GM's Comments on Roy Williams

[AbeBeta]

I know what they mean to say, but that's not what they say. Maybe they should say what they mean, instead of something that's obviously false.

Seriously, that's some robot logic. 01010010101010100000101010011001100110101010101010 -- you know what I'm sayin'

 

[AdamJT13]

Seriously, that's some robot logic. 01010010101010100000101010011001100110101010101010 -- you know what I'm sayin'

I can't say that I do.

Oh, wait. Is "robot" supposed to be an insult?

Grow up.

 

[theogt]

 

[AbeBeta]

I can't say that I do.

Oh, wait. Is "robot" supposed to be an insult?

Grow up.

What I'm saying here is that you've got to be a little less literal. Anyone with half a brain knows that "can't cover" is not a reasonable description of any DB in the league if taken literally as you've done.

 

[Disturbed]

This just in "Not a myth, Roy Sucks in Coverage". Yes, that is right - he was put to the test today when they let granny (an 80 year old women) on the practice field to run a pass route against Roy. And Granny scored a touchdown.

So, Roy Can't Cover!!!!

:laugh1:

 

[AdamJT13]

What I'm saying here is that you've got to be a little less literal. Anyone with half a brain knows that "can't cover" is not a reasonable description of any DB in the league if taken literally as you've done.

So what's your point?

You just made mine.

 

[Rampage]

So what's your point?

You just made mine.

his point is you take things to literally when it comes to Bambi. you know what they mean yet you continue to pick it apart so you get praised by theogt,iceberg and the rest of your groupies.

 

[AbeBeta]

So what's your point?

You just made mine.

If your point was that "can't cover" is an idiotic statement then congrats. You've taken that straw man and kicked its butt.

Let's get back to the original point -- you've argued many times that Roy is not so bad in coverage. I've never been in the "can't cover camp" -- my interest initially was how you respond to those 4 GMs who say it isn't his strength. A simple agree or disagree with each GM is fine.

 

[AdamJT13]

his point is you take things to literally when it comes to Bambi. you know what they mean yet you continue to pick it apart so you get praised by theogt,iceberg and the rest of your groupies.

I've never had to "continue to pick it apart" because everyone knows it's not true. It was merely one thing on a long list (38 things when it started, 48 at last update). Some of them are things everyone knows are completely false, and others are things that people actually believe.

 

[AdamJT13]

If your point was that "can't cover" is an idiotic statement then congrats. You've taken that straw man and kicked its butt.

Let's get back to the original point -- you've argued many times that Roy is not so bad in coverage. I've never been in the "can't cover camp" -- my interest initially was how you respond to those 4 GMs who say it isn't his strength. A simple agree or disagree with each GM is fine.

It's never been his strength. It wasn't his strength in college, and it's never been his strength in the NFL. I've said that many times.

 

[Cowboyz88]

Let me some this up very quickly:

Those who no nothing about Roy:
These 4 NFL GMs, Terrance Newman, Greg Ellis, Babe Laufenberg, Mickey Spagnola, Clancy Pendergast, Me, Randy Galloway, JJT, JFE, Darren Woodson, Mel Renfro, Eli Manning, Plaxico Burress, You, "Anonymous" Dallas Cowboys team sources (because no one can understand the concept that team employees openly bagging on a player might cost them their job), Vela, Chris Mortensen, and the countless number of others (amateur and professional alike) who, now and always, must be besmirched on this board for daring to question the play of Roy in light of his recent play.

Carry on.

 

[WDN]

Let me some this up very quickly:

Those who no nothing about Roy:
These 4 NFL GMs, Terrance Newman, Greg Ellis, Babe Laufenberg, Mickey Spagnola, Clancy Pendergast, Me, Randy Galloway, JJT, JFE, Darren Woodson, Mel Renfro, Eli Manning, Plaxico Burress, You, "Anonymous" Dallas Cowboys team sources (because no one can understand the concept that team employees openly bagging on a player might cost them their job), Vela, Chris Mortensen, and the countless number of others (amateur and professional alike) who, now and always, must be besmirched on this board for daring to question the play of Roy in light of his recent play.

Carry on.

 

[AbeBeta]

It's never been his strength. It wasn't his strength in college, and it's never been his strength in the NFL. I've said that many times.

Can you clarify strength?

You mentioned Ware's strength wasn't the run -- but he's still a pretty good run defender for an OLB. So compared to other OLBs you'd say he's still a good run defender.

How does Roy stack up, to you, against other safeties?

 

[chinch]

what the Roy spin men fail to realize is no GM would give us squat for him. who wants a SAFETY that can't cover?

if jerruh traded for him you guys would be in an uproar at the stupidity.

Have at 'em folks. I do think it is interesting that GMs endorse "myths" about Roy. I guess GMs don't know what they are talking about.

from ...http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10855212

Roy Williams, safety, Dallas


GM No. 1: "Probably a third-rounder. He's a box safety who's limited in coverage. In my estimation he's overrated because there are certain things he can't do -- though tackling isn't one of them. He's a good, physical player, but, like I said, he's limited. Now when you're looking at what you could get in the third round at safety, there's no comparison. He's better. Much better. Still, I wouldn't give up much more than that."

GM No. 2: "He's always been a talented player, but he's more of a linebacker than a safety who can cover. Someone like John Lynch. It's been documented how much trouble he has covering receivers, but he's very active and very physical. The guy has problems now, so how do you deal with it? The Cowboys do it by taking him off the field. From what I know of him he has no character issues, but now you have some of his teammates popping off and you wonder where it goes from here. But, I'll be honest with you, I don't know enough about the guy to know what I would give for him. All I know is he's limited, and that would make me wary."

GM No. 3: "I wouldn't want him because he can't cover. He has to find a defense that suits him because the closer he is to the defensive line the better he is, and the farther away he is the more he becomes a liability."

GM No. 4: "You'd have to fit him to the right scheme because he's more of a box safety than he is someone who can help you in the passing game. He's still young and healthy, so that's good. And if you find the right club -- say, like a New England, where Rodney Harrison was a good fit -- he can be productive and make big plays. If I'm that team I might be interested in dealing a low second- or a third-round pick."

 

[EMMITTnROY]

Let me some this up very quickly:

Those who no nothing about Roy:
These 4 NFL GMs, Terrance Newman, Greg Ellis, Babe Laufenberg, Mickey Spagnola, Clancy Pendergast, Me, Randy Galloway, JJT, JFE, Darren Woodson, Mel Renfro, Eli Manning, Plaxico Burress, You, "Anonymous" Dallas Cowboys team sources (because no one can understand the concept that team employees openly bagging on a player might cost them their job), Vela, Chris Mortensen, and the countless number of others (amateur and professional alike) who, now and always, must be besmirched on this board for daring to question the play of Roy in light of his recent play.

Carry on.

Let me sum this up very quickly:

Those who know nothing about spelling or grammar: Cowboyz88

Carry on.

 

[EMMITTnROY]

what the Roy spin men fail to realize is no GM would give us squat for him. who wants a SAFETY that can't cover?

if jerruh traded for him you guys would be in an uproar at the stupidity.

really? a 2nd rounder isn't squat? try reading that article you quoted, friend..

 

[Rampage]

I've never had to "continue to pick it apart" because everyone knows it's not true. It was merely one thing on a long list (38 things when it started, 48 at last update). Some of them are things everyone knows are completely false, and others are things that people actually believe.

yes you do. you even made a myth thread about it. like i said before you know what they mean yet you continue to pick it apart.

 

[EMMITTnROY]

yes you do. you even made a myth thread about it. like i said before you know what they mean yet you continue to pick it apart.

if you guys want to rip Adam for taking things so literal, then you guys are also guilty for blanket statements..

 

[chinch]

really? a 2nd rounder isn't squat? try reading that article you quoted, friend..

If I'm that team I might be interested in dealing a low second- or a third-round pick."

lots of ifs and mights.

roy was a #8 overall... do the math

 

[AbeBeta]

if you guys want to rip Adam for taking things so literal, then you guys are also guilty for blanket statements..

I would suggest that anyone with half a brain knows that those blanket statements when taken in their most literal form are not true.