FWIW Schefter talks T.O. on Dan Patrick show this AM

[Bob Sacamano]

quick, name the #1 WR on the past 5 Super Bowl winners...

 

[Stash]

Oh yea... he's the gasoline that makes this engine roar....

And yet it's somehow all his 'fault' that this team went 9-7?

I could write a list of 'names to blame' for this team's disappointing season and it would take me a good while to get to the name Owens.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

What does Mooch have to do with anything?

 

[DallasEast]

Of course your contradicting yourself.

You stated that the passing offense was suffering from ills. Yo stated that his speaking did not cure these ills, which predicates that his words had no bearing on the suffering of this offense. Now you have changed the argument, contradicting yourself again, by saying it had zero bearing on improving the performance of the passing offense whatsoever.

Further, if it did not improve the passing offense, then what makes you think it negatively impacted the passing offense. The only legitimate argument you can make is to argue the team wasn't suffering offensively before TO opened his mouth with Deion, which is BS. The offense was already suffering before the Deion interview. Most analysts connected this when Green Bay started pressing over the top, with safety help on TO.

Good grief.

There is no contradiction. Nothing Terrell Owens has said publicly has or will improve the passing offense. That fact will not change not matter how much you wish it.

You are correct about the BS. It is BS that Owens attempted to coach the offense outside the proper structure of the team.

Your whole assumption is that success of an offense is predicated purely on execution. If that was the case, we should have been able to hand the ball off to Deion Anderson everytime and scored at will. ALso, you haven't established that opening one's mouth can negatively impact a team.

Who says he didn't address it privately? By the end of the season, Jason Garrett had a meeting with all 3 of his receivers, and what good did it to? Did he change his strategizing? WIth all the emphasis on the run, why did Jason Garrett continue to abanadon the run? With all the emphasis on reigning in Tony Romo, why did Jason Garrett continue to have him throw downfield all the time and not use a short passing game? Hell, even Wade pointed these things out during the year...

Sometimes you need to throw dynamite to get people's attention...

So execution will now be downplayed for improving the offense. Nice.

I've never seen a team succeed by publicly venting (for lack of a better word) to the media. I suppose I never will.

Again, any and all concerns should have been handled privately. No exceptions.

Whenever Terrell Owens has "discussed" how he has/is being improperly used by a team according to him, he has rarely (I'll give him the benefit of the doubt) thrown firecrackers. However, he has, in your own words, thrown dynamite. Of course, the one thing about dynamite is that it doesn't simply go bang and smoke a little. It tends to destroy everything within it's blast radius. That would get anyone's attention. Getting my arse blown off would certainly capture mine, believe me.

 

[DuaneThomas71]

Answer the question.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Mooch is as soft as they come.

His entire team walked all over him in Detroit.

I wouldn't consider Reid 'soft' unless you're talking about his physique.

But I seem to remember that Reid had some just cause that I haven't seen the Dallas coaches have.

Mooch benched owens after the star incodent. That's soft?

Your right about Reid.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

So would you have thought the Cowboys were Super Bowl bound last season if Owens had gone down for the season in week 1?

No, but that would've been based on last year, not this year.

Right now I'd say we'd have a better chance without him.

And you still didn't explain your contradictory comments that we absolutely need him to have any chance of a Super Bowl... Yet no other team would take him if we cut him.

If he's so good -- and we'd obviously be so stupid to cut him -- why wouldn't anyone else (everyone else?) want him?

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Answer the question.

I can't, I'm to busy laughing that you don't know.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

How many years did it take Andy Reid to bench McNabb, despite all the hollering in the media?

He benched him because he thought he was playing poorly and that would wake him up. He was right and it worked. Now what does that have to do with any of this conversation?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

we have Roy WIlliams, I don't understand why making an example of TO would be a bad move

 

[khiladi]

quick, name the #1 WR on the past 5 Super Bowl winners...

Are you saying the Patriots would have gone 18-1 without Randy Moss and the Giants would have won without Plaxico Burress? Are you saying the Cardinals would have made it to the SB, without the heroics of Larry Fitzgerald? How about the Colts and Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne, with Wayne essentially being a number 1 receiver. Hones Ward is a beast and Santonio Holmes, is legitimately a number 1 receiver as well, drafted out of the first round. He was the Steelers numebr 1 receiver in 2007.

 

[DuaneThomas71]

No, but that would've been based on last year, not this year.

Right now I'd say we'd have a better chance without him.

And you still didn't explain your contradictory comments that we absolutely need him to have any chance of a Super Bowl... Yet no other team would take him if we cut him.

If he's so good -- and we'd obviously be so stupid to cut him -- why wouldn't anyone else (everyone else?) want him?

Straw man argument. I never said that we'd absolutely need him for any chance at the Super Bowl. He is, however, one of the team's best and most indispensable players. It would be very difficult to replace him.

Other teams wouldn't take him because they're not as familiar with him and are more apt to think that a 35-year-old receiver, coming off one of his worst seasons in terms of production, is worth the perceived "hassle." And if he's released from another team in the midst of this perception, it'll signal that there's something wrong.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Are you saying the Patriots would have gone 18-1 without Randy Moss and the Giants would have won without Plaxico Burress? Are you saying the Cardinals would have made it to the SB, without the heroics of Larry Fitzgerald? How about the Colts and Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne, with Wayne essentially being a number 1 receiver. Hones Ward is a beast and Santonio Holmes, is legitimately a number 1 receiver as well, drafted out of the first round. He was the Steelers numebr 1 receiver in 2007.

Is Hones related to Hinnes? J/k

 

[khiladi]

He benched him because he thought he was playing poorly and that would wake him up. He was right and it worked. Now what does that have to do with any of this conversation?

He was getting blasted in the media prior to this 'benching'. This wasn't the only year McNabb was getting criticized. The year Garcia took them to the play-offs, McNabb was playing horrible and the city wanted him benched. An injury forced Reid's hand.

Your argument is that TO ruined a 'strong' coach...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Are you saying the Patriots would have gone 18-1 without Randy Moss

their O still got smothered in the Super Bowl

and the Giants would have won without Plaxico Burress?




Are you saying the Cardinals would have made it to the SB, without the heroics of Larry Fitzgerald? How about the Colts and Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne, with Wayne essentially being a number 1 receiver. Hones Ward is a beast and Santonio Holmes, is legitimately a number 1 receiver as well, drafted out of the first round. He was the Steelers numebr 1 receiver in 2007.

don't we still have Roy Williams on the roster?

you don't need a top 5 WR to win a Super Bowl, and you certainly don't need 2, top 10-15 WRs to do it

 

[1fisher]

quick, name the #1 WR on the past 5 Super Bowl winners...

Oh, Snap!

 

[DuaneThomas71]

I can't, I'm to busy laughing that you don't know.

Apparently you don't know.

Steve Mariucci and Terrell Owens continued to work together until Mooch was fired following the 2002 season. So Mooch stuck it out through whatever difficulties they may have had, unlike what people here are suggesting we should do with Owens because Wade Phillips/Jason Garrett supposedly can't "handle him."

 

[Stash]

Mooch benched owens after the star incodent. That's soft?

Your right about Reid.

He was suspended and fined one game for nearly inciting a riot!

And Mariucci is supposedly some tough guy because of that?

He lost complete control before he was fired in Detroit.

Like Wade Phillips, Mariucci is a nice guy.

And we know where they finish...

 

[1fisher]

Is Hones related to Hinnes? J/k

who is Hinnes? :laugh2:

 

[khiladi]

we have Roy WIlliams, I don't understand why making an example of TO would be a bad move

Roy Williams blasted Garrett and defended TO... If both number 1 receiver's blame Garrett, then why is TO being criticized? Roy openly said Garrett used him on one slant the whole season, and that was the Eagles game, the very last game of the season. And the slant is his bread-and-butter...