Garrett vs. Fisher

[DallasEast]

It is kind of ironic though that the same people who didn't want to give him any blame during the three 8-8 seasons now want to give him all the credit for the 5-1 start.

lmao if that finger's pointing my way. I could dig up a few personal posts. I would start with the Packers game from last season...

By the way, who are a few of the "same people?"

 

[rcaldw]

Don't think Fisher gave up the TD. His DB did.
He is playing with a no name back up QB.

If we gave this current Dallas team to Fisher and current Rams team to Garrett.....That's the real question. I still don't think Garrett outperforms Fisher.

ah, ok. The way you just dealt with Fisher is how all the Garrett critics have dealt with him? And on your second question, how many times have Garrett and Fisher faced each other as head coaches? How many times has Fisher won?

 

[Idgit]

It is kind of ironic though that the same people who didn't want to give him any blame during the three 8-8 seasons now want to give him all the credit for the 5-1 start.

I'm not sure there's anybody who posts here who hasn't acknowledged that Jason's got some limitations or that he hasn't made his share of mistakes as Head Coach.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm not sure there's anybody who posts here who hasn't acknowledged that Jason's got some limitations or that he hasn't made his share of mistakes as Head Coach.

what gets me is this fascination will the term "All" credit. Winning involves many never 1, being a leader is not about taking all the credit

 

[mldardy]

Fisher is just doing a horrible job in St. Louis. They aren't completely devoid of talent on defense yet they aren't that good on that end right now. They have been snake bit on offense losing your star QB for the last year and a half. But they also lack talent on offense at the skill positions. They have 2 pretty solid TEs but absolutely nothing at WR and RB.

He's not a star and they weren't missing him whether he was playing or not.

 

[khiladi]

http://cowboysblog.***BANNED-URL***...teams-offensive-play-caller-next-season.html/

Got to love when this first happened:

“It’s not a step back for Jason. It’s actually a step forward for Jason in my mind,” Jones said. “Make no mistake about it, when I hired Jason to come into the organization as a coach he was hired specifically for his skills for his abilities to call the plays. When he became the head coach, it was at my insistence that he continue to call the plays. It was not at Jason’s insistence. It is not a step back for the Cowboys or a step back individually for him to change the way we basically are putting our game plan together or are calling the plays on the offensive side of the ball. As you well know, differences in opinion can frankly be a step in a better direction.

“Rest assured, this would not be being done if our head coach Jason Garrett was not absolutely all in.”

Check 1 - Garrett was hired on calling plays
Check 2 - Jerry denies that Garrett never insisted he needs to call plays, though he was doing it and Jerry wanted it
Check 3 - Jerry says that GAME-PLANNING as well as CALLING THE PLAYS is changing, meaning Garrett is being removed more from that equation
Check 4 - Jerry admits differences of opinion, implying that this was not agreed upon, but that they are good

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...ys-garrett-was-real-offensive-coordinator.ece

And after the season was over,

He added that in 2013, coach Jason Garrett had "the last pencil down" with regards to the offense. Buck stopped with him.Garrett, not Bill Callahan, "was really your [offensive] coordinator last year. That's a fact.," Jones said.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/2/24/5443946/jerry-jones-cowboys-crying-jason-garrett

"That wasn't the plan," Jones said at the combine on Sunday, via the Dallas Morning News. "Going into training camp, going into [organized team activities], going into that period of the time, the plan was for Bill to ultimately be the play-caller with Romo executing it."

So Garrett couldn't let the play-calling go.

"He will have a lot more time spent on defense than he will on offense," Jones said. "We want his input on defense."

Garrett was relegated to the 'defense'.

Oh yeah, I especially love this quote:

"I have seen people work just as strong or stronger without knowing where the future is," Jones said, via the San Antonio Express-News. "He has a high tolerance for ambiguity. That is very important in this situation."

Jerry essentially calls Garrett's role as ambiguous... LOL

 

[rcaldw]

http://cowboysblog.***BANNED-URL***...teams-offensive-play-caller-next-season.html/

Got to love when this first happened:



Check 1 - Garrett was hired on calling plays
Check 2 - Jerry denies that Garrett never insisted he needs to call plays, though he was doing it and Jerry wanted it
Check 3 - Jerry says that GAME-PLANNING as well as CALLING THE PLAYS is changing, meaning Garrett is being removed more from that equation
Check 4 - Jerry admits differences of opinion, implying that this was not agreed upon, but that they are good

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...ys-garrett-was-real-offensive-coordinator.ece

And after the season was over,



http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/2/24/5443946/jerry-jones-cowboys-crying-jason-garrett



So Garrett couldn't let the play-calling go.



Garrett was relegated to the 'defense'.

Oh yeah, I especially love this quote:



Jerry essentially calls Garrett's role as ambiguous... LOL

You just demonstrated why your posts are so untrustworthy. Did you even stop to read the context for the last quote that you offered in your argument? The ambiguity that Jones was referring to was Garrett operating without a contract renewal for this next season it had nothing to do with his role as head coach. Misuse or misunderstanding of the material you are trying to use to make a hopeless case.

 

[khiladi]

You just demonstrated why your posts are so untrustworthy. Did you even stop to read the context for the last quote that you offered in your argument? The ambiguity that Jones was referring to was Garrett operating without a contract renewal for this next season it had nothing to do with his role as head coach. Misuse or misunderstanding of the material you are trying to use to make a hopeless case.

You mean 'high tolerance for ambiguity' is part of the process? Why you mad? I'm just quoting Jerry.

 

[rcaldw]

You mean 'high tolerance for ambiguity' is part of the process? Why you mad? I'm just quoting Jerry.

Not.mad at all, did you even understand my point? I'm actually enjoying your high wire act. It gets more death defying each week.

 

[khiladi]

Not.mad at all, did you even understand my point? I'm actually enjoying your high wire act. It gets more death defying each week.

It's hard living in the delusion, I know... Jason got 'demoted' from play-calling and game planning, was even interfered with play-calling last year per Jerry's own words, Jerry delegated him to walk the defense, and you were arguing last year that Jerry is ruining the franchise and Romo keeps checking out of the running plays Garrett is calling... And Jerry calls Jason's role as ambiguous.. and now, it's all part of the process and you trying to compare Fisher to Garrett, trying to call people out... the nerve of them!

 

[dupree89]

I absolutely wanted Jeff Fisher. But it certainly hasn't gone as planned in STL. When you pick the wrong QB or that QB has a lot of injuries, it sets back the franchise several years. I think that has played a part in the not winning in STL.

But yes, I am not afraid to admit that Fisher hasn't gotten it done with the Rams. Its so much easier on message boards to say you made a mistake, rather than constantly trying to defend your stance, despite having the results show otherwise.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Why are you comparing JG to Fisher only?

Why not compare JG to Harbaugh or Chip Kelly? Two coaches that actually took their teams to the playoffs their first year. They didn't need multiple 8-8 season processes to do so.

Wait. They also didn't need multiple seasons to fix a culture that was full of mediocrity either. It took Garrett 4 years to change 14 years of a MESS. And it was truly 14 years. I know we had a 13-3 season but the culture wasn't great than at that time either and they also had 13 Pro Bowlers and were first round exits.

You guys and your Garrett agenda....I just don't get it. WHY wouldn't you want Garrett to work out? The players like to play for him....the coaches like to coach with him.....I just don't get it.

And I believe the OP put up Fisher and Garrett because EVERYONE fell for Fisher's overrated coaching history and wanted him here. He's done nothing but ruin the Rams franchise and gets out coached more often than not.

 

[Idgit]

http://cowboysblog.***BANNED-URL***...teams-offensive-play-caller-next-season.html/

Got to love when this first happened:

Check 1 - Garrett was hired on calling plays
Check 2 - Jerry denies that Garrett never insisted he needs to call plays, though he was doing it and Jerry wanted it
Check 3 - Jerry says that GAME-PLANNING as well as CALLING THE PLAYS is changing, meaning Garrett is being removed more from that equation
Check 4 - Jerry admits differences of opinion, implying that this was not agreed upon, but that they are good

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...ys-garrett-was-real-offensive-coordinator.ece

And after the season was over,
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/2/24/5443946/jerry-jones-cowboys-crying-jason-garrett
So Garrett couldn't let the play-calling go.

Garrett was relegated to the 'defense'.

Oh yeah, I especially love this quote:

Jerry essentially calls Garrett's role as ambiguous... LOL

For anybody scoring at home, khiladi has now confused the word 'changing' with the phrase 'Jason Garrett has nothing to do with.' Well, actually he's confusing it with 'being removed more from that equation,' which barely has a meaning and isn't exactly the same thing, but he's using that thin dodge to hide behind for the time being.

Yes, we knew that bringing in Scott Linehan was going to have an impact on the offense. You might even go so far as to suggest that was kind of the point. Let's not mistake that with the obvious fact that this is Jason Garrett's team and he's doing a great job with it so far this season. Go Cowboys.

 

[khiladi]

For anybody scoring at home, khiladi has now confused the word 'changing' with the phrase 'Jason Garrett has nothing to do with.' Well, actually he's confusing it with 'being removed more from that equation,' which isn't exactly the same thing, but he's using that thin dodge to hide behind for the time being.

Yes, we knew that bringing in Scott Linehan was going to have an impact on the offense. You might even go so far as to suggest that was kind of the point. Let's not mistake that with the obvious fact that this is Jason Garrett's team and he's doing a great job with it so far this season. Go Cowboys.

Of course, here comes Idgit comes in talking about absolutes, while arguing with me all last year the fault was the defense and our offense was such a stunning success and play-action has nothing to do with success and so on.. And here we are, the complaint is on all the "Jason Garrett hate"...

Maybe, just maybe some people need to concede something to OTHER than Garrett, as opposed to some 'process' of his and some vague phrases like 'RKG'... I'm all for not upsetting this dynamic of Jason chilling and clapping, as long as Linehan, Romo, Marinelli and men like Callahan can do their jobs...

 

[Hoov]

Why are you comparing JG to Fisher only?

Why not compare JG to Harbaugh or Chip Kelly? Two coaches that actually took their teams to the playoffs their first year. They didn't need multiple 8-8 season processes to do so.

Harbaugh inherited a very good team.

Harbaugh's 49ers are the most penalized team in the NFL right now. All his whining to the ref's and his jumpimg up and down and screaming and spastic motions that some attribute to passsion dont seem to help.

I'll take the robot.

 

[TwoDeep3]

How many times was the comparison made by some. Well.... did you see the end of the first half of tonight's Monday night game? Long TD given up just before half? ESPN post game called it "JUNIOR HIGH FOOTBALL." Hmmm.... I thought Fisher was a REAL coach.

Just another example of how people try to accentuate every Garrett "mistake" but ignore the stuff that happens in the NFL EVERY single weekend.

This is the same mistake so many around here make.

If I tell you to go close the window and you instead shut the door, is it my fault?

If players don't execute, or get out executed, the head coach takes the brunt of the critique.

In Garrett's case, his critique was about his in game decisions. Mostly clock management, and passing so damn much.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Their biggest problems on offense are that their franchise QB got hurt yet again. That kills your offense every time and their biggest offensive weapon, or the one they hoped would be, has yet to do anything for them. Austin hasn't lived up to the hype of his ability so far.

 

[khiladi]

Their biggest problems on offense are that their franchise QB got hurt yet again. That kills your offense every time and their biggest offensive weapon, or the one they hoped would be, has yet to do anything for them. Austin hasn't lived up to the hype of his ability so far.

I don't watch enough of them to make a judgment. I know going in, people were talking about their DL being one of the best, if not best in the NFL if I remember correctly. And Stafford is hurt. He's also, from an organizational point of view, stacked a lot of picks.

 

[Zman5]

Harbaugh inherited a very good team.

Harbaugh's 49ers are the most penalized team in the NFL right now. All his whining to the ref's and his jumpimg up and down and screaming and spastic motions that some attribute to passsion dont seem to help.

I'll take the robot.

You can have the robot with three 8-8 seasons. I'll take 3 straight NFCC and a SB appearance.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I don't watch enough of them to make a judgment. I know going in, people were talking about their DL being one of the best, if not best in the NFL if I remember correctly. And Stafford is hurt. He's also, from an organizational point of view, stacked a lot of picks.

Their D-Line was supposed to be unblockable or something going into the year because of already having Quinn and Long and then picking Donald.

I believe Long has been banged up this season so that's not helped them. I don't watch them enough but I don't recall hearing a whole lot of noise out of Quinn so far this year but I could be wrong there.

Donald is a rookie who I don't believe has quite made the impact a lot of people thought he would right out of the gate.

Not having Bradford (I'm assuming that's who you were talking about instead of Stafford who is the Detroit QB...or maybe they have a DLineman by that name that I'm not aware of) has once again set their offense back and then having their back up QB be banged up as well hasn't helped them any at all.