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In hindsight, if the goal was to maximize the prime years of Romo's career, Garrett was not the right hire. A coach who was more NFL-ready and had less of a learning curve would've been the better option. Even Jerry has admitted to Garrett's mistakes.

Does this Garrett should be fired? Absolutely not. We aren't going to get Romo's prime years back. The mistake has already been made. You don't compound one bad decision with a second rash decision.
 

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Never have I been so, nor have I seen so many others, torn up & down on a HC.

I mean the positives on Jason Garrett: I think he knows football. I think he is a good moral person and expects the same from his players. I think he has the ability to get his players to look up to him. He holds himself up and presents himself as a HC.

The negatives: and this is big, he is very poor at adjustments in both preparation for an opponent as well as adjusting during games to what an opponent is doing. I think he lacks the ability to keep the team playing at a high level every week but instead we play down to the opponents level of play. He doesn't seem to get this team to play at a higher level when they need to with any consistency. And finally, STOP clapping every time this offense or defense comes off the field especially when our offense turns the ball over or the opponent scores. Call the players out or something but you look like a cheerleader and you are sending the wrong message!!
 

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You're either trying to be funny or your reading comprehension is truly awful. First sentence, dude.

Roy struggles mightily with comprehension. It makes it hard to have a discussion because points don't register so often.

I agree with your basic point. the .500 doldrums have been frustrating, overall. The individual seasons have been fun, because at least they've come down to week 17 each time, but that's a poor return on the emotional investment. It's seasons like 2014 where you advance in the playoffs that are the real payoff. We need to get back to them. And Garrett definitely has made mistakes that have contributed to the delays in the process, there's no doubt. I'm just happy to see restraint and patience in our approach, I want to see it pay finally pay off. We're doing the things good teams do, consistently, but it's taking longer than any of us would like.
 

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But it was just good enough to seem like they were trying...:D;)$$$$$ We easily make the playoffs w wins over DET and GB (13' I think?). That is a given.

Exactly, games we had significant leads but according to the coach, circumstances FORCED us to pass more with 20 point leads, SMH! It wasn't just 2013, there were games in the other 8-8 seasons we let slip away offensively that we wouldn't have needed a win and get in scenario had we handles business earlier with better GAMEPLAN and calls!
 

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as last year proved its all tony romo with out him they only win two or three games a year through all of his seasons. there are not even competitive.

This ^

Without Romo both Garrett and Marinelli are out of thier jobs. Even Jerry would sucumb his control to a real coach, like he did when he hired Parcells, without Romo.
 

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This ^

Without Romo both Garrett and Marinelli are out of thier jobs. Even Jerry would sucumb his control to a real coach, like he did when he hired Parcells, without Romo.

Without Romo, our strategy in these recent seasons would have been very different. You can't just take away the single most important player on the team, look at what's left and conclude it wouldn't be good enough and, therefore, it's the coach's fault. Romo's a great player and we're lucky to have him, but if he's not here, there's money that could be spent on other great players we'd be lucky to have and no way of knowing how that might have turned out.
 

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This ^

Without Romo both Garrett and Marinelli are out of thier jobs. Even Jerry would sucumb his control to a real coach, like he did when he hired Parcells, without Romo.

Without a QB, most every coach would be out of their job. How do you succumb your control anyways?
 

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They have been trending upward except for last season where you did not even notice before commenting on but I would think even in your zeal to try and get a sick burn on him and still complain about it that you do realize we did not have the top QB, WR and RB playing in the majority of the games from the previous season.

But...oh boy you got him good...like Farva getting the rookie cop by putting a soap bar in his coffee.

Burn? I think you are reading a little too much into that one. The offense has been way better than the D and it has been trending up until last year. And yah, it was because Romo was hurt. Nothing to do with Garrett coming of age or any nonsense like that. Since the run game has blossomed and Garrett got kicked to the curb on running the offense, the offense has been doing great. Save for 2015 without Romo.
 

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You're either trying to be funny or your reading comprehension is truly awful. First sentence, dude.

NO, your point is just woefully low standard. So what is your point that we arent really the laughing stock of the NFL because we won half our games? Wow, great point. For a proud Dallas fan, being 500 for how many years is a joke. But hey, at least were not really the laughing stock. :lmao:
 

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Roy struggles mightily with comprehension. It makes it hard to have a discussion because points don't register so often.

I agree with your basic point. the .500 doldrums have been frustrating, overall. The individual seasons have been fun, because at least they've come down to week 17 each time, but that's a poor return on the emotional investment. It's seasons like 2014 where you advance in the playoffs that are the real payoff. We need to get back to them. And Garrett definitely has made mistakes that have contributed to the delays in the process, there's no doubt. I'm just happy to see restraint and patience in our approach, I want to see it pay finally pay off. We're doing the things good teams do, consistently, but it's taking longer than any of us would like.

LOL.......more insults, how predictable. When it comes to accurate analysis and team predictions there has been no one on this site that has taken more of a beating than you have. Didnt you just tell a guy what a great post he made talking how Garrett has done a great job? Now you are pointing out the myriad of mistakes he has made. Just face facts...........your boy Garrett has been an abomination as a coach and you were dead wrong about him.
 

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Burn? I think you are reading a little too much into that one. The offense has been way better than the D and it has been trending up until last year. And yah, it was because Romo was hurt. Nothing to do with Garrett coming of age or any nonsense like that. Since the run game has blossomed and Garrett got kicked to the curb on running the offense, the offense has been doing great. Save for 2015 without Romo.

So you admit it was trending upward and it did not in 2015 since Romo got hurt.

So you are arguing for the sake of arguing even though you admit what he said was correct.

Nice.
 

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lol, yep.

2014: 2nd
2013: 4th
2012: 10th
2011: 8th

Here's where we ranked the four years under Garrett with Romo primarily in the lineup on a points/offensive series basis. (For the curious, we were 11th in 2010 and 27th in 2015). Top 10 every season and trending upward. Weird that it doesn't match up with your eye test.

I like that your response to my original point, which was that stats need context, is to post stats with no context, all while being a jerk about it. Bravo.
 

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True but that is not how many fans felt during those early years with Landry, many wanted him gone. I agree it was an expansion team but none the less fans did not care and Murchison response to it was to sign Landry to a 10 year deal.

As for any other comparisons they do not exist at this time, you can't compare a man who has already had his run over many years to a guy who is still early in his career.

Back in those days coaches were given plenty of time, Landry, Shula, and Knoll stayed with their team forever but that was the 70s. Now a day Garrett getting a second contract with his record should amount to the time those guys from the past got.
 

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So you admit it was trending upward and it did not in 2015 since Romo got hurt.

So you are arguing for the sake of arguing even though you admit what he said was correct.

Nice.

Yes. To some degree I am. I agree that the offense has been better and they have been trending up. But to be picky, going from 2nd to 27th is not trending up. Idgit has been far from nice to me as you can see quite clearly with his insults. But that's ok, I have thick skin. Unlike some on here. :flagwave::clap:
 

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He has a elite QB.

So pretty much anyone could coach the team and get average when you have an elite QB.

so that's your excuse? he's got an "elite qb" so average is how you prove your worth? how good ONE player is?

he's the coach. he needs to make the team work together. in my mind he's failed. at times it seems we win in spite of garret and seldom because of him. has happened, but rare. so to sit there and say he's got romo, ero, average is the new horrible is nothing more than an agenda on display.
 

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Without Romo, our strategy in these recent seasons would have been very different. You can't just take away the single most important player on the team, look at what's left and conclude it wouldn't be good enough and, therefore, it's the coach's fault. Romo's a great player and we're lucky to have him, but if he's not here, there's money that could be spent on other great players we'd be lucky to have and no way of knowing how that might have turned out.

There is plenty of evidence to certify that Garrett is not a good coach. Losing Romo and watching the team completely crumble is just one piece of that evidence.

Now did'nt you just admit that Garrett has made plenty of mistakes as a coach? It appears you are waffling again.
 

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Garrett used TO and Crayton in all sorts of ways.

No he didn't.. In fact, during the team struggled they asked TO why he wasn't moved around much in the offense, he basically said to ask the coaches.
 
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