FWST Blog: Secondary Re-Shuffling... Scandrick to safety?

[DR.WARE]

i would approve

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Unless we get a couple more quality corners I don't like this idea cause now we'd be turning an area of strength back into one of weakness.

I guess I'm not sure how the Cowboys would be doing that because they would not have to bring in a 3rd corner when facing 3 WR sets.

 

[YosemiteSam]

What do you mean?

Eugene Wilson was a pretty good corner at Illinois and the Pat's drafted him in the second round-- he almost immediately became their starter at FS.

What I mean is I believe Scandrick has shutdown cornor ability. You want to waste that ability playing zone and covering RBs and TEs?

Personally, I think Scandrick has show more shutdown (and play making) ability than Jenkins. Yet we want to relegate Scandrick to safety?

I understand them not waiting to put Jenkins at safety since he has issues playing zone. ...well playing in space for that matter since he wussed out making that take against the Giants and blamed the front seven.

 

[AsthmaField]

With the way free and strong safeties are playing these days, it really isn't that big of a deal moving Scandrick to FS. He's going to be on the field a whole lot and in coverage a whole lot. Safeties, like Bill Belichick said the other day, are basically strong CB's these days.

I trust Phillips on defense. Scandrick is going to play and play a lot... that's all I care about.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Also to note, he is kind of small for FS in todays NFL. The prototypical safeties that teams are looking for today are '6+ and 210lbs+.

NFL.com says Scandrick is 5'10 192lbs.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Ball weighs 176 pounds, he'll get killed at safety. I mean literally killed, Jacobs will end his life on the field.

True, but if he gets to 185/190 what is the real difference between that and a just barely 200 lbs safety?

 

[YosemiteSam]

True, but if he gets to 185/190 what is the real difference between that and a just barely 200 lbs safety?

You would be surprised what 10lbs means on the football field.

 

[Rack]

What I mean is I believe Scandrick has shutdown cornor ability. You want to waste that ability playing zone and covering RBs and TEs?

You have a distorted view of Scandrick's abilities. I agree he has the potential to be a really good CB, but not a "Shutdown CB". To me, a Shutdown CB has to be great in press coverage. Scandrick is weak in that area, he's much better playing off the reciever. My guess is the cowboys probably want to press more next season (something Jenkins is actually good at) so having Jenkins and Newman as the starters and a very good coverage FS (who is already good at playing "Off" the reciever) is a better 3 man combo then Scandrick and Newman at CB and Hamlin at FS.


Plus, if we make Scandrick the starting CB then only ONE position improves as far as coverage goes. You put scandrick at FS, Hamlin at SS, and Jenkins at CB and THREE positions improve in coverage.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

What I mean is I believe Scandrick has shutdown cornor ability. You want to waste that ability playing zone and covering RBs and TEs?

Personally, I think Scandrick has show more shutdown (and play making) ability than Jenkins. Yet we want to relegate Scandrick to safety?

I understand them not waiting to put Jenkins at safety since he has issues playing zone. ...well playing in space for that matter since he wussed out making that take against the Giants and blamed the front seven.

It might be because he would still be playing the slot. And quite often the opposing team puts their best WR in the slot, therefore Scandrick would be able to utilize his talents to the fullest.

If nothing else it seems that Scandick is the far better slot guy than what Jenkins is. Think of the potential confusion...

Running downs-- Scandrick is at one corner, Newman is at the other with Jenkins at FS.

Passing downs-- Scandrick moves inside to cover the slot and Jenkins goes to the outside--- Don't you think that would be mighty confusing for young players?

Then you have the whole tackling thing in which there doesn't seem to be a comparison between the two-- we know which one is better at this point.

 

[Hostile]

I'm not crazy about this idea. I'd have much rather signed Shawn Springs as the FS. I don't think Hamlin is a good SS. Draft Chung.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

You would be surprised what 10lbs means on the football field.

Eugene Wilson 5'10 195lbs

Orlando Scandrick 5'10 192lbs

 

[Texan_Eph89]

How about we go pick up Sean Jones and let Scandrick do his thing at the slot...

 

[Rack]

I'm not crazy about this idea. I'd have much rather signed Shawn Springs as the FS. I don't think Hamlin is a good SS. Draft Chung.

Hamlin is a poor tackler, but the coverage improves at SS now (though not by a whole lot IMO).


I like the move, but I still want us to draft a SS.



But if Clay Matthews is available with our first pick, we need to take him. Ellis is nothing and SPencer has shown nothing.

If they can replace Carp after his rookie year, they can certainly replace SPencer after 2 years (who has actually done LESS than Carp did when he got his opportunities to play).

 

[BruceWayne]

I'm all for it. The best players need to be on the field every down and besides the way teams are playing 4 and 5 wide we need somebody back there that can cover and has range.

 

[Vintage]

Hamlin is a poor tackler, but the coverage improves at SS now (though not by a whole lot IMO).


I like the move, but I still want us to draft a SS.



But if Clay Matthews is available with our first pick, we need to take him. Ellis is nothing and SPencer has shown nothing.

If they can replace Carp after his rookie year, they can certainly replace SPencer after 2 years (who has actually done LESS than Carp did when he got his opportunities to play).

You are way off bro.

Spencer has shown a far better knack at getting arrested than Carp.

FAR better.

 

[jobberone]

I'm not crazy about this idea. I'd have much rather signed Shawn Springs as the FS. I don't think Hamlin is a good SS. Draft Chung.

I can understand why you feel that way. This experiment may very well not work. Hopefully it does as it gets Scandrick and Jenkins on the field all three downs.

Until we get a better cover saftey (CS) or hybrid CB then its worth a shot. But I agree we need to have a CS who can tackle well and we need a SS who can cover. I don't care if its a CB who can tackle and is big enough or a true SS who can cover well. Whatever you label that person he's still a big DB who can tackle better than the rest of your DBs and has the instincts for the position.

I see you're still wanting Chung. We could do way way worse.

 

[jchap2k]

I'm all for it. The best players need to be on the field every down and besides the way teams are playing 4 and 5 wide we need somebody back there that can cover and has range.

I tend to agree. We do need to draft a safety with our first pick though IMO. This would give us some depth at Safety, and should a CB get hurt, Scandrick can move back to CB to provide depth there as well, and put the drafted safety in for Scandrick.

That being said, we need to try to get another CB in the draft should this be true for a healthy amount of depth, should Newman and Jenkins both get hurt

Of course we could always pick up Pacman again should we want a super cheap CB and to save our draft pick for something else (NT, DE, OT), though that will never happen

Hell, maybe Irvin's reality show will provide a CB Probably more probable that the last case I mentioned

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Scandrick to FS would be a horrible decision.

The S class is miles ahead of the CB class this year. Let Scandrick do his thing in the slot and draft a true safety(see my sig)

 

[Bob Sacamano]

don't like it, Scandrick is a little, too lean to be the last line of defense

and he tackles w/ his head alot, that will expose him to injuries

 

[Vintage]

don't like it, Scandrick is a little, too lean to be the last line of defense

and he tackles w/ his head alot, that will expose him to injuries

Another new name?

I like this a lot less than Summerisfunner, Bob Sacamano, iRoot.