Five Dallas Cowboys Thoughts: How Important Is It To Draft A QB In Round One?

[NEODOG]

All this 1st round QB is NONSENSE

Cause Romo was a 1st rounder! RIGHT?

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Bottom line? Franchise QBs are rare with an average of 1 being drafted every year,,, usually in the first round. Wilson, Brady, Osweiler,Taylor and Carr are the only non-first rounders starting in this league I'd be happy with starting here. Even more rare are top 10 QBs that get away from the teams that drafted them. You want a top 10 QB? You've got to draft him, and odds are he's going to be a first rounder. Drafting this high I'd rather take a safer pick unless the coaches really like one of those top 2 QBs,,, or even trade back and take Wentz,,,


RK PLAYER

1Russell Wilson, QB

2Carson Palmer, QB

3Andy Dalton, QB

4Tom Brady, QB

5Tyrod Taylor, QB

6Drew Brees, QB

7Kirk Cousins, QB

8Cam Newton, QB

9Alex Smith, QB

10Matthew Stafford, QB

RKPLAYER

11Philip Rivers, QB

12Ben Roethlisberger, QB

13Aaron Rodgers, QB

14Eli Manning, QB

15Josh McCown, QB

16Brian Hoyer, QB

17Jay Cutler, QB

18Derek Carr, QB

19Marcus Mariota, QB

20Ryan Fitzpatrick, QB

RKPLAYER

21Teddy Bridgewater, QB

22Blake Bortles, QB

23Matt Ryan, QB

24Brock Osweiler, QB

25Ryan Tannehill, QB

26Jameis Winston, QB

27Blaine Gabbert, QB

28Sam Bradford, QB

29Matt Hasselbeck, QB

30Joe Flacco, QB

31Johnny Manziel, QB

32Colin Kaepernick, QB

33Andrew Luck, QB

34Nick Foles, QB

35Peyton Manning, QB

 

[Bleu Star]

Vitally important.

While it's true that a high percentage of 1st round QBs are busts, the facts are that most starting QBs in the NFL entered the league as high draft picks. A higher percentage than probably any other position on the field.

Do a roll call of all regular starters if you dont believe me.

It's really this simple.

 

[Bleu Star]

All this 1st round QB is NONSENSE

Cause Romo was a 1st rounder! RIGHT?

Cause lots of Romo's make it to his level... Right?

As Devil's Advocate for those of us that like to hold Romo up as some incredible Mount Rushmore, in the eyes of many who aren't Cowboys fans, he is nothing special. He hasn't won anything substantial and is clearly in the twilight of a career that has seen him overachieve greatly while taking an incredible beating year after year. He is a solid QB but please spare us with the claims that it's easy to find another Romo where we stumbled upon Romo.... THANKS

This is our one shot and it's right there in the iron sights.

 

[DFWJC]

As always, it depends on who is available and what our scouts think of them.
If there's a QB that they love and feel is worth that high of a pick, of course, take him.
Otherwise...don't

 

[Doomsday101]

I think Dallas should draft Lynch of Goff since it is a position of need and they both are considered top prospect so it is not a reach and while it is true not all QB are top picks I will say most are. Dallas would be foolish to pass this opportunity. We already had a wasted season I don't really want to see another one, this is not the time to get cute get a damn QB

 

[Bleu Star]

I think Dallas should draft Lynch of Goff since it is a position of need and they both are considered top prospect so it is not a reach and while it is true not all QB are top picks I will say most are. Dallas would be foolish to pass this opportunity. We already had a wasted season I don't really want to see another one, this is not the time to get cute get a damn QB

Goff went ballistic yesterday. 25 for 37, 460 some odd yards passing, 6 TD passes. Just sickness in a bowl game. There's something to be said for someone that rises to the occasion.

Lynch, on the other hand, really hurt his draft stock.

 

[Deep_South]

I've watched Lynch play four games and they were all losses. I'm just not seeing anything there, certainly not a first day pick.

 

[Alexander]

All this 1st round QB is NONSENSE

Cause Romo was a 1st rounder! RIGHT?

The once in a generation UDFA success story makes it oh so likely to be a trend. Sounds legit.

 

[TwoDeep3]

All the quarterbacks taken in later than the top of the first round, including the ones like Romo who were free agents and not drafted at all, were there for the choosing at the top of the first round.

Now allow that to sink in.

Montana
Brady
Rodgers
Staubach
ect

All were available at the top of the first round and not selected.

Now this is where the fan steps beyond their status as a fan and gets into the Madden aspect of this debate.

Value. "By gosh," says Mr. or Ms. Fan, "those teams got real value for their pick when they chose these players."

The only difference between Romo and Aikman in regard to how they arrived was money. And Aikman carries a label of being the first over-all selection in a draft.

(Discounting results at this point for Romo. You can substitute Brady for Romo in this statement and it equally applies.)

So the dynamics of this proposition is bragging rights for the fans. Because all of the greats who were drafted later still got huge pay checks for their era at some point. But if you looked back on their careers, or currently at their careers, and each was selected at the top of the first round, would any fan of that team whine and complain?

Not one comment would be made about spending the money.

And since this is merely bragging rights, and there may be only a small handful of fans here or elsewhere that would not agree the draft is more hardwork, married with one million other decisions on players and coaches while assembling the eventual team that surrounds the quarterbacks, plus a Pike's Peak sized pile of luck, where the players was selected is really important in the reverse of the theory by fans who preach value.

And in that context, even quarterbacks selected at the top of the first round could fail because of the front office, the coaching staff, the players around them, and the ball bouncing funny which causes them to lose.

A prime example is Russell Wilson. He had a back-to-back championship in his hands and Pete Carroll decided to not run Marshawn Lynch until they scored, but did something incredibly stupid and threw a slant in traffic. So not only did Wilson suffer in what he could deliver, yet didn't because of his head coach, but Brady capitalized on something he could not control, and now is heralded as greatness, when all he actually did was watch from the sidelines, like you and me watched in our Barco Loungers.

So in the big scheme of things, if Wilson was taken first over-all, would that have changed the outcome of a game that means everything? No, of course not.

So this comes down to some silly bragging rights for the fans - as if their team knew the guy was going to last, and was shrewd enough to wait.

But the truth is the league missed on those players, including the team that eventually drafted them. Because knowing what we all know now because of history, each organization, and 31 other teams would have drafted those players with their first round picks, and in most likelihood, they all would have been the first over-all pick in the draft.

If the front office does their job correctly, and uses the 2nd over-all through the 8th over-all pick in this draft, regardless of which they end up with, to pick a quarterback, then surrounds him with a competent defense and play makers on offense, that is all that can be expected, and the results will be what they will be.

And the prime example of this is Eli Manning. The consensus is Eli is not elite, yet he has two rings for his troubles. So all the machinations that transpire regarding taking a quarterback, and moving down for value, and what happened in the past are shot to dog poo by that example alone.

But what really makes me chuckle is there is a group of fans here that talk about value, and trading down. Each year they say the same things about getting value for the picks. They point to selections by this team and other teams that did not work out and suggest this is the foundation for picking later. As if two lesser players makes up for one more significant player. Then in the discussion about quarterbacks specifically they talk about the Brady's and Montana's and how selecting at the top of the drat is where the biggest mistakes happen.

The value chart is significant only in regard to the cost of doing business. Yet these fans will drone on about the draft and value, as if this is a business.

Well it is a business.

And since some of these very same fans are mortified by a comment the team should lose on purpose to get a better draft pick. Even though using their theory of trading down and accumulating picks is a better business decision than winning a meaningless game, I have to ask this.

Why is it a business when it comes to draft picks and cost to the team to trade away from the best players for more players, but it is not a business decision when it is positioning the team for a better draft day possibility by tanking games after the season is lost? Even if using their theory of trading away from the cream is applied when using a higher pick?

Of course the answer is mythical pride.

I submit this. San Antonio Spurs tanked games to get a shot at Tim Duncan when they had David Robinson. Think those trophies are tarnished in the eyes of the fans of San Antonio? Because they won championships with that tanking. As did Houston Rockets when they tanked for a shot at Olajuwon.

If the game is ultimately about winning, then winning can take many forms, and business decisions in lieu of trophies are the foundation for winning and championships.

 

[Jarv]

I just threw up in my mouth.


Oh crap now it's going every where.......

Staff member, why did you edit my post and throw up all over yourself. That can't be good for you.

Since I'm interested, please let me know how you feel about Tony's ability to evaluate talent. Also, note where I said "If" in my post which you edited out. Of course Tony may say JF is a wet hot mess, which is fine also.

No go clean yourself up, you want to have everyone see you this way on new years!

 

[silver]

I've watched Lynch play four games and they were all losses. I'm just not seeing anything there, certainly not a first day pick.

He'll go in the top ten after the combine and private workouts. Not saying it's right but the guy has all the tangible tools. I would draft him or Goff and let him sit and learn behind Tony for a couple of years.

 

[TwoDeep3]

I've watched Lynch play four games and they were all losses. I'm just not seeing anything there, certainly not a first day pick.

In your opinion, Nake, when the Cowboys lose with Romo under center, is it because of Romo, or the team surrounding him?

The fashionable offense in college is the read option. Much like the wishbone in the late sixties. But this guy is accurate, tall, can run, and can absolutely throw the crap out of a football.

What would Lynch be with a tutor like Romo teaching him for several years before he steps onto the playing field in earnest?

 

[NEODOG]

Cause lots of Romo's make it to his level... Right?

As Devil's Advocate for those of us that like to hold Romo up as some incredible Mount Rushmore, in the eyes of many who aren't Cowboys fans, he is nothing special. He hasn't won anything substantial and is clearly in the twilight of a career that has seen him overachieve greatly while taking an incredible beating year after year. He is a solid QB but please spare us with the claims that it's easy to find another Romo where we stumbled upon Romo.... THANKS

This is our one shot and it's right there in the iron sights.

For every Romo, Warner & Brady... Late round
undrafted & Aikman, Manning, etc etc
It's a CRAP SHOOT at best.... Drafting a 1st rounder isn't a guarantee either. We need players at different positional needs more than a back up 1st round QB

We aren't TRADING UP, giving away picks to draft MO..... We are better off staying away from QB

Yes, Danny White has more than Romo..... Who hasn't done crap IMO

 

[LatinMind]

You've seen this year what we will look like when Romo is through if we don't start addressing the QB position.

So drafting a ab in re one guarantees a ab is going to be a franchise qb? The best young qb in the nfl right now wasn't drafted in rd1. Derek Carr

 

[NEODOG]

The once in a generation UDFA success story makes it oh so likely to be a trend. Sounds legit.

But it wasn't once in a generation - Warner

It's a crap shoot with either a 1st or UDFA

I'd rather go elsewhere than QB 1st Rd.... History states failure more than success

 

[Offsides]

I would like to add Goff or Lynch. I expect Cleveland and SF probably jump on them. Not sure if the Cowboys draft before or after the Niners.

I think Wentz in round 2 or Hackenberg in Round 3 would be worthy picks. .

 

[Bleu Star]

I would like to add Goff or Lynch. I expect Cleveland and SF probably jump on them. Not sure if the Cowboys draft before or after the Niners.

I think Wentz in round 2 or Hackenberg in Round 3 would be worthy picks. .

Currently we are slotted ahead of the 9ers at 4. They're at 5. If we win Sunday like some of our mensas want, the 9ers will most likely jump ahead.

 

[Bleu Star]

For every Romo, Warner & Brady... Late round
undrafted & Aikman, Manning, etc etc
It's a CRAP SHOOT at best.... Drafting a 1st rounder isn't a guarantee either. We need players at different positional needs more than a back up 1st round QB

We aren't TRADING UP, giving away picks to draft MO..... We are better off staying away from QB

Yes, Danny White has more than Romo..... Who hasn't done crap IMO

The probability is higher to obtain a franchise QB in the early rounds vs the later rounds. Why are we having this conversation? Do you not agree with that bold statement?

 

[lukin2006]

They have the opportunity, could possibly picking in the top 5 ... over the next 2-3 years are they going to get this opportunity again? If they get 2 more years out of Romo I"d be surprise, this season could very well be a preview what the next few years are like with Romo. So it's time to roll the dice draft a QB with our number 1 if Lynch or Goff is there ... if not I would no be afraid to trade down, acquire an extra pick and roll the dice on Cook. No Harm letting a potential QB sit, learn and study the NFL game for a couple years. The problem I see is the executives running this team do not learn from history and would not surprise me if their thinking is we "found Romo without using a draft pick, we can do it again". Thats the problem with this team, they only have partial good off seasons. This year great example, Collins, Gregory and Jones are the good part of our off season, letting Murray walk with no viable plan, not addressing the right tackle position, the back up QB spot etc..