For The TO Fans... A Highlight Video

[Idgit]

Idgit, I agree the execution sucked, but I also feel that Garrett didn't put his offense in the best place to succeed

I think there's a difference in players just not executing their assignments, and an offensive coordinator leaving them out to dry

the O was tough on the linemen, which in turn made it tough on Romo

To be clear, I'm not absolving Garrett, either, when I say execution was the problem, because it falls on him to make sure the players execute. I also think there were several games where he didn't adjust quickly enough, and it cost us. It might have even cost us the playoffs.

I just don't think the problems on offense last year were all Garrett. At some point, the players need to take responsibility for the penalties. We're not talking an average number of penalties. We were the worst in the league. That's a failure for everyone on the offensive side of the ball right there.

 

[khiladi]

because garrett is of the Norv mold.

the passing game should open up the running game, and vice versa, it's entirely possible Garrett and the coaching staff didn't have confidence in choice or an injured barber.


It's easy to look back and say, "choice was ready, obviously" but that's hindsight.

This is a myth. Jason Garrett is in the mold of Mike Martz. Norv Turner's offenses are predicated on play-action. His OL is smash-mouth, and he very rarely operated out of shot-gun. Norv Turner runs the ball. Jason Garrett very rarely employed play-action, had Tony Romo in shot-gun the whole time, passed downfield on first down often and got his QB sacked plenty, just like Mike Martz.

 

[khiladi]

To be clear, I'm not absolving Garrett, either, when I say execution was the problem, because it falls on him to make sure the players execute. I also think there were several games where he didn't adjust quickly enough, and it cost us. It might have even cost us the playoffs.


I just don't think the problems on offense last year were all Garrett. At some point, the players need to take responsibility for the penalties. We're not talking an average number of penalties. We were the worst in the league. That's a failure for everyone on the offensive side of the ball right there.

Part of the OCs responsibility is establishing consistency. Penalites are a result of a team being out-of-sync. Further, penalties are often dictated by the defense confusing the offense. When your now well-coached, penalties can increase. Further, people act as if execution isn't somehow dictated by the defense. A good defense can force bad execution and a predictable offense makes execution bad. If it was all about execution, we might as well have ran Deion Anderson all the time, right down field..

 

[Bob Sacamano]

To be clear, I'm not absolving Garrett, either, when I say execution was the problem, because it falls on him to make sure the players execute. I also think there were several games where he didn't adjust quickly enough, and it cost us. It might have even cost us the playoffs.

I just don't think the problems on offense last year were all Garrett. At some point, the players need to take responsibility for the penalties. We're not talking an average number of penalties. We were the worst in the league. That's a failure for everyone on the offensive side of the ball right there.

then we are of one mind

 

[khiladi]

I honestly think they were counting on tony's escapability way too much last season, and as time went by tony got worn down, and he was already hurting.

If Garrett is as smart as his education and his football pedigree would suggest this is the season to judge him on.


I suspect he will surprise a ton of his detractors.

Which is about as absurd as it gets, because Tony Romo was saying how he was trying to be like Tom Brady in the pocket and not run around. He was obviously being told to do so. The fact is, Garrett's offense was predictable and Tony Romo was running around, because Garrett's schemes sucked...

 

[Doomsday101]

This is a myth. Jason Garrett is in the mold of Mike Martz. Norv Turner's offenses are predicated on play-action. His OL is smash-mouth, and he very rarely operated out of shot-gun. Norv Turner runs the ball. Jason Garrett very rarely employed play-action, had Tony Romo in shot-gun the whole time, passed downfield on first down often and got his QB sacked plenty, just like Mike Martz.

The Greatest Show on Turf was the nickname for the offense fielded by the St. Louis Rams offense during 1999, 2000, and 2001 National Football League seasons. The offense employed was a high-scoring attack designed by offensive coordinator Mike Martz. The offense relied on getting all five receivers out into patterns that combined stretched the field, setting up defensive backs with route technique and the Quarterback throwing to a spot on time where the receiver can catch and turn up field. Pass protection is critical to success because at least two of the five receivers will run a deep in, skinny post, comeback, speed out, or shallow cross. Mike Martz credits the offensive system as being influenced by Sid Gillman and refined by NFL coach Don Coryell. Martz learned the so called 3 digit system the offense is famous for from Norv Turner when they were both in Washington. The Rams set a new NFL record for total offensive yards in 2000, with 7,335. 5,492 of those were passing yards, also a new NFL team record.


Dallas and Garrett do not run the Mike Martz offense, do we use routs from it of course so does everyone else. Only myth I see is the ones you love to spread around daily as you have a bone for Jason Garrett. I would agree he has to do a better job than last year but I can't think of many on this team or staff that I could not say the same thing about.

 

[khiladi]

People act as if our offense was figured out only last year. The offense was figured out at the end of 2007. The offense stalled in the second-half of the Carolina game, when TO went out. Before that game, he had 5 catches and was lighting up the field. When the Cowboys played the Commanders, Barber rushed for negative yardage and they kept Romo in for a hald to try and get him the Dallas record. They needed a very minimal amount of yardage, so nobody can argue they weren't trying, especially considering they were risking the health of Romo. The Giants play-off game set the precedent against this offense, when the DL took advantage of the play-calling of Garrett in the second-half, trying to go pass-happy and take big shots. The OL couldn't hold up and Tony Romo was running for his life. They could afford to take that risk, because Garrett's was long-developing. In the second game against Philly in 2007, the Eagles set a precedent of taking out the check-down to Barber, especially on 3rd down. Teams did it all year long in 2008.

 

[khiladi]

Dallas and Garrett do not run the Mike Martz offense, do we use routs from it of course so does everyone else. Only myth I see is the ones you love to spread around daily as you have a bone for Jason Garrett. I would agree he has to do a better job than last year but I can't think of many on this team or staff that I could not say the same thing about.

Let me repeat what I said:This is a myth. Jason Garrett is in the MOLD of Mike Martz. Norv Turner's offenses are predicated on PLAY-ACTION. His OL is SMASH-MOUTH, and he very rarely operated out of shot-gun. Norv Turner RUNS the ball. Jason Garrett VERY RARELY employed play-action, had Tony Romo in shot-gun the whole time, passed downfield on first down often and got his QB sacked plenty, just like Mike Martz.Where did I say he runs the exact same offense, though they stem from the same source. And by the way, 2000-2003 is not 2008. Garrett was good in 2007, until he got figured out, like Martz. Since Martz got figured out, yawn... Plus, Marshall Faulk was one of the greatest if not greatest pass-catching RBs to come out of the game...

 

[Four]

Which is about as absurd as it gets, because Tony Romo was saying how he was trying to be like Tom Brady in the pocket and not run around. He was obviously being told to do so. The fact is, Garrett's offense was predictable and Tony Romo was running around, because Garrett's schemes sucked...

you throw around your opinions and call them facts, it doesn't mean they are actually facts.

you make way too many assumptions based on limited knowledge.

Romo said he wanted to be more like brady with his pocket awareness, said he spent time in the off season watching film of how brady moves in the pocket, rather than scrambles.

where do you get that he was "obviously being told to do so"

crap like those statements is why people dismiss you so easily.

and you are way off on the mike martz thing, the shotguns were a result of the o-line not protecting well enough, shotgun, in theory, should provide a better view of the field and give the QB a little extra time back there.

has Garrett ever worked with martz?

 

[Doomsday101]

Let me repeat what I said:This is a myth. Jason Garrett is in the MOLD of Mike Martz. Norv Turner's offenses are predicated on PLAY-ACTION. His OL is SMASH-MOUTH, and he very rarely operated out of shot-gun. Norv Turner RUNS the ball. Jason Garrett VERY RARELY employed play-action, had Tony Romo in shot-gun the whole time, passed downfield on first down often and got his QB sacked plenty, just like Mike Martz.Where did I say he runs the exact same offense, though they stem from the same source. And by the way, 2000-2003 is not 2008. Garrett was good in 2007, until he got figured out, like Martz. Since Martz got figured out, yawn... Plus, Marshall Faulk was one of the greatest if not greatest pass-catching RBs to come out of the game...

I read what you said and while I think this team needs to run the ball more and expect that they will this is not a Mike Martz type offense you are so full of it. I guess if you come in here and say it daily then it is all true well it isn't. However please contine with the daily Garrett raves you do I would not expect anything different

 

[khiladi]

you throw around your opinions and call them facts, it doesn't mean they are actually facts.

you make way too many assumptions based on limited knowledge.

Romo said he wanted to be more like brady with his pocket awareness, said he spent time in the off season watching film of how brady moves in the pocket, rather than scrambles.

where do you get that he was "obviously being told to do so"

crap like those statements is why people dismiss you so easily.

and you are way off on the mike martz thing, the shotguns were a result of the o-line not protecting well enough, shotgun, in theory, should provide a better view of the field and give the QB a little extra time back there.


has Garrett ever worked with martz?

It's amazing how points sail over a person's head. You stated that the Cowboys relied on Tony Romo to make plays on his feet, when Tony Romo was alluding the beginning of the season that he was practicing to stay in the pocket more and not run around and scramble. If the Cowboys were relying on him to make plays on his feet, then how come he was trying to learn how to stay in the pocket and not scramble? He was scrambling because he had to, and he had to, because Garrett's schemes sucked. Further, your whole argument that Dallas operated out of shot-gun because pressure was there is another fallacy. Shot-gun was heavily used by the Cowboys no matter the quarter. Garrett even employed two-tight end sets in the shot-gun, but he never thought to himself to throw some screens, or roll Tony out of the pocket... I especially love his line TO up in the back-field and have him run play... Brilliant!

 

[Bob Sacamano]

It's amazing how points sail over a person's head. You stated that the Cowboys relied on Tony Romo to make plays on his feet, when Tony Romo was alluding the beginning of the season that he was practicing to stay in the pocket more and not run around and scramble. If the Cowboys were relying on him to make plays on his feet, then how come he was trying to learn how to stay in the pocket and not scramble? He was scrambling because he had to, and he had to, because Garrett's schemes sucked. Further, your whole argument that Dallas operated out of shot-gun because pressure was there is another fallacy. Shot-gun was heavily used by the Cowboys no matter the quarter. Garrett even employed two-tight end sets in the shot-gun, but he never thought to himself to throw some screens, or roll Tony out of the pocket... I especially love his line TO up in the back-field and have him run play... Brilliant!

 

[Four]

It's amazing how points sail over a person's head. You stated that the Cowboys relied on Tony Romo to make plays on his feet, when Tony Romo was alluding the beginning of the season that he was practicing to stay in the pocket more and not run around and scramble. If the Cowboys were relying on him to make plays on his feet, then how come he was trying to learn how to stay in the pocket and not scramble? He was scrambling because he had to, and he had to, because Garrett's schemes sucked. Further, your whole argument that Dallas operated out of shot-gun because pressure was there is another fallacy. Shot-gun was heavily used by the Cowboys no matter the quarter. Garrett even employed two-tight end sets in the shot-gun, but he never thought to himself to throw some screens, or roll Tony out of the pocket... I especially love his line TO up in the back-field and have him run play... Brilliant!

it's like talking to a brick wall

early in the season, prior to the injuries, People were *****ing that tony needed to stop trying to be like brady and go back to being tony.

then when the line is hit with injuries tony has to go back to scrambling, because we no longer had the players. So he goes back to being tony, and now you say it's Garrett's fault because his scheme sucks...

so, Garrett should have abandoned his scheme, with backups playing the line, he should have installed a new system, with backups playing on the line?

if he had done that you would be *****ing about it now, just like you are complaining anyways about something completely different.

and the TO comment was really silly, you can't pass the ball to him because of protection issues, so rather than deal with his constant complaining they found a way to get him the ball. You think that will be called at all now that TO isn't on the team? But I bet you twist it into us no longer having a player capable as owens to run it. Which clearly is because Garrett's scheme sucks.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

you throw around your opinions and call them facts, it doesn't mean they are actually facts.

you make way too many assumptions based on limited knowledge.

Romo said he wanted to be more like brady with his pocket awareness, said he spent time in the off season watching film of how brady moves in the pocket, rather than scrambles.

where do you get that he was "obviously being told to do so"

crap like those statements is why people dismiss you so easily.

and you are way off on the mike martz thing, the shotguns were a result of the o-line not protecting well enough, shotgun, in theory, should provide a better view of the field and give the QB a little extra time back there.

has Garrett ever worked with martz?

Romo actually said that he wanted to emulate how Brady stood in the pocket

 

[Four]

Romo actually said that he wanted to emulate how Brady stood in the pocket

brady doesn't just stand there, it's a subtle move left right or forward.

That's standing tall in the pocket, rather than scrambling. Which was the whole point.

too many fans took it as tony wants to stand flat footed in the pocket, which is no where close to what he was trying to do.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

"By your own admission, I never denied these facts; therefore, I could not have been wrong about them. So you were either lying or egregiously mistaken when you asserted that I was wrong about them."You were wrong about your ASSERTIONS.

Because I never made the assertion that you've attributed to me, my point remains: You're either lying or you're egregiously mistaken. So which is it?

Your now long-winded posts about semantics is further amusing. No matter the semantic arguments your playing, doesn't change the reality of the situation.

Once again, you demonstrate ignorance of the meaning of a word you're trying to use. There's a quantifiable difference between the number of passes caught by a receiver and the number of passes thrown to a receiver. This difference is statistically verifiable, and is certainly not a matter of semantics.

Again, you claim that Garrett abandoned the run because of trying to force the ball to TO. No matter how many times you perpetuate the notion that it is the case, all evidece points otherwise. That is just the reality of it. Miles Austin was targetted, Witten was targetted, Crayton was targetted... The TOP favored the Commanders, Garrett has always favored the pass... It is what it is..

Actually, there's a sizable body of evidence suggesting that Garrett was trying to placate TO, as I explained here, here, here, and here.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

brady doesn't just stand there, it's a subtle move left right or forward.

That's standing tall in the pocket, rather than scrambling. Which was the whole point.

too many fans took it as tony wants to stand flat footed in the pocket, which is no where close to what he was trying to do.

still, Brady doesn't move around in the pocket, or step up into it to makes plays

either way, Romo doesn't have Brady's arm, so he can't emulate standing tall in the pocket to make a throw, and his movement is what makes Tony...Tony

take that away from him, and he's just another good QB, not top 5 though

 

[Idgit]

It's amazing how points sail over a person's head. You stated that the Cowboys relied on Tony Romo to make plays on his feet, when Tony Romo was alluding the beginning of the season that he was practicing to stay in the pocket more and not run around and scramble. If the Cowboys were relying on him to make plays on his feet, then how come he was trying to learn how to stay in the pocket and not scramble? He was scrambling because he had to, and he had to, because Garrett's schemes sucked. Further, your whole argument that Dallas operated out of shot-gun because pressure was there is another fallacy. Shot-gun was heavily used by the Cowboys no matter the quarter. Garrett even employed two-tight end sets in the shot-gun, but he never thought to himself to throw some screens, or roll Tony out of the pocket... I especially love his line TO up in the back-field and have him run play... Brilliant!

Romo actually said that he wanted to emulate how Brady stood in the pocket

We Cowboy fans are blowing this Brady-emulation thing way out of proportion. How unusual for us! Romo said last offseason that he noticed that, like most QBs, he tended to step forward in the pocket on pump-fakes, with the result that he ended up moving slightly toward the rush on some passing plays. He noticed that Brady had trained himself to stay stationary in those situations and that it bought an extra fraction of a second that could make a difference on some plays.

Tony wasn't changing his game, or trying to be someone else. He was doing what Tony does every offseason: looking for ways to make himself more efficient.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

We Cowboy fans are blowing this Brady-emulation thing way out of proportion. How unusual for us! Romo said last offseason that he noticed that, like most QBs, he tended to step forward in the pocket on pump-fakes, with the result that he ended up moving slightly toward the rush on some passing plays. He noticed that Brady had trained himself to stay stationary in those situations and that it bought an extra fraction of a second that could make a difference on some plays.

Tony wasn't changing his game, or trying to be someone else. He was doing what Tony does every offseason: looking for ways to make himself more efficient.

yeah, but did you watch how Tony played last year?

he stood tall in the pocket and alot of his passes fluttered and/or got away from him

 

[SLATEmosphere]

still, Brady doesn't move around in the pocket, or step up into it to makes plays

either way, Romo doesn't have Brady's arm, so he can't emulate standing tall in the pocket to make a throw, and his movement is what makes Tony...Tony

take that away from him, and he's just another good QB, not top 5 though

Romo and Brady are completly different players. I never got why Romo wanted to be something he wasn't capable of. Brady is extremely accurate and his decision making dwarfs Romo's. Romo makes plays that Brady can't even dream of though. Romo just needs to go back to being Romo! Not some poor mans Tom Brady.