Five Dallas Cowboys Thoughts: How Important Is It To Draft A QB In Round One?

[Bleu Star]

And if so, he'll go No. 1, so what's the point? Won't be there anyway.

Don't take Lynch or Cook just because.

Joey Bosa? Ragland? Treadwell?

I agree with you regarding Lynch or Cook but Goff.. Man. I sure would love to see his name called wherever we draft.

Cleveland has been historically known to screw the pooch so the opportunity is there.

There is no "right" time. There is only opportunity. When it presents itself, you strike.

 

[Oh_Canada]

So in one year, this system went from a 13-5 system to a 4-12 system?

No, Romo is 16-5 in this system. The system is fine.

This team still needs defensive talent, another receiver, a young RB, and a better backup QB.

Mostly, it needs its elite QB to stay healthy.

That's my point, if Romo misses more than four games next season the team is toast. You need a system that can win even if you don't have near perfect health.

 

[csirl]

21 of the 32 QBs who started 2015 as their teams clear starter entered the league via the first round. A further 3 were 2nd round picks.

There are approximately 100 QBs who are on regular season rosters in any season.

Approx two thirds of the starters were drafted in the first round.

Of the approx 25 active first rounders, more than 80% are starting.

Of the approx 75 others, c.15% are starting.

The stats don't lie.

 

[tyke1doe]

Look at the history of 1st round QB's and see if we MUST draft one just to say we drafted one....people say it's a no brainer ect....

This was the thinking that got some of these guys drafted.
Blake Bortles
Johnny Manziel
EJ Manuel
Geno Smith
RG 3
Ryan Tanehill
Brandon Weeden
Jake Locker
Blaine Gabbert
Christian Ponder
Sam Bradford
Tim Tebow

Only Luck, Newton and Bridgewater are 1st picks that are working out for their teams.

It's far from a no brainer....
I actually trust Romo to do what he said and find us our next QB.
The man understand what it takes to be successful at the QB position.

Bortles is working out for his team as is Tanehill.

And Geno Smith was drafted in the second.

 

[tyke1doe]

Apparently after the Big 10 Title game he blew off Archie Griffin. Really ticked off lots of folks. That might be RG3 arrogant. That said, I just heard about it and didn't see the blow off incident myself.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...to-archie-griffin-after-blowing-off-high-five

People are making a big deal out of that?

And, really, who cares if a quarterback seems to be arrogant? If it means you're not going to listen to your coaches, okay. But if it's just a personality trait that you think you're overly confident in your abilities, so what?

 

[Bleu Star]

21 of the 32 QBs who started 2015 as their teams clear starter entered the league via the first round. A further 3 were 2nd round picks.

There are approximately 100 QBs who are on regular season rosters in any season.

Approx two thirds of the starters were drafted in the first round.

Of the approx 25 active first rounders, more than 80% are starting.

Of the approx 75 others, c.15% are starting.

The stats don't lie.

You are brilliant. Hopefully your research won't go ignored.

 

[robjay04]

yea, but that accounts for 3 of the last 10 Superbowls (2006, 2007, 2011) so I'm not sure your point. Throw in Ben Rothlisberger who was picked 11th and you have 5 of the last 11 SB winners, so what is your point?

The point is...you do not have to spend an elite draft pick to land a Super Bowl quality quarterback. You can but it doesn't necessarily give you a better chance than the team that signed their QB(Brees) or let the draft Come to them instead of forcing the issue (Rodgers, Brady, Wilson)

The Commanders invesrment was a bust only becuz of injury.

They made the move to try to draft a Franchise QB and did.

When healthy..he killed everybody.

I'd take him right now and start getting him ready.

Yes..the NFL has changed. And it also stays the same.

While guys like Vick, RG3 and Kapernick rise and fall..

guys like Brady, Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers win Championships.

So traditional QBs in mature organizations win consistantly.

We are still trying to be one of thosse mature organizations. Its a process as Garrett says.

So I still believe this is our chance to move the Franchise forward with the solid base we have.

QB will be fixed. Romo will play next year and we will be back in the mix with this next year and then we will all feel better.

RGIII hasn't proven he can play quarterback since the NFL has caught up with the read option.

Guys like Manning, Brady and Rodgers win championships. Only one of those guys were picked in the top 10. I agree with you that we need to make a QB investment...but not with our first round pick just for the sake of drafting a quarterback. If the team feels they are getting a can't miss prospect, take him....if not, take this opportunity that comes once every 20 years and get an instant impact player.

 

[erod]

That's my point, if Romo misses more than four games next season the team is toast. You need a system that can win even if you don't have near perfect health.

There is no team that can lose an elite quarterback and win a title.

 

[erod]

21 of the 32 QBs who started 2015 as their teams clear starter entered the league via the first round. A further 3 were 2nd round picks.

There are approximately 100 QBs who are on regular season rosters in any season.

Approx two thirds of the starters were drafted in the first round.

Of the approx 25 active first rounders, more than 80% are starting.

Of the approx 75 others, c.15% are starting.

The stats don't lie.

And most of them are gawd awful, and their team has a losing record.

I'm not interested in crappy starting first-round quarterbacks. I'm only interested in good ones.

 

[DandyDon52]

yes it depends on who the cowboys thinks is worth a 1st round pick and if he is still there on their turn.
Otherwise they will pick another position.

If they like lynch and he falls to their turn then yeah get him.
but the key is their evaluations, and do they like lynch and value him as a 1st rounder.
and also since they think Romo can play another 50 years, they may just want a lower round qb to be bkup.

my take on it is I want a starter for a bkup. I dont see why you want a definite inferior guy as bkup.

 

[csirl]

And most of them are gawd awful, and their team has a losing record.

I'm not interested in crappy starting first-round quarterbacks. I'm only interested in good ones.

Of the 14 teams who have already qualified or are still officially in the hunt, 9 have ex-first rounders.

 

[KJJ]

Add Cousins, Brees, Foles/Keenum, Fitzpatrick, Dalton/McCarron to the list.

Doubt many would be happy with Foles who got benched by the Rams or a journeyman like Fitzpatrick "starting." Fitzpatrick has played pretty well but he's playing for his 6th team and I don't see him as a long-term answer.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Add Cousins, Brees, Foles/Keenum, Fitzpatrick, Dalton/McCarron to the list.

I'll add Brees and Dalton,,, you can keep the rest.

 

[weaver21]

It would be sweet if Wentz somehow dropped to the early second round and we could pick him up, but I doubt he'll get past the Texans. I personally would pick Goff and let him sit behind Romo to develop and learn. It's clear Cassel or Moore are not the answer at the backup position and I would feel more comfortable sending out a rookie like Goff out in the field if Romo gets injured again. Let's be honest, Romo is getting dangerously close to calling it a career, especially if the injuries keep piling up as he gets older. When Aikman retired, we went several years without a franchise quarterback until Tony came along and I definitely don't want to see that again. If Goff gets past the Browns, I sincerely hope he'll be wearing a Cowboys uniform next year.

 

[csirl]

A lot of posters have raised the issue of the high percentage of first round QB busts. This is a legitimate concern.

One thing that has struck me over the years is how easy it is to predict the busts. Filtering out these obvious busts significantly reduces the risk.

QBs need a combination of athletic and QB skills. In the NCAA being more athletic can overcome a lot of skill deficiencies. Whereas in the NFL, the QB skills become much more important. Most of the busts share some or all of the following it scouting reports:

- Superior athletic skills which overcome skill deficiencies at college level.
- Good athlete, will need coaching on fundamentals.
- Looks good, but will need to learn pro style offense.
- has additional weapons e.g. running skills.
- Canon arm, needs refinement.

I always say "the eye doesn't lie". If you watch any college QB ask yourself does this guy look like an NFL QB? Forget about stats. Forget whether they are on the winning team. If there are any buts...., then the answer is no.

NFL QBs always look like it in college.

Because of the above, Im worried about Paxton Lynch - is he simply a bigger stronger athlete.

Conversely, Goff looks the part.

 

[Clove]

Goff went ballistic yesterday. 25 for 37, 460 some odd yards passing, 6 TD passes. Just sickness in a bowl game. There's something to be said for someone that rises to the occasion.

Lynch, on the other hand, really hurt his draft stock.

This means a lot to me. Showing up in vital games is crucial. If I have to reach a little to get this kid, so be it. Whatever we've done in the last 2 decades hasn't worked, so if this doesn't work, so be it. It's time to pick a QB, and I think the guy is Goff.

Sit him on the bench, have him learn learn learn. Play him every chance you get, and for goodness sake, get another coordinator or move Garrett out. I'm not looking at defensive player or anything else before I look at QB.

 

[Bleu Star]

This means a lot to me. Showing up in vital games is crucial. If I have to reach a little to get this kid, so be it. Whatever we've done in the last 2 decades hasn't worked, so if this doesn't work, so be it. It's time to pick a QB, and I think the guy is Goff.

Sit him on the bench, have him learn learn learn. Play him every chance you get, and for goodness sake, get another coordinator or move Garrett out. I'm not looking at defensive player or anything else before I look at QB.

I'm right there with you bro. Keeping the faith as usual.

 

[NeonNinja]

All this 1st round QB is NONSENSE

Cause Romo was a 1st rounder! RIGHT?

Yeah, let's hedge our future on an outlier. Brilliant.

 

[Clove]

Also, this offensive system works because of Romo......you're willing to spend a 1st on a QB that? Weeden was told exactly what to do, so that's a waste of 1st Rd talent on the QB spot. No WAY do I waste a 1st on our regime at the QB spot. We'd won more games this year with better coaching/sxheme

What exactly have we drafted in the 1st that has put us in position to win a Super Bowl in the last 2 decades? Whatever we draft, outside of QB, is NOT going to make us super bowl contenders, not saying QB will, but I'm not ignoring this position, or relying on this inept staff to find one in the later rounds.

 

[superonyx]

A lot of posters have raised the issue of the high percentage of first round QB busts. This is a legitimate concern.

One thing that has struck me over the years is how easy it is to predict the busts. Filtering out these obvious busts significantly reduces the risk.

QBs need a combination of athletic and QB skills. In the NCAA being more athletic can overcome a lot of skill deficiencies. Whereas in the NFL, the QB skills become much more important. Most of the busts share some or all of the following it scouting reports:

- Superior athletic skills which overcome skill deficiencies at college level.
- Good athlete, will need coaching on fundamentals.
- Looks good, but will need to learn pro style offense.
- has additional weapons e.g. running skills.
- Canon arm, needs refinement.

I always say "the eye doesn't lie". If you watch any college QB ask yourself does this guy look like an NFL QB? Forget about stats. Forget whether they are on the winning team. If there are any buts...., then the answer is no.

NFL QBs always look like it in college.

Because of the above, Im worried about Paxton Lynch - is he simply a bigger stronger athlete.

Conversely, Goff looks the part.

I believe the reason so many first round QB's bust is because they were not really good enough to be drafted in the first round. Any team that is targeting a QB in the first round generally really needs a QB and they reach for one in fear of not having the one they want available when they pick.

The position is so important that it causes teams to reach and grab one that really only gets a first or second round grade because the QB class is weak that year or a few teams are really desperate for that franchise QB.

Where would Lynch and Goff be drafted if they had Winston and Mariotta coming out this year with them?