Hard push for Payton. Romo's only hope

[StarBoyz83]

If by some micrace that happened I would be optimistic for next season.

 

[khiladi]

He has two years left on his deal, and is almost a Jr. GM in New Orleans. It sounds like it's going to take major compensation (ie 1st rounder +) to get him. Would you pay that for him, while eating millions on Garrett's existing contract and probably Payton demanding an extension to be the highest paid coach in the league?

This is all completely ignoring the fact that he's got a rebuild in NO with a high pick coming so might groom his own QB, or will be offered chances to go places where there's a younger QB than ours to work with and near-GM capacity. Why on earth would he come here to work for the Jones'?

The Saints have given him permission to look elsewhere, from what I have heard. The Saints are having issues regarding ownership, so it wouldn't surprise me if the organization may be trying to re-arrange finances. Maybe they'll come to some sort of buy-out of Payton's contract.

 

[khiladi]

Their players make the catch too. low, high, near the sidelines, shoe string type catches. and i like how they go long quite often. Seems 10 times the amount we do.

Because they are probably in a rhythm, established by the offensive play-calling...

 

[Redball Express]

Would be getting the Payton that won a superbowl or the payton that can barely field a team with more wins then we have now?

Would we be getting Payton who fielded a decent defense only when it was with bounty gate or would we be getting a payton that has had even worse defenses than ours the last few years?

I want to know which Payton we would be paying to bring in here.

Payton is an offensive coach of very high regard.

I think with Romo for now and a new QB and RB coming out of this draft..

He and Marinelli could team and take us quickly to the top.

Linehan might even stay given that.

I can see alot to like with those coaches but Jerrah will never let it happen.

Like when Garrett was promoted..

Norv Turner was available and Jerrah passed on him.

So whatever.

 

[khiladi]

And yet, without decent QB play, that same scheme looked like HS offense. They averaged under 14 points a game once Carson went down last year and limped into the playoffs and was one and done. Bad QB play will nullify any scheme. We have had very bad play from the QB spot this year, thus we have sucked.

It could also have been because their last few games, they played a bunch of legit defenses, with a scrub QB... And that they clinched, before their last few games...

 

[khiladi]

My issue with Peyton is? that when we did have him our offense wasn't really all that great
and I understand that is a issue with personal/ownership but I just don't see how he's going
to make us "better" offensively when we all know he will never have full control

He wasn't OC here, but a QB coach. Parcells was essentially calling the plays.. He was promoted to passing game coordinator in 2005...

 

[Yakuza Rich]

And yet, without decent QB play, that same scheme looked like HS offense. They averaged under 14 points a game once Carson went down last year and limped into the playoffs and was one and done. Bad QB play will nullify any scheme. We have had very bad play from the QB spot this year, thus we have sucked.

Certainly.

But, how many times have we seen the offense sputter even with Romo because nobody is getting open?

Or how often is red zone scoring a problem with us because nobody can get open unless Romo scrambles around for a day and somebody eventually gets open?

And I don't think Palmer is better than Romo by any means. Not at this stage.





YR

 

[KJJ]

He wasn't OC here, but a QB coach. Parcells was essentially calling the plays.. He was promoted to passing game coordinator in 2005...

He was assistant head coach/QB coach in 03-04 and assistant head coach/passing game coordinator his final season with the Cowboys in 05.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Sean Payton is 5-8 with Drew Brees at QB the entire season. Why would anyone "push hard" to get him? What am I missing?

 

[DallasEast]

Three things I'm pretty sure of:

1. Jerry Jones is not going to sell the team.
2. Jerry Jones is not going to hire a GM.
3. Jason Garrett will be the coach next year.

Understanding these three immutable truths, I can:

1. Change teams.
2. Remain a Cowboys fan yet become disinterested
3. Hope

Even though I understand the definition of insanity (doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results), I also recognize that though it's the faintest of possibilities and virtually impossible, lightning CAN strike twice.

So here's to hope - both in the draft in whom we pick and a new season and the possibility that we could discover some of that 92-93 magic. I'll prepare my lightning rod.

Excellent post but the second #2 somewhat bothers me. The performance of the players might remain lackluster. Coaching decisions may continue being questionable. The general manager could consider trying out Rowdy for quarterback depth. Some fans might develop disinterest for whatever reason. My question is why would someone remain a fan of any team if the team no longer held any interest for them? I understand frustration, anger, belligerence, etc., any fan may have for the team not performing as expected. The emotions validate continued interest in the team. However why would someone remain interested in a team if the team nurtures apathy within them? That seems like false self-representation to me.

 

[khiladi]

He was assistant head coach/QB coach and assistant head coach/passing game coordinator his final season with the Cowboys.

Yes he was.. but Assistant HC is a title.. He wasn't calling plays and he wasn't the OC... He was working with Romo though, as a QB coach.

Tony Sparano was also an Assistant HC here the final year of Parcells tenure in 2006... He wasn't calling the plays either.. Parcells was effectively the play-caller the last two years here. In 2003 and 2004, Maurice Carthon was OC.

 

[khiladi]

Sean Payton is 5-8 with Drew Brees at QB the entire season. Why would anyone "push hard" to get him? What am I missing?

Because he's in a rebuilding year, with pretty much the most TO in the league. And Brees has been injured this year and they are still 9th in ranking in offense in terms of scoring, while we are 30th. And in his tenure, they have never been under 10th in the league in scoring.

And he's also won a SB with him and he got robbed a full year because of Bounty gate...

Oh yeah, and he's the reason we have Romo here anyways...

 

[noshame]

Makes no sense to pay the 25 mil left on Garrett's contract to only dish out another 30 million plus to bring in another coach. I don't see our FO spending nearly 50 million for the HC spot.

Unless you want a super bowl. Lol

 

[KJJ]

Yes he was.. but Assistant HC is a title.

Just like every head Coach Jerry's had since Jimmy left Head Coach is a title.

 

[khiladi]

Just like every head Coach Jerry's had since Jimmy left Head Coach is a title.

touche...

That being said, when Garrett has John, Jim and Judd in the organization, it's hard to argue that Garrett hasn't had the most authority out of anyone since Jimmy..

 

[Zordon]

If we keep the status quo, we're going to be here 5 years from now complaining about the same things.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Certainly.

But, how many times have we seen the offense sputter even with Romo because nobody is getting open?

Or how often is red zone scoring a problem with us because nobody can get open unless Romo scrambles around for a day and somebody eventually gets open?

And I don't think Palmer is better than Romo by any means. Not at this stage.





YR

I agree to an extent but some of that is on the players. Bad routes, bad reads etc. For the last two years, Red's offense has been much better in the RedZone than Bruce's in AZ has been. Again, the scheme is not horrible. There are things they could do better for sure. But all this HS scheme stuff is pretty much knee jerk to the QB play we have experienced this year.

 

[cowboys1981]

Unless you want a super bowl. Lol

I've never heard of a Super Bowl being guaranteed for signing a coach. If that were the case Marino would have one by now with Jimmy.

 

[noshame]

I've never heard of a Super Bowl being guaranteed for signing a coach. If that were the case Marino would have one by now with Jimmy.

Jimmy would have had one if he could have replaced Marino

 

[snapper]

Because he's in a rebuilding year, with pretty much the most TO in the league. And Brees has been injured this year and they are still 9th in ranking in offense in terms of scoring, while we are 30th. And in his tenure, they have never been under 10th in the league in scoring.

And he's also won a SB with him and he got robbed a full year because of Bounty gate...

Oh yeah, and he's the reason we have Romo here anyways...

The question was, why a team would push hard to get him. Nudge maybe, but not push hard, especially since he has a contract.