record numbers at Houston. He was maybe the biggest bust in NFL history. Danny Wuerful? Ryan Leaf? Any QB who's ever played for Texas Tech (That's a school in Lubbuck, Texas with a pass happy offense, think Steve Spurrier)? Whta have any of these guys ever done in the NFL after lighting it up in college?

If you had ever, even once, watched Auburn, you would know that teams put 8 in the box EVERY PLAY. On 3rd and 12 they had 8 in the box. Why? Because Auburn had 2 of the 3 best RBs in CF. He had the best O-Line in CF blocking for him. Even with all that, Auburn's defense won most of their games that year for them.

Ok, let's play the "they fill a hole" game:

Adam Archuleta: Worst starting coverage safety in football, brought in because Washington's safeties got burnt so badly last year. Brilliant?

Andre Carter: Tweener who gets pushed around by OT brough to help the worst pass rush in football. Makes sense?

Brandon Llyod and Antwaan Randle El: Brought in help an undersized, no talent WR core and both are smurfs with questionable hands. Wonderful?

Maybe you could shed some light on these signings for those of us who have actually watched football before?

 

[silverbear]

Sure, if you can please show me how it relates to this off-season. You know, certain things like age, positions targeted, and expected role on the team. Let's not generalize this discussion on aspects completely unrelated to the football field like, salaries.

I think he was making a more general point, that in the past the Skins' spending sprees haven't translated into success on the field... and while there are obviously differences in the specifics of each year's situations, as a generic argument it is not without merit...

Especially when all we heard from you Skins fans last year was how their sudden restraint in free agent spending was proof that Gibbs was having a positive effect on Danny Boy, teaching him restaint and the value of making shrewder personnel decisions... you talked about how constantly shuffling players on a wholesale basis was damaging to "continuity" and "cohesiveness", and how Danny Boy seemed to have FINALLY learned that less...

Then this year, Gibbs is actually buying into Danny Boy's old philosophy, and you guys are now crowing about how you're adding all this new talent... fpr the strangest reason, I can't seem to find ONE of you who are still backing that "continuity" theory...

It would be nice if you guys would pick one argument, and stick with it...

 

[silverbear]

More hyperbole, no facts. What has Dan Snyder done that is any different from any team in the NFL?

Overpaid for marginal talent... this IS a bit different from the way they used to do it, when they overpaid for aging talent, but overpaying for players is a very, very bad idea, because it leaves you less money to upgrade the weakness of your roster...

Apparently, you haven't taken a good look at the depth of your offensive line, or rather the lack of depth... doesn't look like you've really thought about how very thin y'all are at DB either... then there's the matter of what happens if Brunell gets injured...

Injuries in these areas, or even most of these areas, will make it VERY hard for the Skins to put as competitive a product on the field as they did from about the midpoint of the season until very late in the season... the weird thing is, you guys had VERY clear proof of the OL problems in the regular season finale and the playoffs, but the Skins STILL didn't do anything about their lack of depth... in fact, if anything their backups are WORSE now, substituting Tyson Walter and Mike Pucillo for Ray Brown and Corey Raymer... I have no love for Raymer, he's a stiff, but he's a world better than Tyson Walter...

Actually, the Skins would have preferred to sign Jonathan Goodwin, and he would have been a MUCH better option... but because of what they've splurged on thus far in the offseason, they just didn't feel like they could afford to meet his asking price... so their overpaying at other positions has already hampered their ability to upgrade at a position of need...

 

[silverbear]

We have signed 7 players so far which all hold specific roles in on the team.

The thing is, some of them represent upgrades for y'all, some of 'em we just can't know about, and some of them were utter mistakes, actually downgrades...

Brandon Lloyd and Randle El, upgrades...

Andre Carter, could be an upgrade, could be a mistake; will he suddenly revert to the form that he showed in his second season by moving back to DE, or was he a one hit wonder when he posted those 12.5 sacks...

Todd Collins, upgrade... he'll help Saunders get his system installed...

Christian Fauria, not an upgrade, not a downgrade... he'll adequately replace Robert Royal, though he's somewhat older...

Adam Archuleta, downgrade... he'll give the Skins something extra in run defense, but he's decidedly inferior to the departed Ryan Clark in pass defense...

Tyson Walter and Mike Pucillo, downgrades...

At best, I'd give the Skins a C for their moves, if ALL we're talking about is pure talent... but if we're considering the price paid for that talent, then it becomes easy to understand why they are mentioned as one of the "losers" in free agency this offseason in so many published analyses... meanwhile, the Boys show up as one of the "winners" in many of those same analyses... in fact, some of those analysts are more bullish on the Cowboys' moves than *I* am (I hate TO, no matter how good he is)...

 

[silverbear]

This is related to what happens on gameday how? :laugh1:

These days, the Pats and the Iggles are the models for how to build a team that can contend for the long haul... they do that by DRAFTING very, very well, then judiciously adding selected free agents... instead, they seem to focus their energy and their cap room on keeping their own home-grown talent signed...

 

[silverbear]

Wow. You think Ware is better than Marcus Washington, Cornellius Griffin, Andre Carter, and Lemar Marshall?

I think he's better than any of them were as rookies... I also think if he can avoid serious injuries, he's only gonna get better and better...

 

[silverbear]

What proof do you have that Gibbs doesn't have final say on personnel decisions?

Among other things, the way the Skins have had 2 years now to address their biggest problem, their offensive line (specifically, the total lack of depth on the OL)... the Gibbs I remember from the first time around had his Hogs, one of the best offensive lines in the game at the time... that was a team that could suffer an injury to a starter, and plug in somebody almost as good... that Gibbs, and that Bugel, would have never been satisfied with the depth they have now...

 

[silverbear]

OK, let me rephrase. The team has improved and thus the record should improve.

A more reasonable stance to adopt, for sure... and if the Skins have the same luck as they had in regard to injury as they had last year, they SHOULD improve...

I just kinda doubt that a team can be that fortunate two years in a row...

Meanwhile, would you concede that the Cowboys have also improved, thus the record should improve?? And this is with a whole lot of cap room to use to improve further, and we actually have more than one pick in the first 4 rounds of the upcoming draft...

The difference is, the Cowboys DID suffer their fair share of injuries, and perhaps more... lost our Pro Bowl OT in the 7th game (lozell Adams)... lost our starting MLB midway through the season, the spiritual leader of the defense (Dat Nguyen) a starting OLB later in the season (Al Singleton), and 2 of the backup LBs wound up on IR, too... we'd bring in a safety one week to fill a hole, then he'd wind up on IR the very next week (Derek Pagel)... so if they can manage to suffer fewer injuries (I'm not talking about going totally injury-free here, no team does that, and the Skins didn't get off totally free last season either), there is ample reason to think that our upgrades already in place, and the upgrades yet to come, will translate into greater success on the field...

Particularly when you factor in that the team has had a full season now to get the hang of their new 3-4 defense... that added familiarity will help their execution, too...

 

[silverbear]

How many sacks did Griffin have?

C'mon, HH, that's kinda dishonest... Griffin's job as a DT is to stuff the run, and he does that very, very well...

I love DeMarcus, think he's a star in the making, but he couldn't ever do what Griffin does...

And vice-versa, of course... BTW, I know you weren't the one who brought Griffin into this argument... what you should have done was stated that of the players offered for the point of comparison, the only LEGITIMATE comparisons would have been the linebackers mentioned...

 

[SkinsFan26]

Among other things, the way the Skins have had 2 years now to address their biggest problem, their offensive line (specifically, the total lack of depth on the OL)... the Gibbs I remember from the first time around had his Hogs, one of the best offensive lines in the game at the time... that was a team that could suffer an injury to a starter, and plug in somebody almost as good... that Gibbs, and that Bugel, would have never been satisfied with the depth they have now...

A team can't have stars at every position, much less 2nd stringers. The Skins do have one of the best O-lines in football and have added some depth this offseason.

At least the Skins have a talented set of starters on the O-line.

 

[silverbear]

So, I guess you're conceding that the Cowboys aren't going to win it all this year.

Because adding TO to your team equates to nothing except trying to buy wins.

It does indeed... but he's the exception to the Cowboys' approach this year, rather than the rule... the other signings were not of marquee names...

And even TO came at a surprisingly reasonable price... better still, the way his contract is constructed, the Boys can part ways with him at any time and only suffer a small cap hit, so they've covered themselves if he turns destructive again...

 

[silverbear]

Statistically Griffin's numbers were not that impressive, good, but not that impressive. But if you look at the skin's record when he was there opposed to when he wasnt, you would see that Griffin's payoff comes in his presence.

A good DT often doesn't show up on the stats sheet... he does the dirty work...

Griffin is a good DT... any Cowboys fan who tries to argue otherwise is being silly... the proof of that lies in how the defense's play improved last season when he came back from injury...

 

[silverbear]

You sure know a lot about football don't you.

Uhhhh, he wasn't the one who brought up Griffin's name in the first place...

He is better football player than Ware. Ask your friends here that know something.

First, now you're comparing apples to oranges...

Second, Ware was a freakin' ROOKIE... how 'bout we give him six years in the league, like Griffin has had, before we try to make such judgements?? We surely haven't seen his best football yet, and if he develops into a perennial double digit sack man, then I'll say that he's a better football player than Griffin...

But as I've said elsewhere in this thread, I think Cornelius Griffin is a pretty good DT... any team running a 4-3 defense would be lucky to have him (don't know if he'd hold up at NT)...

 

[silverbear]

Im just wondering why was there such a need for a Wide Reciever on the Cowboys. Im not trying to start any drama just wondering why?

Key and Glenn were both on the wrong side of 30, and after them, the only receiver they had worth a hammered crap was Patrick Crayton... you need more than 3 quality receivers these days... in fact, don't be surprised if the Cowboys make a run at another veteran free agent down the line (I'm holding out hope for Eric Moulds) , or draft a receiver early on, or both...

Most important, though, Owens is a PLAYMAKER... I don't like the sucker, at all, but I have to recognize that opposing defenses have to account for him... the Cowboys' other skill position players will be a little better for the added focus on TO, which translates into a little less focus on them... I'm thinking of Julius Jones here...

I didn't think you were trying to start anything, it was a legit question...

 

[SkinsFan26]

With all those FAs in 2000, what was your record? Exactly. Saying that it was good because they helped the defense is like saying you brought in a chandelier and some nice furniture to fix up one room of a haunted house. The house is still a piece of crap, just a little less crappy.

And I'm not going to go find Quincy Carter's stats, I dont need to. Numbers mean almost nothing in college. Andre Ware (considering I doubt you know who he is since you have obviously never watched college football, you can feel free to ask for an explantion) put up record numbers at Houston. He was maybe the biggest bust in NFL history. Danny Wuerful? Ryan Leaf? Any QB who's ever played for Texas Tech (That's a school in Lubbuck, Texas with a pass happy offense, think Steve Spurrier)? Whta have any of these guys ever done in the NFL after lighting it up in college?

If you had ever, even once, watched Auburn, you would know that teams put 8 in the box EVERY PLAY. On 3rd and 12 they had 8 in the box. Why? Because Auburn had 2 of the 3 best RBs in CF. He had the best O-Line in CF blocking for him. Even with all that, Auburn's defense won most of their games that year for them.

Ok, let's play the "they fill a hole" game:

Adam Archuleta: Worst starting coverage safety in football, brought in because Washington's safeties got burnt so badly last year. Brilliant?

Andre Carter: Tweener who gets pushed around by OT brough to help the worst pass rush in football. Makes sense?

Brandon Llyod and Antwaan Randle El: Brought in help an undersized, no talent WR core and both are smurfs with questionable hands. Wonderful?

Maybe you could shed some light on these signings for those of us who have actually watched football before?

You really should take some notes from Silver Bear. You are the worst poster on this entire site. I know that your fellow fans are embarrassed by the garbage you put into print.

Yeah, Antwaan Randle El, Brandon Lloyd, and Santana Moss are a bunch of no talent bums! Get real, moron!

 

[silverbear]

Yes, I agree. But the Skins are still the better football team. Just my opinion.

I think the only reason they were better last year was the injury factor... even with that factored in, the Boys ranked very close to the Skins in total offense and total defense...

If fully healthy, I'd say both teams were pretty much equal in terms of pure talent last year... and MY opinion is that the Cowboys have done a better job of upgrading their talent base, of addressing team weaknesses this offseason (with more to come, certainly more moves than the Skins have left for them)...

 

[silverbear]

I disagree, I think JJ is desperate (having not won a playoff game in 10 years and getting swept and humiliated by the Skins last year) and is trying to buy a championship.

While you're obviously just trying to troll here, LOL, you have a point about the reason Jerruh made that particular splashy move... he DOES want to get the Boys back to the top in a hurry, and he feels that the Cowboys are close to contention...

 

[The30YardSlant]

You really should take some notes from Silver Bear. You are the worst poster on this entire site. I know that your fellow fans are embarrassed by the garbage you put into print.

Yeah, Antwaan Randle El, Brandon Lloyd, and Santana Moss are a bunch of no talent bums! Get real, moron!

I don't know about that, but I do know I'm embarrassed for you....

And where did I ever say, even once, that Santana Moss, Brandon Llyod, or Randle El and no talent? Never, that's where.

And you dont know anything, you are a small, insignifigant, worthless piece of Commander homerism with no real thoughts or objections of your own. You show this by simply throwing around insults and not discussing anything in my post.

For the betterment of mankind, please go hurl yourself off the top of the capitol building ASAP.