Garrett not a good coach?

[Yakuza Rich]

It's been 3 years since Garrett called plays. smh.

He certainly has input on the plays called. He was certainly telling Linehan to run the ball so much on first down back in 2014. He has influence on the play calling before the game and during the game. What type of actual plays are being called is a different story, but he even has some influence in that regard.

So shake your head at yourself.




YR

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He certainly has input on the plays called. He was certainly telling Linehan to run the ball so much on first down back in 2014. He has influence on the play calling before the game and during the game. What type of actual plays are being called is a different story, but he even has some influence in that regard.

So shake your head at yourself.




YR

And what influence is that?

You have no idea what he told Linehan at any point so spare me your faux certainty. Fact is that they ran the ball more on first down once Linehan got here. And I will shake my head at people that fill in the gaps with whatever fills their preferred outcome.

I do like your attempt at a recovery but it is obvious that you never even considered Linehan given that you didn't so much as acknowledge his presence.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

And what influence is that?

You have no idea what he told Linehan at any point so spare me your faux certainty. Fact is that they ran the ball more on first down once Linehan got here. And I will shake my head at people that fill in the gaps with whatever fills their preferred outcome.

I do like your attempt at a recovery but it is obvious that you never even considered Linehan given that you didn't so much as acknowledge his presence.

Do you know anything about the NFL or coaching in general?

The HC assigns the gameplan as well as talks to the Coordinators about what is going on and often serves as the editor to what is going on with the playcalling. Like Dick Vermeil telling Mike Martz to 'keep throwing deep' in the Super Bowl or Marty Schottenheimer asking Bill Cowher 'are you allergic to playing zone or something?' or Bill Parcells telling Bill Belichick he didn't want a blitz on this play or Tom Coughlin telling Kevin Gilbride that 'I want a screen pass' and going over various possible plays to choose from.

Like I really don't know that Scott Linehan is the official playcaller.

Maybe if you weren't so clueless you would understand that. But, you'll just keep kicking the can...





YR

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Do you know anything about the NFL or coaching in general?

The HC assigns the gameplan as well as talks to the Coordinators about what is going on and often serves as the editor to what is going on with the playcalling. Like Dick Vermeil telling Mike Martz to 'keep throwing deep' in the Super Bowl or Marty Schottenheimer asking Bill Cowher 'are you allergic to playing zone or something?' or Bill Parcells telling Bill Belichick he didn't want a blitz on this play or Tom Coughlin telling Kevin Gilbride that 'I want a screen pass' and going over various possible plays to choose from.

Like I really don't know that Scott Linehan is the official playcaller.

Maybe if you weren't so clueless you would understand that. But, you'll just keep kicking the can...

YR

Your father was a HS football coach. That does not make you an expert on NFL coaching.

I never said the HC does not govern gameplan formulation or that they do not insert themselves into arbitrary playcalls. What I said is you have no idea who was the driving force behind the playcalling on first down or any specifics. You are filling in the gaps of the unknown with your preferred outcome.

I will repeat my rebuttal you ignored that flies completely contrary to your narrative: the run on first ad nauseum did not start until 2014 when Linehan arrived.

Whether or not you know that Linehan is the playcaller is besides the point. You still complained about Garrett over the playcalling. Look up cognitive dissonance and get back to me.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Your father was a HS football coach. That does not make you an expert on NFL coaching.

He was?

Could've fooled me.

I never said the HC does not govern gameplan formulation or that they do not insert themselves into arbitrary playcalls. What I said is you have no idea who was the driving force behind the playcalling on first down or any specifics. You are filling in the gaps of the unknown with your preferred outcome.

That's not what's happening.

You tried to say that I didn't know that Scott Linehan is the O-Coordinator and 'play caller.' Despite my fandom and how much I post on this very forum and I was all for Garrett to stop being the full-time playcaller when he was calling plays again in 2013 after taking them away from Callahan.

I will repeat my rebuttal you ignored that flies completely contrary to your narrative: the run on first ad nauseum did not start until 2014 when Linehan arrived.

The main idea stays the same...Garrett was the driving force behind running the ball nearly 75% of the time on first down in 2014. Especially since Linehan has always greatly favored throwing the ball in *every* single O-Coordinator position in *every* single year he had coached in the league.

Whether or not you know that Linehan is the playcaller is besides the point. You still complained about Garrett over the playcalling. Look up cognitive dissonance and get back to me.

Yes, because much of the playcalling is baffling or over-doing it and Garrett has great input on what type of plays are called. Look up delusional and get back to me.





YR

 

[CrownCowboy]

Read the article and completely agree. You just dont see people cut up coaches like they do Garrett. At least not guys that have long tenured positions in coaching.

Garrett is a liability on game day and in game day preparation. Especially when it comes to the biggest stage in the playoffs.

You want to talk about likeability and organization, yipppeeeee yeeeee!!!

When you get in the big games and the teams are all good it can comes down to coaching. Garrett HAS fallen short every time and continues to make the same blunders over and over again. Add a GREAT coach to this team and its already a powerhouse.

Absolutely true.

I've made my thoughts known about Garrett many times. I think you highlighted some of my thoughts here.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He was?

Could've fooled me.



That's not what's happening.

You tried to say that I didn't know that Scott Linehan is the O-Coordinator and 'play caller.' Despite my fandom and how much I post on this very forum and I was all for Garrett to stop being the full-time playcaller when he was calling plays again in 2013 after taking them away from Callahan.



The main idea stays the same...Garrett was the driving force behind running the ball nearly 75% of the time on first down in 2014. Especially since Linehan has always greatly favored throwing the ball in *every* single O-Coordinator position in *every* single year he had coached in the league.



Yes, because much of the playcalling is baffling or over-doing it and Garrett has great input on what type of plays are called. Look up delusional and get back to me.





YR

Line by line is boring.

You are not an expert on coaching.

I simply pointed out a fact that contradicted your statement. Whether or not you knew a point of fact was besides the point. You clearly at that point did not understand the significance of it and that is what matters. you repeating the same complaint that has been bandied about since Garrett when he was playcaller does not help.

Actually no the central point does not stay the same. The statement "after Linehan arrived in Dallas and took over playcalling duties, the Cowboys started running the ball most of the time on first down," does not lead to "Garrett is the driving force." If that was the case it would have already occurred because Garrett was already present which is not what happened.

Running the ball on first down in a gameplan caveat and given that we a) have a near 50/50 balance overall, and b) are efficient when they run it. Complaining about that particular caveat seems to miss the point. Results trump your arbitrary ideal. The Cowboys ideal seems to be it doesn't matter if they know what's coming as they cannot stop it.

It's not like they don't run it on 2nd or 3rd and short and it does take a level of commitment running on early down else you are going to be running on a lot of 2nd and 12 or 3rd and 7 or the more likely passing the ball 60% of the time. 10% is 8 plays.

 

[CCBoy]

Do you know anything about the NFL or coaching in general?

The HC assigns the gameplan as well as talks to the Coordinators about what is going on and often serves as the editor to what is going on with the playcalling. Like Dick Vermeil telling Mike Martz to 'keep throwing deep' in the Super Bowl or Marty Schottenheimer asking Bill Cowher 'are you allergic to playing zone or something?' or Bill Parcells telling Bill Belichick he didn't want a blitz on this play or Tom Coughlin telling Kevin Gilbride that 'I want a screen pass' and going over various possible plays to choose from.

Like I really don't know that Scott Linehan is the official playcaller.

Maybe if you weren't so clueless you would understand that. But, you'll just keep kicking the can...





YR

Using a bunch of second person You's in an accusation, proves nothing beyond you having an attitude...as you discussed nothing here, about football or a discussion of merit.

 

[CCBoy]

one playoff win in seven seasons also says something loud and clear

Oh, brainstein takes the ripple bottle at the burn barrel...as if points in a loss, season wins in the past three seasons, and level of the playoffs that a loss occurred...aren't relevant? Yea, try again...with some real high ground, and not just a worn out *****, (female dog)

 

[CowboyRoy]

While I disagree that he is a bad coach this will continue until the Cowboys win a championship. Much like Romo is not considered elite in some people eye because he does not have a ring. Jason as HC will be viewed the same

The dislike for Garrett has nothing to do with NOT winning a championship and everything to do with his infamous coaching blunders and miscues. Even the owner admitted as much that we have all suffered for Garrett, the coach in training. Heck even Wade Phillips got in on the action recently and pointed out that Garrett was not only NOT ready to be a coordinator, but he was also not ready to be a head coach. Only the blindest of fans could not see it at the time. In my opinion, the only reason this team is winning more now and Garrett appears to have gotten better is because he has been stripped of many of the tasks he no longer did before. Relegated to walk around clapper and organizer. Fanny patter/motivator. And then of course the mass of talent that Will McClay, stephen, and Jerry keep bringing in here the last 3 or 4 years.

 

[CowboyRoy]

For those of you who can't wait to find out, the NFL player is Eric Davis. He's entitled to his opinion. Looking at an NFL season like 'Tony Romo gets you 8 games,' 'Dak gets your 7 or 8 games' is pretty amateurish. That's not how things work.

And I know a lot of people believe a HC is going to scheme or play call you to a couple extra wins a season, but I don't think that's accurate, either (though there are some exceptions where coaches do do that now and then). The best HCs assemble and develop talent and depth. The game is about finding mismatches. Sometimes you can do that with a play call. Sometimes you do it with a play design (like the pick plays NE was doing so much of, or Dez' pass to Witten this last season). Mostly you do it by adding players and putting them in the right position to succeed. We've done a good job of that here in recent years.

Agreed. But Garrett doesnt find the players, nor call the plays.

And at least Eric Davis is smart enough (dont really have to be) to see Garrett for what he is. Or isnt. Which is a good head coach.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I remember JJ saying (IIRC) that anyone can coach this team. I wonder if he still believes that? I honestly don't know, but wish I did.

If you have great coordinators and great talent, you can win in this league with a bozo coach. But its the championships or the amount less that you wind up losing out on.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Using a bunch of second person You's in an accusation, proves nothing beyond you having an attitude...as you discussed nothing here, about football or a discussion of merit.

You’re sticking up for a guy that tried to be condescending when I talked about the playcalling over the years with Garrett as the head coach with his ‘shaking my head’ reply. I then showed that every coach has a role in the playcalling on both sides of the ball as they are part of the gameplan and talk to their play callers and influence the direction of their play calling. Furthermore, that Linehan has always been a heavy pass oriented coordinator/play caller in every single season he has been the O-Coordinator with every single team (Vikings, Rams and Lions). Then he comes here in 2014 and we are running the ball 75% of the time on first down after Garrett had repeatedly stated he wanted to establish the run and become a ‘physical offense.’


I get an attitude when dealing with people that try to be condescending and are clueless as to what they are talking about. Just like I get an attitude with people like yourself that clearly live in a glass house and cast boulders because virtually none of your post ever discuss anything of merit.





YR

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Line by line is boring.

You are not an expert on coaching.

I simply pointed out a fact that contradicted your statement. Whether or not you knew a point of fact was besides the point. You clearly at that point did not understand the significance of it and that is what matters. you repeating the same complaint that has been bandied about since Garrett when he was playcaller does not help.

Actually no the central point does not stay the same. The statement "after Linehan arrived in Dallas and took over playcalling duties, the Cowboys started running the ball most of the time on first down," does not lead to "Garrett is the driving force." If that was the case it would have already occurred because Garrett was already present which is not what happened.

Running the ball on first down in a gameplan caveat and given that we a) have a near 50/50 balance overall, and b) are efficient when they run it. Complaining about that particular caveat seems to miss the point. Results trump your arbitrary ideal. The Cowboys ideal seems to be it doesn't matter if they know what's coming as they cannot stop it.

It's not like they don't run it on 2nd or 3rd and short and it does take a level of commitment running on early down else you are going to be running on a lot of 2nd and 12 or 3rd and 7 or the more likely passing the ball 60% of the time. 10% is 8 plays.

I never said or implied I was an expert on coaching.

You were the one that said my dad was a HS football coach and then backpedaled when I pointed out how the HC plays a role and influences the playcalling on every team.

And it's not all about running the ball on first down either such as the first Giants game when we had Dez run 23 go routes in 29 pass players he was a part of. The gameplan for the playcalling wasn't working in the first half and we kept having Dez run 9-routes.

Garrett is a conservative coach and it doesn't solely mean that he wants to run the ball a lot. He takes a conservative approach with the scheme, the gameplan and will keep his coordinators in check to prevent them from doing anything remotely exotic.

If you can't see how the HC is a major influence in playcalling, then that's a you problem...not a me problem.





YR

 

[CATCH17]

Garrett's a jag.

 

[TwoDeep3]

https://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/...er-cowboys-will-fall-jason-garrett-good-coach


The South Point Casino in Las Vegas recently released its projected win totals for every NFL team in 2017, allowing football fans to bet on whether their team will win more or less.

South Point opened the betting with Dallas at 9.5, meaning the Cowboys would need to win only 10 games for bettors who picked the over to cash in.

Famed Vegas oddsmaker Kenny White thinks the Cowboys' over/under should be at least a full game higher (10.5).

But one Fox Sports analyst thinks South Point has the Cowboys' projection just right -- and head coach Jason Garrett is to blame.














But one Fox Sports analyst thinks South Point has the Cowboys' projection just right -- and head coach Jason Garrett is to blame.

 

[ErikWilliamsHeadSlap]

He ain't wrong.

 

[CATCH17]

IMO, his strengths are talent evaluating and keeping the team focused. He's a Monday-Saturday guy.


I just don't feel like Dallas embraces the chess side of football and they rely solely on fundamentals and talent on both sides of the ball and I don't think you can get away with that in the salary cap era where teams are pretty similar.

Coaching and QB play are what separates teams and I just think we are way to conservative with our playcalling and guys like Dez disappear for long stretches because of it.

 

[Setackin]

If Dallas fails to make the playoffs and I'm JJ, I'm making a big push for harbough. I doubt he would want to leave Michigan though.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Great.

Another Garrett bashing thread.