Final Escobar Numbers? 30 catches for 333 yards, 8 TD

[AbeBeta]

Yeah, stupid. We drafted good players, used premium picks to do it, and never got the return on investment that we could have or should have.

So sad to see board members with no perspective.

We traded Fasano form a 4th rounder and had four years of an elite blocking TE.

No one is going to put up big numbers behind Witten but both guys played their roles very well

 

[Stash]

We traded Fasano form a 4th rounder and had four years of an elite blocking TE.

No one is going to put up big numbers behind Witten but both guys played their roles very well

It's not a condemnation of two good players, it's a criticism of bad draft planning and poor return on investment. A team should get more productivity from a draft commodity as valuable as a 2nd rounder and this team didn't.

To me, that's where the term "stupid" should be applied.

 

[cowboyblue22]

this was another example of stupid things this team does was a complete waste of a second round pick like several other second round picks they have wasted

 

[WeaponX]

For the record, despite adamantly disagreeing, I've enjoyed the conversation as well. And I hope you realize where I'm coming from.

I do man. And I appreciate the back and forth, sincerely.

Honestly, I agree with your position on the use of draft capital (although I do like the Zeke pick) I just think that we should have allocated those resources earlier - a la 2013. The only other wrinkle re: DMC is that we still probably would have had to bring in another RB last year as we wouldn't have had Murray and we never would have had Randle. Coupled with Bells suspension and then injury and we wouldn't have had anyone (which I would still prefer over Randle, ha).

 

[JW82]

Gavin Escobar's 4 year career as a Dallas Cowboys is almost certainly over.

He averaged 8 catches, 83 yards and 2 TDs per season during his tenure with Dallas.

I have this feeling he is going to go somewhere next year, start, and be a 55 reception, 700 yard guy. My only regret is that we never <really> got to see what he could do.

Anybody care to offer any guesses on where his career might go from here?

Agreed. How we couldn't figure out a way to incorporate a 6'6 guy that could run a little bit and had good hands I can't imagine.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Interestingly enough, we didn't actually miss out on much by not taking Bell. Great player, don't get me wrong, but Demarco Murray outperformed him in 2013 and they were equally impressive in 2014, then Bell was suspended and hurt last year and we all know what we got from Zeke this year. Seeing as defense has been our achilles heel, I'll rue us not taking Jamie Collins or Bennie Logan if we're going to go down that road.

No way man you take the mvp candidate over Escobar and it changes everything about got roster flexibility and decision making.

 

[Supercowboy1986]

I do man. And I appreciate the back and forth, sincerely.

Honestly, I agree with your position on the use of draft capital (although I do like the Zeke pick) I just think that we should have allocated those resources earlier - a la 2013. The only other wrinkle re: DMC is that we still probably would have had to bring in another RB last year as we wouldn't have had Murray and we never would have had Randle. Coupled with Bells suspension and then injury and we wouldn't have had anyone (which I would still prefer over Randle, ha).

I'm sure that's someone we could all live without

 

[WeaponX]

No way man you take the mvp candidate over Escobar and it changes everything about got roster flexibility and decision making.

I don't disagree with the approach or that thought process, but there's no way we know he's an MVP candidate at the time of the 2013 draft, and we had a high upside runner in Murray at the time. Very long discussion just ensued on this topic and I just feel building defense would have been the better route to go, particularly when we've gotten very good (to say the least) production out of that position.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I don't disagree with the approach or that thought process, but there's no way we know he's an MVP candidate at the time of the 2013 draft, and we had a high upside runner in Murray at the time. Very long discussion just ensued on this topic and I just feel building defense would have been the better route to go, particularly when we've gotten very good (to say the least) production out of that position.

I hear ya. And if we had bell that changes how last year goes so who knows what that does for the entire roster. zeke is better anyways but I wanted bell in 2013. I also liked russell Wilson and antonio Brown

 

[Stash]

I do man. And I appreciate the back and forth, sincerely.

Same here. I hope it never appears otherwise.

Honestly, I agree with your position on the use of draft capital (although I do like the Zeke pick) I just think that we should have allocated those resources earlier - a la 2013. The only other wrinkle re: DMC is that we still probably would have had to bring in another RB last year as we wouldn't have had Murray and we never would have had Randle. Coupled with Bells suspension and then injury and we wouldn't have had anyone (which I would still prefer over Randle, ha).

Yeah, you're right. We would have had to have devoted at least some other measure of resources to the backup spot. Maybe we could have drafted a guy like Darius Jackson last year?

My issue was with your use of the term "not missed much". Having to use a 1st round pick to fill a void that wouldn't have been there is "much". That was my point.

 

[guag]

It's like we could care less about 2nd round picks. We either trade them away or waste them on TEs.

You forgot "or use them on injured/project players or guys with severe baggage".

 

[8FOR!3]

I think Hanna might be done.

And you could be right. I think Geoff Swaim will fit right in as the #2 TE. What we've got to hope is Gathers is good enough to be his backup.

 

[WeaponX]

Same here. I hope it never appears otherwise.



Yeah, you're right. We would have had to have devoted at least some other measure of resources to the backup spot. Maybe we could have drafted a guy like Darius Jackson last year?

My issue was with your use of the term "not missed much". Having to use a 1st round pick to fill a void that wouldn't have been there is "much". That was my point.

I can get on board with that. Initially I was just referring retroactively to production, but I see your point from a draft lens. At this point I am encouraged by the early returns from Zeke and hope he is the generational talent he looks to be for years to come!

 

[Stash]

And you could be right. I think Geoff Swaim will fit right in as the #2 TE. What we've got to hope is Gathers is good enough to be his backup.

Yeah, but like I've said, replacing Escobar is a low limbo bar of expectations.

 

[khiladi]

This was all remnants of Garrett's legacy and ideas such as the two-tight end packages, when the Patriots were using Hernandez along with Gronkowski..

 

[Stash]

I can get on board with that. Initially I was just referring retroactively to production, but I see your point from a draft lens. At this point I am encouraged by the early returns from Zeke and hope he is the generational talent he looks to be for years to come!

On which I completely agree, we've got a great one!

 

[khiladi]

We e also never been a team to attack down the seams much with TEs. The guy can probably make a living with Payton and Brees..

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Esco's 4-year stats look like a 4-game run from peak Gronk. Both were second round picks.

 

[RoboQB]

Research it. It was brought up during his rookie year.
Or you could just continue with the .

 

[Ranching]

I agree with views on both sides, but if we can sign him to a cap friendly contract, I say keep him. With Hannah and Swaim both back, he won't be asked to block as much and we can use him as a big target in certain situations. He knows the offense and won't require a learning curve. He belongs in the flex position and not as an in line blocker. At 6'6" we can use him and Irving as middle rushers for long fieldgoals where the trajectory of the ball should be much lower. Don't know if he has the stones for it, though.