ESPN: Four Cowboys on decade's 25 most overrated players

[28 Joker]

I don’t have the time or the resources to go and review the 2006 Cowboys secondary. Henry is slow, Newman is fast. Throw the ball towards Henrys direction. I only remember one good year out of Henry and it was his first season that was cut short because of a groin pull.

Newman is a good corner. My third time saying that. But Cowboy fans are so freaked out by anything negative said about their pet peeve players. I would like to see how he does when teams start game planning to attack him. I think only the Skins have done it and had alot of success.

While Henry may have not worked out too well, he was very good in 2006. I remember him playing well, and you can see the big drop off in 2007 and 2008 in his play. Look at Al Harris' 9.7 YPA in 2007. Harris is opposite of Woodson.

Henry's 2006 YPA of 6.7 YPA ranked 20th in the NFL according to Joyner.

Henry's success percentage was 45% that year (2006). Henry was the most targeted CB in the NFL according to Joyner, and he was very successful in defended the 100+ passes directed his way when you look at his %. Yet, the NFL kept targeting him and avoiding Newman.

Again, a success percentage over 40% is considered good or quality for Joyner's comparisons.

Only one CB has obtained a success percentage over 50% during the past three or four years.

That CB is Asomugha.

However, while Asomugha has proven to be tough to pass against, he will give up yards in big chunks if you complete a ball on him. His YPA shows this from 2004-2007.

Asomugha YPA from 2004-2007 *(didn't start until 2005):

7.5, 6.3, 6.9, 7.0 (AVG: 6.9) Asomugha's average was 10th in Vela's analysis. Newman's four year average was 2nd.


Jacques Reeves and Aaron Glenn were the two players getting roasted by Santana Moss, not Newman.

Newman is 2-0 vs Moss when it's man on man, all over the field.

Newman shut that little troll down, twice.

 

[28 Joker]

In 2007, Champ Bailey was targeted 60 times, and Dre Bly was targeted 78 times. Bailey's YPA, in 2007, was 7.8 according to Joyner. Bailey's 7.8 YPA ranked 56th according to Joyner. Bailey was targeted deep, and quarterbacks were having success. Bly's 2007 YPA was 8.8 YPA.

In 2004, Dre Bly put up the second best single season YPA with a 4.4 YPA according to Joyner. Bailey had the first best in 2005 with a
4.7 YPA. While those two years were great, the two players were not consistent and came back down to Earth, way down in some years.

That year (2004; Bly's big YPA year) Bailey had an 8.6 YPA. That ranked 66th according to Joyner.

So, Anthony Herny's 2006 6.7 YPA was impressive, especially with 100+ targets. the most in the NFL for Joyner.

Who was playing opposite of that 6.7 YPA (2th ranked) in 2006?

Terence Newman

 

[BAT]

Interesting. Where would Newman be ranked on the Cowboys' list of all-time great corners?

 

[28 Joker]

Have you heard of the Kiss Army?

We'll here is the Terence Newman Army (updated):

Hat tip to all these guys for defending Terence Newman from Aaron Schatz's, of ESPN.com, very poor, false, misleading, suspect, suspicious, and deviant journalism. I read all your posts, and you all scored big points.


187beatdown
Ren
Apollo Creed
Catch 17
daschoo
Muhast
CLab
Cowboy McCoy
Prossman
Micheal Winicki
Future
Dash 28
thechosein2
Three Sports Star 80
AdamJT13
DaBoys4Life
Adbutcher
Alexander (thanks for posting)
burmafrd
bbgun
Tovya
BraveHeartFan
Rampage
The Dodger
Juke 99
Idgit
dbair1967
Yakuza Rich

 

[Idgit]

Have you heard of the Kiss Army?

We'll here is the Terence Newman Army (updated):

Hat tip to all these guys for defending Terence Newman from Aaron Schatz's, of ESPN.com, very poor, false, misleading, suspect, suspicious, and deviant journalism. I read all your posts, and you all scored big points.


187beatdown
Ren
Apollo Creed
Catch 17
daschoo
Muhast
CLab
Cowboy McCoy
Prossman
Micheal Winicki
Future
Dash 28
thechosein2
Three Sports Star 80
AdamJT13
DaBoys4Life
Adbutcher
Alexander (thanks for posting)
burmafrd
bbgun
Tovya
BraveHeartFan
Rampage
The Dodger
Juke 99
Idgit
DBair1967

I should have slightly more points than Juke and The Dodger.

Also, you accidentally gave bbgun props for saying something positive about the Cowboys. I'm not telling you your business, but he's not going to like that. I see a copy of the Simpson's Technical Difficulties image in your near future.

 

[28 Joker]

I should have slightly more points than Juke and The Dodger.

Also, you accidentally gave bbgun props for saying something positive about the Cowboys. I'm not telling you your business, but he's not going to like that. I see a copy of the Simpson's Technical Difficulties image in your near future.

Idgit,

The list isn't a contest. If you said something to defend Newman, I pointed it out. It helps me see that I'm not alone, too. I appreciate the help.

As far as bbgun goes, I can live with it.

He had some great comments, and I'll take what I can get.

 

[Idgit]

Idgit,

The list isn't a contest. If you said something to defend Newman, I pointed it out. It helps me see that I'm not alone, too. I appreciate the help.

As far as bbgun goes, I can live with it.

He had some great comments, and I'll take what I can get.

If it's not a contest, you should just edit it and put me at the top, then. I don't like the view from Juke's backside.

 

[28 Joker]

If it's not a contest, you should just edit it and put me at the top, then. I don't like the view from Juke's backside.

You got me.

I could put you behind Jessica Alba, but she wasn't in the discussion.

 

[bbgun]

Also, you accidentally gave bbgun props for saying something positive about the Cowboys.

That's because I like to wait until it's actually, you know, warranted. Why? Because I'm smarter than you. Much much smarter.

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[28 Joker]

Interesting. Where would Newman be ranked on the Cowboys' list of all-time great corners?

We'll, you would think he would get at least an honorable mention in the DC.com top 50 list. That was a bad mistake on their part, imo. Newman should be in the top 50, imo, Terrell Owens made it, and Newman shut him down twice.

Personally, I think he's in the top 2. Newman has played the slot in an era where Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, ect... spread teams out and throw it all the time.

Hey, Bat.

I guess the scouts saw Lawrence Sidbury Jr.'s 6 sacks and his weakness at the point of attack against the run. They didn't get suckered by the 4 sack championship game.

You won that one for sure.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Idgit,

The list isn't a contest. If you said something to defend Newman, I pointed it out. It helps me see that I'm not alone, too. I appreciate the help.

As far as bbgun goes, I can live with it.

He had some great comments, and I'll take what I can get.

I did say something nice about Newman, i said he was good corner. But whatever makes you feel like you accomplished something today.

And i don’t know why you would feel you were alone. Newman much like 31 Roy Williams and Tony Romo are heavily protected here. You can’t say one word against them without getting tons of insults. It doesn’t bother me. It has less to do with the Dallas Cowboys and more to do with their own egos.

 

[Idgit]

That's because I like to wait until it's actually, you know, warranted. Why? Because I'm smarter than you. Much much smarter.

You'll get no argument from me on that point, bbgun.
Smart *and* funny. Lucky, lucky *******.

 

[BAT]

We'll, you would think he would get at least an honorable mention in DC.com top 50 list. That was a bad mistake on their part, imo. Newman should be in the top 50, imo, Terrell Owens made it, and Newman shut him down twice.

Personally, I think he's in the top 2. Newman has played the slot in an era where Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, ect... spread teams out and throw it all the time.

Completely agree. Newman is top 50. I forgot to mention earlier, but how is someone UNDERrated if he's only been to ONE pro bowl. If anything, he is almost the Darren Woodson of the 00 Cowboys, not enough respect/recognition for his importance to the team. But he needs to make more plays IMO. Top 5 corners have to make more plays.

And the Cowboy have had some great corners in their long history, not sure if Newman makes my top TWO. Top 5 or 6 for me.

1. Mel Renfro
2. Deion Sanders
3. Cornell Green
4. Everson Walls
5. Terrence Newman / Kevin Smith

Hey, Bat.

I guess the scouts saw Lawrence Sidbury Jr.'s 6 sacks and his weakness at the point of attack against the run. They didn't get suckered by the 4 sack championship game.

You won that one for sure.

Season hasn't started yet, and the injury bug could change things, but I do not expect Sidbury to make any impact his rook season (likely not for a few years even). But I am somewhat vindicated since he slipped way below where many fans projected him. Not saying that the kid cannot put it together one day, but he was not just soft against the run, he only had like TWO pass rush moves. Veikune is not only the more physical player, he was the more complete & more versatile player, that was obvious, at least to the teams picking anyway. But thanks for the kudos!

 

[Juke99]

I should have slightly more points than Juke and The Dodger.

Maybe so but I can rig the voting.

 

[burmafrd]

And i don’t know why you would feel you were alone. Newman much like 31 Roy Williams and Tony Romo are heavily protected here. You can’t say one word against them without getting tons of insults. It doesn’t bother me. It has less to do with the Dallas Cowboys and more to do with their own egos.[/quote]

You got owned in both facts and figures, then again as regards respect for Newman from scouts and coaches. You do not have the courage to admit that simple fact. You accomplished nothing except to prove your opinion has no value. Well done.

 

[Tovya]

And i don’t know why you would feel you were alone. Newman much like 31 Roy Williams and Tony Romo are heavily protected here. You can’t say one word against them without getting tons of insults. It doesn’t bother me. It has less to do with the Dallas Cowboys and more to do with their own egos.

You got owned in both facts and figures, then again as regards respect for Newman from scouts and coaches. You do not have the courage to admit that simple fact. You accomplished nothing except to prove your opinion has no value. Well done.[/quote]

Right, except for one problem...

Romo and Williams have received (deservedly I might add) criticism for making the big mistakes. I give Romo a semi-pass because he's practically a less than 3 year player... although this is his final year of excuses for me.

Williams deserves all the crap he got when he was here... he started off at the top and spiraled south each year in the league.

Newman on the other hand has not disappointed in the least bit. Yeah, it sucked that he has been hurt as often as he has, but that is in all probability beyond his control--hence the reason why I and a lot of people in this forum don't give him the same grief we give the other guys.

When healthy, Newman has been exactly what we've asked and expected of him.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

You got owned in both facts and figures, then again as regards respect for Newman from scouts and coaches. You do not have the courage to admit that simple fact. You accomplished nothing except to prove your opinion has no value. Well done.

And yours has zero value to me. Thanks!

 

[SA_Gunslinger]

Newman? bull poo poo.

 

[burmafrd]

You must love the attention you get to get kicked in the teeth by just about everyone around.

Newman is a top corner. You are wrong and are too afraid to admit it. That is pathetic and your problem.

But keep posting. I like watching those like you and Kartr and others who get owned on a daily basis. I guess its my sadistic streak.

 

[Tovya]

And yours has zero value to me. Thanks!

I didn't write what you quoted me as saying, that was a quote of someone else...