Garrett as a lameduck

[CowboysFaninHouston]

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The problem with that is he has no grounds to stand on. Jerry had given him incredible leeway in his tenure here. No owner in their right mind would keep demoting a HC in such a manner, unless they have a personal interest in him. He would have been fired, like Gailey or Campo. What can Garrett say? Jerry can say, I gave you Dan Reeves, but you refused and you continued to suck for three years with the running and blocking game.

incredible leeway? in what way? Jerry wanted Callahan as OC, and jerry wanted Ryan to make his system simpler because the defense is confused and jerry deciding that he wants to move to a 4-3 and jerry deciding that we are not going to take Floyd and trade down.....seriously!!!!

and dan reebves didn't want to come to dallas.....because Jerry and him didn't get to agreement, so lets not flip things around as if garrett said no......its Reeves asking for some control and jerry saying no. its well documented that garrett travels and talks to a lot of head coaches, successful head coaches asking for advice, Johnson, Kryzewski, saban, etc. so what you say about Garrett refusing Reeves makes no sense. in fact its just the opposite.

making Garrett to this masterful puppet master, it just doesn't fly. garrett being so smart, and jerry is an idiot that he doesn't see how he was played. awesome angle!!!!

and the running game and blocking game sucking had nothing to do with personnel? it was just scheme...amazing when we added a liable center, how things got better and we had our first 1000 yard rusher!!!! nah, talent has nothing to do with. its all about coaching them up!!!! so I guess Jim Harbaugh can coach the browns to a superbowl. just coach them up!!!

 

[ConstantReboot]

ravens won the playoffs. then missed it. bengals went to three straight playoffs and haven't won one yet. Houston went from a playoff and superbowl contender to the top pick.

what does one year have to do with another. wade's history as been three timse over, he takes over a team, the team improves slightly the first year an starts to go downhill very quickly. that's what happened to the cowboys. Wade's team's weren't prepared. the team wade inherited was Parcell's team. disciplined, and with good load o talent. they exceeded expectations that first year. more like KC did this year. then they lost in the playoffs. they started to go down hill quickly after that and the team quit on wade finally and Jerry had to take action.

our team got worse every year when wade was here. not just th defense. we had some of the worst drafts and FA signings, Coachin hires under wade (same things you are holdin Garrett Accounta be for).

Well Wade was hampered by Jones by making it known that Garrett is the future of Cowboys, not him. While Jones pampered Garrett by letting him know that he wants him to be the coach of the Cowboys regardless on how inexperienced he is. Wade was hampered by Jones. While Garrett was pampered. Big difference in meaning.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Well Wade was hampered by Jones by making it known that Garrett is the future of Cowboys, not him. While Jones pampered Garrett by letting him know that he wants him to be the coach of the Cowboys regardless on how inexperienced he is. Wade was hampered by Jones. While Garrett was pampered. Big difference in meaning.

we continually spinning things about garrett. so hypothetically speaking, if Jerry told wade, that Garrett is the future, why did Wade take the job? if he did, then he is responsible. and that speaks to Jerry's dysfunctional process, hiring his OC before a headcoach. it was also very well known that Wade wouldn't get another opportunity as a headcoach in the NFL., so he jumped at the chance,. he had proven several times he is not head coaching material and the only reason Jerry hired him was to help on the defensive side on the 3-4 defense. if we were in a 4-3 defense, Wade wouldn't have a chance at the job.

Jerry is all about money, so if Garrett was that bad, then he would have gone a different direction. the fact is Garrett saved Wade's ***, as he wanted to put in processes to help run the team and wade kept making it looser and building a spa mentality. Wade allowed players to run rough shot over him, players like Barber, Davis and a couple of others. as soon as Garrett took over, he cleaned house, which I was glad he did. wade was a wuss. so lets not paint a halo over his head, because the idiot had more to do with cowboys ending up where we are than anything else. i.e. he vouched for trading down and taking Williams the LB, and said, heck he can make him into a blitzing LB.... awesome job wade

 

[ConstantReboot]

incredible leeway? in what way? Jerry wanted Callahan as OC, and jerry wanted Ryan to make his system simpler because the defense is confused and jerry deciding that he wants to move to a 4-3 and jerry deciding that we are not going to take Floyd and trade down.....seriously!!!!

and dan reebves didn't want to come to dallas.....because Jerry and him didn't get to agreement, so lets not flip things around as if garrett said no......its Reeves asking for some control and jerry saying no. its well documented that garrett travels and talks to a lot of head coaches, successful head coaches asking for advice, Johnson, Kryzewski, saban, etc. so what you say about Garrett refusing Reeves makes no sense. in fact its just the opposite.

making Garrett to this masterful puppet master, it just doesn't fly. garrett being so smart, and jerry is an idiot that he doesn't see how he was played. awesome angle!!!!

and the running game and blocking game sucking had nothing to do with personnel? it was just scheme...amazing when we added a liable center, how things got better and we had our first 1000 yard rusher!!!! nah, talent has nothing to do with. its all about coaching them up!!!! so I guess Jim Harbaugh can coach the browns to a superbowl. just coach them up!!!

I don't seriously understand why your so obsessed with a mediocre coach such as Garrett. He didn't deserve the head coaching position to begin with since it was promised to him by Jones from the beginning, even during Wade's tenure. If anyone was hampered by Jerry's meddling it was Jones - who outright stated in public that Garrett was the next coach in waiting for the Dallas Cowboys. How does that make Wade feel as a coach?

Garrett is overrated and overhyped. He was never a genius playcaller begin with and it was Jones that coined that term. His scheme is awful and predictable and he never learns from his mistakes. In fact, our scoring started to take a nosedive when Garrett started calling the plays. So I don't understand why so many fans are fawning over Garrett. He is not the right coach for the Cowboys and probably will never be a great coach since he doesn't learn from his mistakes.

As for Jerry wanting Callahan to be OC, well I disagree. Callahan started out as an Oline coach. Because Jerry finally realized that Garrett was terrible at making calls and managing the team because of his inexperience, he had to cut back on the responsibilities for Garrett's sake.

Like I mentioned before, it was Wade that was hampered by Jones. On the other hand, Garrett was pampered by Jerry and still is till this day.

 

[ConstantReboot]

garrett inherited a team that was in shambles. 1-7. so if Garrett inherited a team that was a playoff team. so did wade, with much more talent and wade managed to lose the best opportunity, of being he top seed. people use anything to win an argument. are you guys seriously using Wade the constant failure as defense of your opinions!!! wade the loser Phillips!!! I will never forgive wade for what he did to this team. he took a highly disciplined and football minded team. made them soft. allowed players to make it into a spa, for gawd's sake he had zero contact practices all the time...zero contact in two months during the season!!! jeez folks. you have to com up with something better than wade Phillips.....because I don' have to prove how much wade Phillips sucked. his record of him screwing up teams over and over speaks for itself.

Yes Wade inherited a talented playoff team. But at least he still continued with where Parcells left off and got them back into the playoffs the next year. Garrett has failed 3 years in a row where he was just one win away from going into the playoffs. All those 3 games which we lost to were winnable but unfortunately, Garrett as head coach just doesn't do well coaching during crunch time.

Wade has made it to the playoffs. Garrett has every opportunity to make it to the playoffs. Yet he didn't. His mindset it stuck on mediocrity. Thus the results were getting from him is mediocre coaching.

 

[ConstantReboot]

yes he did and then parcells couldn't take it any more. Jerry by year 3 and 4 started to meddle and parcel left. I for one absolutely thought that parcells was the best coach cowboys had since Johnson. exactly what cowboy needed. and appreciated what he did for us. but at he end. even parcells lost to ever meddling Jerry.

Yes I agree with you that Parcells is what this team needed. Then why does Garrett seek other coaches advice and help doesn't he seek advice from Parcells?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I don't seriously understand why your so obsessed with a mediocre coach such as Garrett. He didn't deserve the head coaching position to begin with since it was promised to him by Jones from the beginning, even during Wade's tenure. If anyone was hampered by Jerry's meddling it was Jones - who outright stated in public that Garrett was the next coach in waiting for the Dallas Cowboys. How does that make Wade feel as a coach?

Garrett is overrated and overhyped. He was never a genius playcaller begin with and it was Jones that coined that term. His scheme is awful and predictable and he never learns from his mistakes. In fact, our scoring started to take a nosedive when Garrett started calling the plays. So I don't understand why so many fans are fawning over Garrett. He is not the right coach for the Cowboys and probably will never be a great coach since he doesn't learn from his mistakes.

As for Jerry wanting Callahan to be OC, well I disagree. Callahan started out as an Oline coach. Because Jerry finally realized that Garrett was terrible at making calls and managing the team because of his inexperience, he had to cut back on the responsibilities for Garrett's sake.

Like I mentioned before, it was Wade that was hampered by Jones. On the other hand, Garrett was pampered by Jerry and still is till this day.

I am not obsessed, if we are to criticize a coach, lets do it on the coach, not make things into something they are not to prove a point. Is Garrett a good coach? no. is garrett responsible for everything that's happening to the cowboys? no. and so lets put the onus back on Jerry. Garrett didn't ask him to do this. he was given an opportunity. should he say no? would anyone? and Wade accepted the job. he could have said now. but he didn't. so to blame garrett and excuse Wade is not right. Wade sucked as a head coach. end of story. he didn't suck because of Garrett, Wade as a head coach sucked before he got here. and how could jerry be hampered by his own meddling? its him doing it. if you mean jerry makes mistakes because he insists on running things his way and its been proven over and over again that it doesn't work. then yeah....

Garrett is not over rated. Jerry over sold Garrett. everybody else knew about Garrett. in fact he is about what I expected, I didn't expect this team to be a superbowl contender, because I didn't think we had the right talent and we weren't formed right. if that was your expectations, than that's the issue. its you, and a few others who bought into what jerry was selling and there are those that continue to buy into what he sells and changes he makes as for the better.

Garrett may not be the right coach for the cowboys. but one thing is for sure, going through coaches, like you change underwear is not the right answer neither because God knows we have been down that road 6 times already and we know the result. Garrett opposed Callahan as the OC, but Jerry buying into his own decisions based on what he had heard in the media....decided to make Callahan the OC. and in the beginning of the year the offense sucked except for the Denver game. everybody was calling us out. our passing game was awful, we never attacked down field and our running game was predictable. and the offense didn't nose dive. it was the defense that got figured out. our defense sucked and we ended up having to come from behind in a one dimensional offense the whole game (Chicago game is a good example). as the year went on, injuries piling up on defense and teams figured out we couldn't stop anybody.

and Callahan being forced onto Garrett, is another example of Jerry meddling. he forced garrett on wade, forced Callahan on garrett, forced TO on parcells, on and on and on. the point is he is making all the wrong decisins. let the coaches make the decisions and fire them if they don't get the job done.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Yes Wade inherited a talented playoff team. But at least he still continued with where Parcells left off and got them back into the playoffs the next year. Garrett has failed 3 years in a row where he was just one win away from going into the playoffs. All those 3 games which we lost to were winnable but unfortunately, Garrett as head coach just doesn't do well coaching during crunch time.

Wade has made it to the playoffs. Garrett has every opportunity to make it to the playoffs. Yet he didn't. His mindset it stuck on mediocrity. Thus the results were getting from him is mediocre coaching.

and the team took a quick nose dive with wade very rapidly. he took a team that was #1 seed. superbowl ready and flunked them in the playoffs. big deal that they made the playoffs. that was a young, deep talented team wade had. he failed miserably so lets not give him credit for making the playoffs. he should have gone further and he didn't. and yes, we were at the cust three years in a row. losing each time. because the make up of the team sucked. and over the past three years I predicted the cowboys records to be 6-10, 6-10 to 8-8 and last year I expected the team to be 7-9 to 9-7. and in none of the years I thought we were playoff ready. not with the defense we had.

 

[17yearsandcounting]

and the team took a quick nose dive with wade very rapidly. he took a team that was #1 seed. superbowl ready and flunked them in the playoffs. big deal that they made the playoffs. that was a young, deep talented team wade had. he failed miserably so lets not give him credit for making the playoffs. he should have gone further and he didn't. and yes, we were at the cust three years in a row. losing each time. because the make up of the team sucked. and over the past three years I predicted the cowboys records to be 6-10, 6-10 to 8-8 and last year I expected the team to be 7-9 to 9-7. and in none of the years I thought we were playoff ready. not with the defense we had.

Dont ever forget who the assistant head coach was.

It blows my mind that he escapes blame for 2010.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Yes I agree with you that Parcells is what this team needed. Then why does Garrett seek other coaches advice and help doesn't he seek advice from Parcells?

maybe he has. how do you know he hasn't? maybe parcells is divorced from football. parcells ran from the cowboys because he saw the circus atmosphere. so having been here, he knows regardless of what advice he gives garrett, that its doomed regardless. his advice will probably be run away as fast as you can.

and how many coaches can you seek advice. you can't spend a summer running around the country meeting with coaches. Johnson, saban, krezewski is a good list. but here again, you are throwing criticism for not going to parcells..... and if he did, you probably criticize him for not going to xyz coach.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Dont ever forget who the assistant head coach was.

It blows my mind that he escapes blame for 2010.

he doesn't. but we can't say, wade failed because of garrett, dismissing him from any blame. then turn around and say, garret is not to blame and lets dismiss all the assistant coaches. everyone is making garrett to be this puppet master.

he is not. he is a lame duck coach, as much as campo, gaily, switzer, parcells and wade. they all got run out of town. some were successful coaches in previous spots. some sucked. garrett is going to get added to the list.

one thing I do like about garrett, despite his coaching short comings. he has taken away the spa atmosphere. he has cleaned the locker room. player seem to play hard for him compared to what they did for wade. and he has tried to shoulder as much blame, protect the team and try to keep things focused on football as opposed to all the Hollywood stuff that happens around valley ranch.

 

[17yearsandcounting]

he doesn't. but we can't say, wade failed because of garrett, dismissing him from any blame. then turn around and say, garret is not to blame and lets dismiss all the assistant coaches. everyone is making garrett to be this puppet master.

he is not. he is a lame duck coach, as much as campo, gaily, switzer, parcells and wade. they all got run out of town. some were successful coaches in previous spots. some sucked. garrett is going to get added to the list.

one thing I do like about garrett, despite his coaching short comings. he has taken away the spa atmosphere. he has cleaned the locker room. player seem to play hard for him compared to what they did for wade. and he has tried to shoulder as much blame, protect the team and try to keep things focused on football as opposed to all the Hollywood stuff that happens around valley ranch.

Dude as soon as he took over he enforced the "suits on the plane" rule, Barber showed up in jeans and got benched for ONE PLAY

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Dude as soon as he took over he enforced the "suits on the plane" rule, Barber showed up in jeans and got benched for ONE PLAY

good. Barber did that to mock his coach. rules are rules. 51 other players followed the rules. you don't like the rule...get the *** out and I am glad he cut his arse. he got paid handsomely and he was one of hte few who had a sense of entitlement. he didn't have to take the money. and when you do, ****** follow the company rules whoever sets them and what ever they are. and if you don't like it, then don't sign on the dotted line.

and 90% of the people here wanted barber cut and hated the fact he was handed a large contract, now, you complain that garrett benched him for one play.....

 

[Apollo Creed]

In today's NFL games are often decided by one score or less. It's impossible to compete when you're constantly shooting yourself in the foot. Throw in the worst defense in league history, with a coach that has constantly proven he doesn't know how to manage a game - and it's a miracle this team finished 8-8 last year.

 

[Hoofbite]

so the question we ask was wade responsible for building the team? as everyone is saying Garrett is responsible for building this team.

we can't flip flop for convenience of argument. garrett was responsible for building wade's teams, and he is responsible for building this team. its just that I want to blame garrett, so anything he has ever been related to I am going to throw into the argument to make my case.

wade had a lot to do with failure of the previous team. he inherited a very good team, deep and talented and disciplined and he proceeded to take it apart systematically because of his ineptitude. one could make the argument that if it wasn't for garrett, it would have been much quicker and much worse. I mean, seriously who goes without contact practices for 2 months in the middle of the season, and cut contacts in half in preseason!!!!

It's not flip flopping to say that Garrett had a hand in building that team.

Garrett was hired before Wade, dubbed the HC in waiting and pretty much given a pass to the HC position.

Why wouldn't he have had say?

Listen, if Kiffin can overrule the draft board after 3 months is it really that hard to believe that Jason was helping direct things over the 4 years leading up to Wade's firing?

As for the part about this current team, what the hell other explanation is there?

Which other coach could even serve as a fall guy? One of the positional coaches or DCs/OCs who've been promptly fired?

Who else is there? Jason has replaced almost every coach on the team, some multiple times over.

So which one of these short-lived coaching stints would you like to blame?

 

[Beast_from_East]

Funny, everybody said it was Camp Cupcake back then and the inmates were running the asylum...

Exactly.

 

[ConstantReboot]

maybe he has. how do you know he hasn't? maybe parcells is divorced from football. parcells ran from the cowboys because he saw the circus atmosphere. so having been here, he knows regardless of what advice he gives garrett, that its doomed regardless. his advice will probably be run away as fast as you can.

and how many coaches can you seek advice. you can't spend a summer running around the country meeting with coaches. Johnson, saban, krezewski is a good list. but here again, you are throwing criticism for not going to parcells..... and if he did, you probably criticize him for not going to xyz coach.

LOL I criticize Garrett because he was given the keys to the kingdom which he really didn't earn. He was part of the problem when Wade was here and all of a sudden a lot of folks here think he is the solution. I criticize him for being anointed a genius and a really great coach and yet failed to deliver on those statements. His criticism is much warranted for the amount of money he makes, the lack of coaching experience he has, the amount of responsibility he has given and last and most important of all, the results that he has given us the last 3 years.

You can sugarcoat how great Garrett and that everything is Jerry's fault. But the truth is he would never have been a head coach without the help of Jerry. Sure you might say Ravens wanted him. But that was because he was so hyped up by Jerry and that he had Romo as his QB - Ravens are probably glad that they didn't select him.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It's not flip flopping to say that Garrett had a hand in building that team.

Garrett was hired before Wade, dubbed the HC in waiting and pretty much given a pass to the HC position.

Why wouldn't he have had say?

Listen, if Kiffin can overrule the draft board after 3 months is it really that hard to believe that Jason was helping direct things over the 4 years leading up to Wade's firing?

As for the part about this current team, what the hell other explanation is there?

Which other coach could even serve as a fall guy? One of the positional coaches or DCs/OCs who've been promptly fired?

Who else is there? Jason has replaced almost every coach on the team, some multiple times over.

So which one of these short-lived coaching stints would you like to blame

so on the one hand, garrett as OC had a hand in building the previous team.

and on the other hand, who can you blame but the head coach for current roster mess all coordinators excluded from blame.

so whatever angle best fits the argument you are making.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

LOL I criticize Garrett because he was given the keys to the kingdom which he really didn't earn. He was part of the problem when Wade was here and all of a sudden a lot of folks here think he is the solution. I criticize him for being anointed a genius and a really great coach and yet failed to deliver on those statements. His criticism is much warranted for the amount of money he makes, the lack of coaching experience he has, the amount of responsibility he has given and last and most important of all, the results that he has given us the last 3 years.

You can sugarcoat how great Garrett and that everything is Jerry's fault. But the truth is he would never have been a head coach without the help of Jerry. Sure you might say Ravens wanted him. But that was because he was so hyped up by Jerry and that he had Romo as his QB - Ravens are probably glad that they didn't select him.

no one is excusing garrett. what I take issue with is blaming everything on garrett and dismissing everything else surrounding it. I guess it makes it simple. get rid of garrett we are on the road to glory. yet, history proves (is there read it, check it verify it), that in the past 20 years, garrett or no garrett the result has been the same. and how does garrett have the key to the kingdom? because he has been over ruled on multiples of occasions by the very gm who anointed him.

he may not be the solution. but what is the solution? another coach? what result do you expect or do you just want hope because right now you feel hopeless? isn't that what Jerry sells everyone. hope!?

and where did I sugar coat garrett being great? I just disagree that everything is his fault and his fault only. I hold wade accountable. I hold jerry accountable. I hold other coaches accountable.

and to say jerry hyped him so ravens jumped on him is asinine. because jerry's incompetence is well advertised and you think Ozzie and Buscotti are so lame that they lucked into a couple of superbowls and billions of dollars. yeah, they just took Jerry's words for garrett being a great coach and jumped on him....do you seriously believe that?

and I find it funny, people who want to blame garrett, say he had room and then some of these same folks want room gone because he is source of our problems.....

what ever fits the argument.

 

[khiladi]

incredible leeway? in what way? Jerry wanted Callahan as OC, and jerry wanted Ryan to make his system simpler because the defense is confused and jerry deciding that he wants to move to a 4-3 and jerry deciding that we are not going to take Floyd and trade down.....seriously!!!!

and dan reebves didn't want to come to dallas.....because Jerry and him didn't get to agreement, so lets not flip things around as if garrett said no......its Reeves asking for some control and jerry saying no. its well documented that garrett travels and talks to a lot of head coaches, successful head coaches asking for advice, Johnson, Kryzewski, saban, etc. so what you say about Garrett refusing Reeves makes no sense. in fact its just the opposite.

making Garrett to this masterful puppet master, it just doesn't fly. garrett being so smart, and jerry is an idiot that he doesn't see how he was played. awesome angle!!!!

and the running game and blocking game sucking had nothing to do with personnel? it was just scheme...amazing when we added a liable center, how things got better and we had our first 1000 yard rusher!!!! nah, talent has nothing to do with. its all about coaching them up!!!! so I guess Jim Harbaugh can coach the browns to a superbowl. just coach them up!!!

Jerry got Callahan as the OL and running coach. Jerry removed Garrett as OC, who had TOTAL control of the offense for 6 years and replaced him, because Red-Headed Genius couldn't adjust his play-calling to a simple blitz up the middle against the Commanders, a guy who consistently got Romo in trouble because he couldn't stop the pressure. This was the same Garrett, who prior to himself being demoted, was last in the league two years in a row in play-action, because he can't blend a running game with a passing game. We are here in year 7 because of this joke of a clown.

The idea that Dan Reeves didn't come here because of 'punching a clock' is nothing but a spin by the Ranch. You think they got that far only for Jerry to say, "well, he didn't want to punch a clock".

LOL.. Now your talking about Frederik and in the same sentence saying Jerry over-ruled Garrett and got Floyd, as some sort of stain on Jerry. Wow... So essentially you said that our failing in the running game had to do with not having a center, and then praising our offensive running game because we got a center, and at the same time blaming Jerry for getting that same center, over-ruling Garrett, who wanted a 3-4 NT when they went 4-3 months prior. Genius! Guess what bro.. And our running game had everything to do with scheme as well, because Callahan is a ZONE-BLOCKING coach, while Garrett's offense was predicated on a power-blocking scheme, which is why they went to Houck. And our best running play this year was the pull to the tackle, the sweep that Murray was running. Did you even pay attention to how we abandoned Garretts infamous delayed draw on 3rd and long?