Good News/Bad News- Bruce Carter to be activated on Sunday

[Alexander]

Was not talking about just this year. Hey you want to cry over this go for it, it is become a common thing

You do realize the NFL modified where the ball is being kicked off from, right?

The fact that it is "this year" is completely relevant and pretty much vital to the entire debate.

 

[Doomsday101]

What teams are carrying two kickers when the main FG kicker isn't injured?

This year none but it has been done over the years

 

[ZeroClub]

So, dismiss the ideas it is about saving face.

Can we agree it is about Jerry Jones knowing nothing about running an effective football team by cutting one player who has utility while keeping another for lord know's what reason?

I have yet to see a cogent, reasonable explanation for why this is the only NFL team in the league that employs two placekickers on their active roster, much less can explain why we carried one that is injured.

Is this about salary cap / injury settlement?

I assume that Buehler is safe until he's healthy .... and then things might change.

 

[Doomsday101]

You do realize the NFL modified where the ball is being kicked off from, right?

The fact that it is "this year" is completely relevant and pretty much vital to the entire debate.

I understand a new rule was put in for this year and a rule that is under scrutiny and may not be back next.

Regardless, as I mention I'm not in favor of having 2 kickers my argument is this picking and choosing you guys do. If you don't like something that is Jerry if you agree well that was someone else. Seems to be pretty convenient to play that card anytime you get upset

 

[DOUBLE WING]

This year none but it has been done over the years

You just said it's becoming common, so I would think more people than us would be doing it this year.

As Alexander said, past years don't really matter because of the fact that the ball has been moved up on kickoffs. Even prior to the rule change when it MAY have made sense, teams rarely did it. What teams had kickoff specialists in the past?

 

[CoCo]

Jerry doesn't want the 2009 draft to get any worse than it already is, hence the wasted roster spot. Pride goeth ...

Yes, because Jones has always been unwilling to admit personnel mistakes. That's why Marion Barber, Roy Williams (S), Roy Williams (WR), etc are still here.

Not sure why some feel like DB is the tipping point for the 2009 draft. It was a bad Dallas draft whether Buehler is here or not.

 

[Alexander]

Is this about salary cap / injury settlement?

I assume that Buehler is safe until he's healthy .... and then things might change.

And that is completely a completely valid reason. Cheap. But valid.

But nevermind, Jason Garrett is in charge. That should not matter. He has carte blanche.

 

[Alexander]

I understand a new rule was put in for this year and a rule that is under scrutiny and may not be back next.

Regardless, as I mention I'm not in favor of having 2 kickers my argument is this picking and choosing you guys do. If you don't like something that is Jerry if you agree well that was someone else. Seems to be pretty convenient to play that card anytime you get upset

It is convenient because the evidence points to it.

 

[JoeCorrado]

better off cutting KO than Holley

Agree with you on this one for sure. But I am happy to see Carter being activated, a week early tells me that he is ready to get involved.

I understand why we keep Choice at the moment, but I would rather see him be released than Jolly. Like kickers, there is always somebody hanging around if the need arise and the way he has played this season, I don't see Choice be any better than current Free Agents available today like Westbrook or Marony or Taylor. Heck Tiki Barber might have a season left.. anybody but Choice who doesn't want to be here anyway.

Our special teams are a strength, why mess with success. And our special teams are solid with just one place kicker too.

Not sure why we have to carry two kickers. There is always a serviceable kicker available out there somewhere should the need arise. Taking up space on our 53 is nothing more than a self inflicted wound. Keeping an extra on the "chance" that he might be needed to attempt a 60+ yard FG that he might make is silliness.

 

[JD_KaPow]

You do realize the NFL modified where the ball is being kicked off from, right?

The fact that it is "this year" is completely relevant and pretty much vital to the entire debate.

So far, this year, Bailey is one of the worst in the league at generating touchbacks - only Cleveland's kicker has been worse. So, really, nothing has changed from the beginning of the season, when the decision was made to keep two kickers. Bailey's kickoffs are bad, relative to his peers, under this year's rules. You may disagree with the decision, but the situation that led to the decision has not changed.

(I'm actually on board with ditching Buehler at this point - our kickoff coverage has been excellent, which has mitigated Bailey's bad kicks so far, and Buehler wasn't actually all that impressive when he was out there earlier in the season.)

 

[JIGGYFLY]

Yes, it is completely laughable when you consider the available evidence.

On one hand, we have the owner/GM who has gone on record to voice his desire to have a kicker on the roster who can do what Buehler can do.

On the other hand, we have a head coach who has suggested nothing like that.

Garrett has gone on the record to say the same things about the kicker, but for some reason you choose to ignore them.

There is zero evidence that Jerry is not listening to his coaching staff regarding Buehler in fact he has quoted Joe D and Garret several times when discussing Buehler.

But please show me on instance of Garret ever saying anything remotely intimating he wants Buehler off the roster.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

So far, this year, Bailey is one of the worst in the league at generating touchbacks - only Cleveland's kicker has been worse. So, really, nothing has changed from the beginning of the season, when the decision was made to keep two kickers. Bailey's kickoffs are bad, relative to his peers, under this year's rules. You may disagree with the decision, but the situation that led to the decision has not changed.

(I'm actually on board with ditching Buehler at this point - our kickoff coverage has been excellent, which has mitigated Bailey's bad kicks so far, and Buehler wasn't actually all that impressive when he was out there earlier in the season.)

The coverage has been excellent, which nullifies the touchbacks because even when Bailey's kick isn't a touchback, it at least makes it to the end zone and a lot of the time the returner brings the ball out and we actually tackle him before the 20 yard line.

 

[Alexander]

Garrett has gone on the record to say the same things about the kicker, but for some reason you choose to ignore them.

Find them for me and I may reconsider my stance.

 

[Idgit]

We're not going to carry two kickers and 4 WRs in order to add another ILB. Sheesh.

And as for the KO yardage differential, there's ~19 yard/return differential between the best KO returners in the league and the worst. If a second kicker moves us from lower-middling to top-5 in the league in terms of opponents' net starting field position, and we're kicking off 4+ times/game, that might be 30-40 yards of field position differential for what's essentially the last player on the active roster each week. How many teams get that production out of that spot, honestly?

 

[JIGGYFLY]

It is convenient because the evidence points to it.

What evidence are you using?

Yeah a twitter post from Witt is a real smoking gun.

I give you the fact that Jerry has cut 2 players from his most recent draft, the 4th round pick from last years draft.

and his top 2 picks from the 2009 draft as proof he is not trying to save face by keeping Buehler.

Please show some greater "evidence".

 

[JIGGYFLY]

Find them for me and I may reconsider my stance.

Just go to DC.com and listen to his press conferences.

 

[Alexander]

What evidence are you using?

Yeah a twitter post from Witt is a real smoking gun.

I give you the fact that Jerry has cut 2 players from his most recent draft, the 4th round pick from last years draft.

and his top 2 picks from the 2009 draft as proof he is not trying to save face by keeping Buehler.

Please show some greater "evidence".

I was referring to the evidence regarding who values the extra placekicker more, not this nonsense regarding cutting draft picks.

 

[Aven8]

Agree with you on this one for sure. But I am happy to see Carter being activated, a week early tells me that he is ready to get involved.

I understand why we keep Choice at the moment, but I would rather see him be released than Jolly. Like kickers, there is always somebody hanging around if the need arise and the way he has played this season, I don't see Choice be any better than current Free Agents available today like Westbrook or Marony or Taylor. Heck Tiki Barber might have a season left.. anybody but Choice who doesn't want to be here anyway.

Our special teams are a strength, why mess with success. And our special teams are solid with just one place kicker too.

Not sure why we have to carry two kickers. There is always a serviceable kicker available out there somewhere should the need arise. Taking up space on our 53 is nothing more than a self inflicted wound. Keeping an extra on the "chance" that he might be needed to attempt a 60+ yard FG that he might make is silliness.

Thabks Joe. This is my point also. Why keep a guy that isn't very good to begin with? DB missed too many fg's last year. It's not like he was Folk and we are waiting for his hip to heal. For that matter if Bailey was 12 of 18 I could understand even. But he's not. He's as good as Folk if not better. Plus add in the fact that you have Forbath as well then what really is the point?

Are we going to be clamoring that we wish we had DB in GB in January for the NFC title game? I think not. We are going to wishing we had Holley or whomever to tackle that rookie!

Norm has been clamoring for this since SF game. He had the stats to back it up as well. The average start for DB when kicking off was the 22. The average start for Bailey is the 21. It's moot.

My point is whomever is making the decision, JJ, JG, or even Decam it's a bad move.

 

[Alexander]

Just go to DC.com and listen to his press conferences.

What I figured.

 

[Hostile]

What I figured.

It is there. I wasn't going to be the one to tell you, but he is correct.