ESPN: Four Cowboys on decade's 25 most overrated players

[Idgit]

Well, those that believe everything you say will believe everything you say. Those of us that think for ourselves will think for ourselves. Anything i say you will twist just like you do the stats you hold so dear to.

Think for yourselves = don't rely on facts? That's not what you were trying to say, was it?

 

[Everlastingxxx]

No, but Henry did play well that season. And yet, teams avoided Newman and threw at Henry with abandon.

When? Last time Henry played decent was his first season but got hurt. Henry was a terrible FA pickup and the cause of much pain for Cowboy fans. He has always been slow but had some ball skills. Last season he was just flat out horrible.

For the record. I think Newman is a good corner and sometimes great. I think he hasn’t been tested enough and id love to see that this season. Mainly because i think he can rise up and play on that level. But i would agree, i think he is overated. Teams can throw at him and make some plays or cause him to PI.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Think for yourselves = don't rely on facts? That's not what you were trying to say, was it?

Some of us watch the games and formulate thoughts. Others...wait for Adam or (insert popular poster), then forumlate their thoughts accordingly.

Not facts...twisted stats.

 

[DallasDomination]

Newman isnt that good..He's slightly overrated.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Thanks for the meaningless predictions. How many interceptions and passes defended did Scandrick have last year, anyway? Oh, wait. Those would be facts. Never mind.

That is exactly how you view an opinion other than yours. And why are you so obsessed with stats? And you seem to confuse stats with facts. They are not one in the same.

 

[Alexander]

Newman isnt that good..He's slightly overrated.

By our fanbase, obviously. Overall though, he is underrated from pundits. You don't often hear about him when the top CBs are mentioned. In other words, he's not mentioned in the same light as Bailey, Asomugha and Samuel.

 

[Alexander]

I don't remember that quote, but he probably meant that the play, while not leading to points, nevertheless put our struggling offense in bad field position. To which I say, "Too damn bad." Put a drive together for God's sake. It's not the D's job to set you up perfectly each and every time. This loss was 99% the fault of the offense and special teams.

Oh I completely agree. That was perhaps one of the finer defensive performances overall out of a Cowboy team against a quality opponent since we were winning Super Bowls. I wasn't blaming Newman, but someone wanted an example, and that was one. It was a momentum shifting play, but hardly why we lost, just part of that 1%.

The defense did everything but kill the Steelers and hung on in a hostile environment as much as they could. They weren't responsible for the loss, they did everything they could to win. They couldn't go out there and play offense too. Romo and company simply didn't get the job done.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Newman isn't as highly thought of as Samuels or Bailey because he doesn't get the INT numbers that they do.

This notion that teams constantly attack him, or go after him and don't avoid him, is crazy. The only time anyone goes after him, on a consistant basis, is if he's playing hurt (the Skins game this last year) and they take advantage of that. When he's healthy they try to avoid him.

 

[bbgun]

Oh I completely agree. That was perhaps one of the finer defensive performances overall out of a Cowboy team against a quality opponent since we were winning Super Bowls. I wasn't blaming Newman, but someone wanted an example, and that was one. It was a momentum shifting play, but hardly why we lost, just part of that 1%.

The defense did everything but kill the Steelers and hung on in a hostile environment as much as they could. They weren't responsible for the loss, they did everything they could to win. They couldn't go out there and play offense too. Romo and company simply didn't get the job done.

I think this was another instance of Wade trying to be too much of a "nice" guy. Instead of (rightly) focusing on the O's daylong ineptitude, he diplomatically tried to spread the blame around--even throwing Newman under the bus for a non-critical play. Let's hope that version of Wade is dead and buried.

 

[Tovya]

Newman isn't as highly thought of as Samuels or Bailey because he doesn't get the INT numbers that they do.

This notion that teams constantly attack him, or go after him and don't avoid him, is crazy. The only time anyone goes after him, on a consistant basis, is if he's playing hurt (the Skins game this last year) and they take advantage of that. When he's healthy they try to avoid him.

Agreed. He's not an ESPN highlight reel, and therefore most of these so-called NFL "experts" don't watch every play he makes in every game. To most of these writers, if they don't see it on SportsCenter, then it never happened.

 

[28 Joker]

When? Last time Henry played decent was his first season but got hurt. Henry was a terrible FA pickup and the cause of much pain for Cowboy fans. He has always been slow but had some ball skills. Last season he was just flat out horrible.

For the record. I think Newman is a good corner and sometimes great. I think he hasn’t been tested enough and id love to see that this season. Mainly because i think he can rise up and play on that level. But i would agree, i think he is overated. Teams can throw at him and make some plays or cause him to PI.

You are not giving Newman the credit he deserves for not being targeted heavily during his caeer.

Did you watch Anthony Henry's 2006 season? That was his best year in Dallas. He put up a 6.7 YPA and played two games with one leg. The NFL threw at Henry (6.7 YPA in 2006) and threw at him 100+ times according to Joyner. Henry was good in 2006, very good. Newman's 7.1 YPA is inflated that year, because the other teams chose to target a player having his best season as a Cowboys. That wasn't the Raiders version of DeAngelo Hall they were targeting. Newman didn't get the opportunites to sink that number down that season, because he didn't get the opportunites. Also, it was his lowest INT total of his career. Teams avoided Newman based on his play that year and the year before and the backend of 2004.

Where is all this pass interference you speak of? I can remember three off the top of my head over the past three years. Newman had a bogus PI call on him this year in Dallas, the second Giants game. That was a terrible call. Newman didn't do anything.

That was the first penalty called on him since 2006 where another bogus call was directed his way in the wildcard game. The CBs in the playoffs that year got away with beating people up downfield, and that call was made on Newman in Seattle. The ball wasn't catchable. It was a joke on both fronts, contact and catchable ball. Newman didn't impede that guy at all. Deion Sanders on Micheal Irvin in 1994, now, that is PI.

Again, Samuel, Bailey, Woodson, and even Asomugha have given up more deep or intermediate throws than Newman has since 2004. Look at the YPA. That stat is one measure that can take the bias out of arguments. It will be higher if you are giving up significant big plays.

Newman has been the master of preventing big plays during his career.

Your expectations must be impossible to reach.

If you want perfection, you will not see it out of any quarterback.

Newman shut down Dallas Clark and gave up one play at the end of the game agasint the Colts where he was hanging all over Harrison. I guess that isn't good enough for some people. He got his bell rung in that game, too. He kept playing. Peyton Manning is pretty godd and that pass was perfect. The other guys get paid, too.

 

[Rampage]

I thought that lucky break the steelers caught on that punt that hit one of our guys had more impact than that pass on Newman. they atleast got points after that fluke punt/fumble recovery play.

 

[28 Joker]

Sorry but that's just not true. When teams needed big plays last season they went after him. And especially after him the last few games of last season. They didn't went after Pacman nor did they go to Henry's side. They went to TNEW and they were successfull.

So especially in the last games teams showed no fear in challenging TNEW. But also the whol season i did not recognize any difference with teams approaching their passing game when it comes to our CBs.

The big play is something where TNEW always had problems throughout his career. He often doesn't look for the ball and he is often in bad position on fly routes because he bites on fakes much to hard. The latter he sometimes is able to make up with his good speed but the first one is still an issue he hasn't solved till now.

You know what, when you are covering the other team's best WR all over the field, and the defense is smothering you with the best pass rush in the NFL, the other team is forced to throw the ball at you.

Newman had 4 INTs in his last 7 games and could have gotten 5. He shut down Moss, Hixon, Branch, Clayton, and he gave up one significant play to Holmes. I'm sure he's looking forward to the rematch with that little troll, DeSean Jackson. Jackson will not get away with that little straight arm he put on Newman when Newman was right on him and making a move to make a play on the ball. Newman has seen that trick. An endzone camera from some ESPN footage showed Jackson make contact with Newman while Newman was closing on the football in the air. They showed it when they were talking about the Eagles on Sports Center.

When you are in man coverage deep down the field, sometimes you have to go for the pass breakup. That is part of man coverage. Your back is to the quarterback. LOL at this writer saying Newman "keeps WRs in front of him". No. He's running with them down the field. Your first job is to prevent the reception, not try to be a hero.

Newman has dropped a few picks, but Samuel dropped one in the Super Bowl that cost his team an undefeated season.

 

[superpunk]

I just got a bite in the *** from reality. Please people, stop bumping this thread. If you just let it fade into Bolivian maybe we can all forget that I opened my mouth without thinking first.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Your expectations must be impossible to reach.

If you want perfection, you will not see it out of any quarterback.

I don’t have the time or the resources to go and review the 2006 Cowboys secondary. Henry is slow, Newman is fast. Throw the ball towards Henrys direction. I only remember one good year out of Henry and it was his first season that was cut short because of a groin pull.

Newman is a good corner. My third time saying that. But Cowboy fans are so freaked out by anything negative said about their pet peeve players. I would like to see how he does when teams start game planning to attack him. I think only the Skins have done it and had alot of success.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Haha, no this is fun, im getting ready for the season.

 

[28 Joker]

I don’t have the time or the resources to go and review the 2006 Cowboys secondary. Henry is slow, Newman is fast. Throw the ball towards Henrys direction. I only remember one good year out of Henry and it was his first season that was cut short because of a groin pull.

Newman is a good corner. My third time saying that. But Cowboy fans are so freaked out by anything negative said about their pet peeve players. I would like to see how he does when teams start game planning to attack him. I think only the Skins have done it and had alot of success.

The fans have a right to defend an underrated player when he doesn't get enough credit from the media.

In fact, his reputation gets unethically and unjustly smeared.

They have a right to set the record straight.

Don't let the facts get in your way.



Who was on the other side of Samuel in NE?

Ellis Hobbs.

Yet, Samuel had a season recently where he was ranked about 17th in being targeted according to Joyner.

Who is on the other side of Woodson?

It was Al Harris and his 9.7 YPA in 2007. Al Harris went to the Pro Bowl giving up 9.7 YPA. That is a joke.

Who is on the other side of Asomugha while his defense gives up 159 YPG on the ground, ranked 31st.

I don't even know his name now. He may be good. I don't know him.

Teams went at Champ Bailey pretty hard one year and attacked him about as much as Dre Bly.

 

[Dodger]

Newman has been considered a franchise cornerback-in-waiting since he was selected fifth overall in the 2003 draft, but there's no evidence he has played at that level since then. Teams don't avoid him like they do Nnamdi Asomugha, nor does he pick up large totals of passes defended or intercepted to match players like Asante Samuel or Charles Woodson. He's a useful cornerback who's usually effective at keeping plays in front of him, sure, but he's paid like an elite guy, without having established a history of playing like one.

That's funny.

Franchise corner in waiting? Dude, he's already there. And I love how the writer uses his own criteria for "elite" like it's the official standard. Not that I'm surprised by this. It's a pretty typical strategy used by some in the media. Pick a player who was drafted high; cherry pick the stats to judge him by; claim he's not producing as he should; label him as overrated.

 

[Juke99]

How can Newman be a "franchise cornerback-in-waiting" and yet be overrated?

If the writer wrote that "Newman is seen as a franchise CB..." that would be a different story...the operative phrase is "in-waiting"

Oy.

 

[burmafrd]

everlasting must be a masochist to keep coming back after getting his lunch eaten faster then Deangelo Hall gets beaten.