Garrett: we don’t use those numbers during a game

[Haimerej]

Going for a TD when you finally get in the red zone with 6 minutes left in the game is the aggressive move. Kicking a FG and hoping you can then make a 2nd consecutive trip down the field for a TD when you hadn't done it all game is just crossing your fingers and hoping against hope.

They went 2-13 on 3rd down and a lot of those were less than 7 yards and all of them had more field in play. How are you not crossing your fingers going on 4th and 7 in the red zone?

 

[Aviano90]

His job is to make the calls that result in wins. How he played it yesterday resulted in a loss.

He far too often makes the wrong move at ends of games.

Which call would have resulted in a win? I'll take that one every time.

 

[Hennessy_King]

I agree it is the right call. You agree it is the right call.

When has Garrett made a tough call that failed and he wasn't hammered for it? Every single one he gets blasted for it the call doesn't work out. Maybe you wouldn't in this case, but a lot of other people would. That's how it goes...some people agree with the call and others don't.

The majority and analysts would have defended it. No one defended that FG. Why, because it was 100% pointless. Getting a FG does nothing other than make your offense have to have a longer td drive.

 

[OmerV]

It's 100% the right call. So garrett would have tried the XP. And maher probably misses because it's maher and it's windy and outside. And ppl here would be defending it. Why drag out the inevitable go for the win. If you don't make it you weren't good enough.

By kicking the FG they wouldn't have even needed a 2 point conversion to win on the last possession though, so it's really a non issue. And they naturally wouldn't have gone for it on the 2nd to last possession because they were going to get the ball back one more time.

 

[BHendri5]

This is a stupid thread

 

[CyberB0b]

Ivy league education. Doesn't like facts.

 

[Hennessy_King]

They went 2-13 on 3rd down and a lot of those were less than 7 yards and all of them had more field in play. How are you not crossing your fingers going on 4th and 7 in the red zone?

So let's drive 92 yards and never have to convert a 3rd down? lol. How'd that 3rd & 11 and 4th & 11 turn out?

 

[HungryLion]

It was your logic. You said it was the wrong call because they lost. If that's the barometer then what I said applies.



Actually, you are arguing about that call. Don't you see the arguments you keep posting regarding the call?

On the topic of analytics, I don't care if they're used or not. Probabilities are not certainties.

No. The call to kick a field goal at that point is not the same as a call to pass earlier in the game that gains 53 yards. You equating the two is a logical fallacy and is quite frankly, dumb.


Actually gaining 53 yards on that play increases the teams probability of winning.

kicking the FG in that situation actually lowered the teams probability of winning.

do you understand yet?

 

[Haimerej]

Which call would have resulted in a win? I'll take that one every time.

Lol. Who wouldn't?

I always love it when they use the, "score more than your opponent," strategy. I can't think of a time when deciding to score less ever won a game.

 

[Hennessy_King]

By kicking the FG they wouldn't have even needed a 2 point conversion to win on the last possession though, so it's really a non issue. And they naturally wouldn't have gone for it on the 2nd to last possession because they were going to get the ball back one more time.

You go for 2. If you don't make it you still need to make a fg to win. Don't play for ties in pro football. How many times have we seen this mentality get this team beat.

 

[Sydla]

They went 2-13 on 3rd down and a lot of those were less than 7 yards and all of them had more field in play. How are you not crossing your fingers going on 4th and 7 in the red zone?

You are. But in that situation, you are giving yourself possibly two opportunities to score what you need at a minimum........... a TD.

If you miss the 4th down play, you still are in the same situation as you would be if you took the 3......... make a stop and score a TD.

So in your head, the odds are greater that we can mount a TD drive after kicking a FG then converting a 4th down? That makes little sense, especially in light of the fact you just cited how crappy we were on 3rd downs the entire game.

The TD is the more important score in that situation. I'll gladly take two opportunies (the 4th down play and possibly the last drive) over one opportunity to score that needed TD.

 

[Haimerej]

So let's drive 92 yards and never have to convert a 3rd down? lol. How'd that 3rd & 11 and 4th & 11 turn out?

With this offense, I'm more comfortable thinking they would've converted a big play to Cooper than consistently converting 4th and 7 in the red zone.

 

[HungryLion]

This is a stupid thread

Is that you @zrinkill??

 

[Hennessy_King]

With this offense, I'm more comfortable thinking they would've converted a big play to Cooper than consistently converting 4th and 7 in the red zone.

They had 1 big play all game. And that's what you bank on lol. This isn't pop warner

 

[Haimerej]

No. The call to kick a field goal at that point is not the same as a call to pass earlier in the game that gains 53 yards. You equating the two is a logical fallacy and is quite frankly, dumb.


Actually gaining 53 yards on that play increases the teams probability of winning.

kicking the FG in that situation actually lowered the teams probability of winning.

do you understand yet?

Do you understand that you used the barometer of, "we lost the game," and I used your barometer to show it's fallacy? If you're now switching to, "probability," then you've moved the goal posts. Either way, I think probability is meaningless when you actually have an outcome.

 

[Jake]

They went 2-13 on 3rd down and a lot of those were less than 7 yards and all of them had more field in play. How are you not crossing your fingers going on 4th and 7 in the red zone?

I'd rather cross my fingers from their 7 than from our own 8. The field goal only gave New England better field position than a failed 4th down, and we still needed a TD.

It was a typical Garrett move. Conservative, paying no attention to the numbers, just going with his gut.

 

[Brax]

It's unbelievable. My 8th grade son is practicing every night in 30-40 degrees in NJ. Even in the rain last week. This team is so soft.

Just wait till JG gets that HC job things will change, it's a process remember. (have a great Turkey day) ..................

 

[Sydla]

With this offense, I'm more comfortable thinking they would've converted a big play to Cooper than consistently converting 4th and 7 in the red zone.

You just said they were something like 2-13 on 3rd down. The conditions were terrible. Why in the world would you think the odds are better that Cooper will rip off a big play in that situation than giving yourself two chances to score a TD?

 

[Sydla]

They had 1 big play all game. And that's what you bank on lol. This isn't pop warner

It's weird.

He cites other events from the game like our bad 3rd down conversion rate to justify his point but then turns around and says the odds were better that Cooper could rip off a big play despite the fact that game showed we had little big play ability given the NE defense, the conditions, etc.

 

[Haimerej]

You are. But in that situation, you are giving yourself possibly two opportunities to score what you need at a minimum........... a TD.

If you miss the 4th down play, you still are in the same situation as you would be if you took the 3......... make a stop and score a TD.

So in your head, the odds are greater that we can mount a TD drive after kicking a FG then converting a 4th down? That makes little sense, especially in light of the fact you just cited how crappy we were on 3rd downs the entire game.

The TD is the more important score in that situation. I'll gladly take two opportunies (the 4th down play and possibly the last drive) over one opportunity to score that needed TD.

You had 2 opportunities and the first resulted in getting at least some points. Sure, you still need another TD, but at least that would win instead of tie.