stilltheguru
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Logic means nothing on cowboyszone. All about sticking to your guns no matter what.Stokes was extremely successful in college
Logic means nothing on cowboyszone. All about sticking to your guns no matter what.Stokes was extremely successful in college
Stokes was extremely successful in college
I am, and I'm telling you crystal clear that Surtain would be bad for the Cowboys.This is the lame part of every draft season. You get folks that just parrot other’s opinions as gospel. If you don’t know what you’re looking at then why bother. Formulate your own takes instead regurgitating others.
So you like Surtain best even though he gets beat deep and at the line of scrimmage if he doesn't get his hands on the opposing WR early? These are things that both Caleb Farley and Eric Stokes perform much better. But you still want the lesser guy?He does not like Surtain there is nothing we can do about that. It’s like the Dak haters. No matter what he sees in the game tape, he will focus on the negative. Surtain got burnt in the championship but the quarterback did not throw the ball to the receiver.
A 4.25 corner hasn't been on anyone's radar as a top prospect until he ran said time at a Pro Day.What does he have to do with Stokes?
I would not draft anyone who works out in a sports bra. Sorry.
I am, and I'm telling you crystal clear that Surtain would be bad for the Cowboys.
Anyones radar meaning guys like Jeff Cavanaugh? You havent heard anything from actual scouts.A 4.25 corner hasn't been on anyone's radar as a top prospect until he ran said time at a Pro Day.
If he displayed 4.25 speed during the season in his play, at 6'1 205 or so pounds, he should be number 1 on prospect lists.
Yet, he is not.
Hence, my Mike Mamula reference.
Patrick Surtain...“While (Surtain) he typically thrives in press coverage, Surtain was incredibly impressive down the field his senior season. Surtain allowed only one reception 25 yards or more.”
So, he supposedly gets beat deep a lot but only gave up one pass of 25 yards or more? Shut up.
Does he have him as the No. 1 corner? At 6'1, 205 lbs, playing for an SEC school, running a 4.25 40, and having played this past season, he should be hands down the No. 1 corner, if he has ball skills. Farley didn't even play this past season, and he's ranked the No.1 corner on many if not most draft boards. I don't think Farley runs 4.25.Anyones radar meaning guys like Jeff Cavanaugh? You havent heard anything from actual scouts.
Patrick Surtain...
Weaknesses:
- Outside corner only
- Lacks twitch
- Has change of directions problems
- Straight line athletically
- Can be late getting his head around to track ball in flight
Surtain's best year was his this last season, his junior year (2020 season), where he held opposing QBs to a 57.0 passer rating yielded, and 11.3 coverage snaps per target, which led the nation.
- Not a good fit in off man coverage
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Caleb Farley...
Per PFF, when throwing in the direction of Caleb Farley, opposing quarterbacks had a quarterback rating of 26.8 in 2019 (his last year of performance since Farley opted out of the 2020 season due to covid). The passer rating of a quarterback throwing the ball into the dirt on every snap is 39.6.
By that metric, it's statistically better for a quarterback to spike the ball every snap than throw to a receiver covered by Caleb Farley.
Insanity.
Pro Football Focus Suggests Not Throwing at Virginia Tech DB Caleb Farley
In other words, sit down and shut up for once.
Voch Lombardi showed tape on Surtain already. Not enough for you?Just like I said.
Every year we get dudes in hear that wanna talk draft and just cut and paste the thoughts of others.
BTW, where are all those deep passes be supposedly gave up?
Does he have him as the No. 1 corner? At 6'1, 205 lbs, playing for an SEC school, running a 4.25 40, and having played this past season, he should be hands down the No. 1 corner, if he has ball skills. Farley didn't even play this past season, and he's ranked the No.1 corner on many if not most draft boards. I don't think Farley runs 4.25.
Be that as it may, I've seen quite a few ratings of college players eligible for the draft, and I haven't seen one that has him as the top corner prospect.
But, no, I don't recall Cavanaugh's ranking. Does he have him as the No. 1 corner?
Cavanaugh's most recent list:
1st
1 Caleb Farley
2 Patrick Surtain
3 Jaycee Horn
4 Kelvin Joseph
2nd
5 Asante Samuel Jr (slot)
6 Elijah Molden (slot)
7 Aaron Robinson (slot)
8 Paulson Adeebo
9 Ifeatu Melifonwu
10 Greg Newsome
2nd-3rd
11 Shakur Brown
12 Eric Stokes
3rd
13 Thomas Graham Jr
14 Tyson Campbell
Has not watched yet: Benjamin St Juste, Keith Taylor, Robert Rochelle, Tay Gowan
Voch Lombardi showed tape on Surtain already. Not enough for you?
Farley held opposing QBs to a way much lesser passer rating his last season played (2019) than Surtain's best season (2020) played.
Surtain has a few limitations. Farley does not.
What more do you want?
You think that giving up just 1 pass of 25 yards or more justifies taking him? Look at the opposing passer rating accrued by QBs who play against Surtain and Farley that I submitted to you. While Surtain is very good (#1 in the nation in 2020: take not how Farley sat out 2020 due to covid), Farley blows away Surtain's opposing QB accrued passer rating out of the water by a lot! Then, take into account both players' scouting report negatives, Farley shows he's by far the better player and prospect.I just showed you information that said he gave up just one (1) pass of 25 yards or more his senior season.
“Buh, this guy has an opinion.....”
Lombardi’s take is an opinion. What I just showed you is the reality of what’s happening on the field aka fact, lulz.
Cavanaugh's most recent list:
1st
1 Caleb Farley
2 Patrick Surtain
3 Jaycee Horn
4 Kelvin Joseph
2nd
5 Asante Samuel Jr (slot)
6 Elijah Molden (slot)
7 Aaron Robinson (slot)
8 Paulson Adeebo
9 Ifeatu Melifonwu
10 Greg Newsome
2nd-3rd
11 Shakur Brown
12 Eric Stokes
3rd
13 Thomas Graham Jr
14 Tyson Campbell
Has not watched yet: Benjamin St Juste, Keith Taylor, Robert Rochelle, Tay Gowan
I ask the best question and the most important: can he cover and tackle well?
Alexander Wright WR in 1990, frst pick in 2nd round, selected by Jimmy Johnson, reportely ran a 4.19 40, but he was not a good receiver. He could not do much at the position.
You think that giving up just 1 pass of 25 yards or more justifies taking him? Look at the opposing passer rating accrued by QBs who play against Surtain and Farley that I submitted to you. While Surtain is very good (#1 in the nation in 2020: take not how Farley sat out 2020 due to covid), Farley blows away Surtain's opposing QB accrued passer rating out of the water by a lot! Then, take into account both players' scouting report negatives, Farley shows he's by far the better player and prospect.
Yet, once again, you've got that California smart-aleck stubborn attitude that you simply can't see the forest for the trees when it comes to which is the better player and best suited for the Cowboys needs.
He’s clearly clueless. When you’re debating a player and the first thing you do is a copy and paste job, lol.Oh, I see. Those are all his projected times. Those guys don’t know what he’s going to run.
The way you were stating it as fact, I thought you actually knew what he timed in the 40 somehow.