Garrett not a good coach?

[CowboyRoy]

Garrett has been HC for 6 full season (58-46) , I watched this other HC who had gone 41-55 in his 1st 6 full season as a HC. Funny thing is today most consider him the top HC in the NFL
The HC is none other than Bill Belichick. Way I see it coaches are graded on winning and losing, yet the full story has yet to be written in Jason Garrett case. If he is able to string together several winning season and championships along the way the perceptions and view points will change in some peoples minds. For others they would rather cut off their nose to spite their face before they will give any credit.

I would rather have real coach that doesnt blunder away big games with his in game management. Not too much to ask for.

But by all means, let those low standards hang out.

 

[Doomsday101]

I would rather have real coach that doesnt blunder away big games with his in game management. Not too much to ask for.

But by all means, let those low standards hang out.

I'm not accepting low standards, I saw other HC like Belichick over the same period of time win less I doubt you will find many who feel he is not suitable as a HC. Because a fan thinks a certain way makes me no different, I watched as fans in the late 60's wanted Landry fired what they knew more or better? Yet they were wrong. Garrett is the HC at least for now and it falls to him to win. Something he was able to do last season despite the fact no one gave the team a chance in hell of winning but they did.

My expectation are for him to win and if he fails then I do expect him to be fired. He has altered this team from where it was and I like the direction this team is heading

 

[CowboyRoy]

I'm not accepting low standards, I saw other HC like Belichick over the same period of time win less I doubt you will find many who feel he is not suitable as a HC. Because a fan thinks a certain way makes me no different, I watched as fans in the late 60's wanted Landry fired what they knew more or better? Yet they were wrong. Garrett is the HC at least for now and it falls to him to win. Something he was able to do last season despite the fact no one gave the team a chance in hell of winning but they did.

My expectation are for him to win and if he fails then I do expect him to be fired. He has altered this team from where it was and I like the direction this team is heading

If you look at Garrett and see a young bellicheck then there is absolutely no talking sense into you.

Garrett has failed and should have been fired long ago. With the current talent on the roster even a Garrett can have winning seasons.

 

[Doomsday101]

If you look at Garrett and see a young bellicheck then there is absolutely no talking sense into you.

Garrett has failed and should have been fired long ago. With the current talent on the roster even a Garrett can have winning seasons.

As I mentioned before it is not comparing the coach but most were not thinking highly of Belichick during those season where he was losing. Current talent that he has helped put in place?

I listen to idiot fans constantly who think they know how to coach, does not make them a coach just a fan with an opinion.

If falls to Garrett to get the job done if they continue to go up and down I fully expect him to be fired so then the next guy can come in and people will be critical of him. It is the nature of the beast you win people shut up you lose and they holler for your head

 

[CowboyRoy]

As I mentioned before it is not comparing the coach but most were not thinking highly of Belichick during those season where he was losing. Current talent that he has helped put in place?

I listen to idiot fans constantly who think they know how to coach, does not make them a coach just a fan with an opinion.

If falls to Garrett to get the job done if they continue to go up and down I fully expect him to be fired so then the next guy can come in and people will be critical of him. It is the nature of the beast you win people shut up you lose and they holler for your head

Garrett has failed to get the job done. Its exactly why he was stripped of play calling by Jerry. That is a fact. A decision he fought and didnt want to give up. He has also failed as head coach. He failed again against GB woefully. Made the same stupid mistake he made 2 years ago when we lost last time.

Yep, and I listen to minority fans think that Garrett is the next bellicheck. And I laugh like Im doing now.

 

[Doomsday101]

Garrett has failed to get the job done. Its exactly why he was stripped of play calling by Jerry. That is a fact. A decision he fought and didnt want to give up. He has also failed as head coach. He failed again against GB woefully. Made the same stupid mistake he made 2 years ago when we lost last time.

He should not have been in the position to be HC and calling plays even Jimmy Johnson warned against this. Garrett still can over rule a play and has say in putting the game plan together of what he wants. He failed against GB woefully how so?

 

[CowboyRoy]

He should not have been in the position to be HC and calling plays even Jimmy Johnson warned against this. Garrett still can over rule a play and has say in putting the game plan together of what he wants. He failed against GB woefully how so?

Never mind. You love Garrett. No biggie, enjoy.

 

[Doomsday101]

Never mind. You love Garrett. No biggie, enjoy.

Never mind? lol ok. I asked a simple question and get nothing?

What because with 44 seconds remaining in the game a timeout in their back pocket sitting on the GB 33 Yard line Dallas choose to try and win the game instead of running the clock and hoping to win in OT? that is the great strategy? playing not to lose? OK. lol

 

[Idgit]

I guess you just dont read so well.

I said NOTHING about the Cowboys NOT running the ball currently a lot. Its about him abandoning the run in the past and also in big games like how he chose to get cute and pass on short yardage in the GB game this year. We got down by 3 scores did we not early in the game? Partially because we came out flat and decided NOT to pound the ball. A Garrett team trait in big games and often in the past when he WOULD abandon the run. NO NOT RECENTLY IN THE REGULAR SEASON.

If you need further clarification, let me know and I will be more than happy to help you out.

So, if we've moved off of the current team and are looking instead at past teams (let's pretend we're in the '*Was* Garrett not a good coach?" thread for a minute). Here's where we've been in terms of % of rushes since the team completed it's OL overhaul with the drafting of Zack Martin:

2016: 1st
2015: 10th
2014: 3rd

And here's where we were in the years prior:

2013: 29th
2012: 31st
2011: 22nd
2010: 20th

We've run the ball more as the OL has improved. We ran it less when we didn't trust the OL to get the job done. It didn't have anything to do with whether or not Jason Garrett is or was a good coach.

As for the GB game, here's the play by play again.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=400927749

First drive, we ran twice in four plays, then Witten gave up that sack and put us in a passing situation. Second drive, we ran it four out of seven plays, until the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty put us in 2nd and 20. The third possession was a three-and-out where we ran it once for 2 yards. Yes, we could have run it on first down there like we had on the previous two drive-starters. We weren't going to run it on 3rd and 8, though. Not a lot to complain about with the run v. pass play calling there.

Instead, look at the GB drives. Their fullback ripped us for 20 on 2nd and 8, and Rodgers absolutely shredded us in the passing game.

It's not about play calling. It's not about clock management. This game is about passing effectively and stopping their QB. If you do those two things, you usually win. If you don't, you lose. We lost because we couldn't stop Aaron Rodgers early. It had nothing to do with abandoning the running game.

 

[Idgit]

...My expectation are for him to win and if he fails then I do expect him to be fired. He has altered this team from where it was and I like the direction this team is heading

You have to be willfully blind to not like the direction the team is heading. Or to think teams win 13 games in the NFL without being able to coach effectively. Or to think coaching, for that matter, was the primary reason we lost the GB game.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Garrett finally did start talking about running the ball. But that was after he ruined Wades tenure here, and screwed up by being pass happy the first 6 years he was here. Anyone with half a brain could see that running was important. Its football 101. So Garrett finally got it? Wow, what an amazing revelation for the ivy league genius. ANOTHER reason why Garrett simply had no business coaching here when they hired him.

And comparing Garrett to Linehan as a offensive mind is pretty embarrassing. Garrett is like a high school coach playing at NFL head coaching. Linehan has been a head coach, OC long before Garrett was in the league.

I never compared Garrett to Linehan.

Linehan had numerous issues with being a pass heavy playcaller with the Vikings, the Rams and the Lions.

As far as when Linehan had been coach compared to Garrett...Garrett wasn't a coach because he was a player in the league. Linehan didn't make it to the NFL until 2002 and Garrett didn't start coaching in the NFL until 2005.

The fact is that the playcalling to more running is an initiative set by Garrett. If he wanted to go back to a pass heavy offense...guess what would happen to the playcalling?

Garrett is a conservative coach in part because his mentor is Nick Saban who is a very no frills coach from a schematic standpoint. Garrett has a habit of overdoing certain gameplans and refusing to adjust (i.e. Dez running 23 out of 29 Go Routes versus the Giants in game 1).

I don't hate Garrett, but I'm not sold on him as a postseason coach. And the fact of the matter is that he, like any HC, has a major influence in the playcalling.






YR

 

[Idgit]

I never compared Garrett to Linehan.

Linehan had numerous issues with being a pass heavy playcaller with the Vikings, the Rams and the Lions.

As far as when Linehan had been coach compared to Garrett...Garrett wasn't a coach because he was a player in the league. Linehan didn't make it to the NFL until 2002 and Garrett didn't start coaching in the NFL until 2005.

The fact is that the playcalling to more running is an initiative set by Garrett. If he wanted to go back to a pass heavy offense...guess what would happen to the playcalling?

Garrett is a conservative coach in part because his mentor is Nick Saban who is a very no frills coach from a schematic standpoint. Garrett has a habit of overdoing certain gameplans and refusing to adjust (i.e. Dez running 23 out of 29 Go Routes versus the Giants in game 1).

I don't hate Garrett, but I'm not sold on him as a postseason coach. And the fact of the matter is that he, like any HC, has a major influence in the playcalling.

YR

Linehan said publicly when he was hired he was tasked with running the ball more. It's clearly what the organization invested in and what they believe in.

The Dez routes--like them or hate them--they were clearly running him off to open things up underneath for Beasley and Witten to make the reads easier for Dak in that game. You might not like the idea, and that's fair, but it's not really an example of refusing to adjust. That was just the game plan. And Dak did have opportunities to get the ball to Dez in the end zone that game. He just missed them.

 

[haleyrules]

You have to be willfully blind to not like the direction the team is heading. Or to think teams win 13 games in the NFL without being able to coach effectively. Or to think coaching, for that matter, was the primary reason we lost the GB game.

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[Doomsday101]

The one thing that makes me laugh at the Garrett critics is how when Dallas wins it was all Linehan but you lose a game well it is Garrett.

 

[haleyrules]

This isn't an interesting conversation, so I'm not going to have it. You can noodle out on your own why I think criticizing a team that runs the ball at a higher rate than any other team in the league for 'abandoning the run' is a baseless criticism.

lol. Garrett's a turd! .

 

[haleyrules]

So, if we've moved off of the current team and are looking instead at past teams (let's pretend we're in the '*Was* Garrett not a good coach?" thread for a minute). Here's where we've been in terms of % of rushes since the team completed it's OL overhaul with the drafting of Zack Martin:

2016: 1st
2015: 10th
2014: 3rd

And here's where we were in the years prior:

2013: 29th
2012: 31st
2011: 22nd
2010: 20th

We've run the ball more as the OL has improved. We ran it less when we didn't trust the OL to get the job done. It didn't have anything to do with whether or not Jason Garrett is or was a good coach.

As for the GB game, here's the play by play again.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=400927749

First drive, we ran twice in four plays, then Witten gave up that sack and put us in a passing situation. Second drive, we ran it four out of seven plays, until the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty put us in 2nd and 20. The third possession was a three-and-out where we ran it once for 2 yards. Yes, we could have run it on first down there like we had on the previous two drive-starters. We weren't going to run it on 3rd and 8, though. Not a lot to complain about with the run v. pass play calling there.

Instead, look at the GB drives. Their fullback ripped us for 20 on 2nd and 8, and Rodgers absolutely shredded us in the passing game.

It's not about play calling. It's not about clock management. This game is about passing effectively and stopping their QB. If you do those two things, you usually win. If you don't, you lose. We lost because we couldn't stop Aaron Rodgers early. It had nothing to do with abandoning the running game.

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[Idgit]

lol. Garrett's a turd! .

Yeah, but he's not without some corn and some peanuts. Admit it. There are a couple peanuts in there.

 

[Hardline]

IMO, his strengths are talent evaluating and keeping the team focused. He's a Monday-Saturday guy.

Coach Garrett in a nutshell.

 

[haleyrules]

Yeah, but he's not without some corn and some peanuts. Admit it. There are a couple peanuts in there.

lol. There "were" a couple of peanuts in there! .

 

[Silver N Blue]

Jason Garrett is not a good coach? read article below, this should be fun.

https://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/...ll-jason-garrett-good-coach?ref=SPORGWIRE.com

"You need your coach to help you win a couple of games every year," Davis said. "Tony Romo was good for eight games, and most of the time, when he was there with Jason Garrett, they went 8-8. Jason Garrett is not a great coach. He went 12-4 -- he lost his quarterback, they went 4-12."

Davis continued to say that the offensive line, Dak Prescott and Ezekiel Elliott got Dallas to the playoffs, but that Garrett could not help the Cowboys advance.

"When he got to the playoffs, when it comes down to coaching and X's and O's, what happened? They went out again," Davis said. "Jason Garrett is not a good coach. Dak can give you seven, eight games -- I think Dak is that type of quarterback. You need Jason Garrett to give you nine, 10, 11, 12. He's not going to do it."

I added the main blurb in here. Davis has a solid point and IMO I have to agree. Not just playoffs but crunch time in big games. I hope he turns it around but it is hard to argue with Red's track record.