Has to be said on bringing back Murray

[Galian Beast]

I'm on board with your overall point.

But I clearly don't want Peterson.

He not the type of player we need.

I don't care for his handling of his situation with his legal problems and his clear lack of remorse about the abuse issues with the child.

He thinks he's above it all.

No..

this team finally has established leadership that it lacked in the past.

Murray has been instrumental.

Like Witten and Romo and Scandrick and Sean Lee and Dez have been.

I think the money is available to keep Murray and Dez.

They will have to work the numbers.

Its possible Clayborne and Carr get let go if needed.

But both those guys can be replaced without a lot of cost.

How did that leadership help us with him fumbling in the playoffs? Not saying AP can't fumble the ball, but his return and value are greater than Murray, and I believe he will come cheaper than Murray if he is available. A no brainer, in my mind.

Claiborne's contract is guaranteed.

Every dollar we spend on Murray, comes directly away from signing players on defense. It's not worth it. This team needs to field the best defensive possible next year. I'd rather go RBC with what we have right now than sign Murray for 8 million a year. That's two starters on defense, maybe even three.

 

[Redball Express]

How did that leadership help us with him fumbling in the playoffs? Not saying AP can't fumble the ball, but his return and value are greater than Murray, and I believe he will come cheaper than Murray if he is available. A no brainer, in my mind.

Claiborne's contract is guaranteed.

Every dollar we spend on Murray, comes directly away from signing players on defense. It's not worth it. This team needs to field the best defensive possible next year. I'd rather go RBC with what we have right now than sign Murray for 8 million a year. That's two starters on defense, maybe even three.

I see your points about spreading the money to help the defense.

Problem is..

this team is built around offensive firepower.

Its built to help Romo win.

From the skill positions to the OL.

I don't see the owner nor the vets like Written and Romo allowing Murray if they can help it leave unless he just clearly doesn't want to stay.

Which by all accounts is not the case.

Therefore..

I see Romo, Witten and others redoing their deals to keep Murray and Dez home.

It would clearly benefit their careers to do so.

We defense will improve with Lee returning, a #1 pick on the DL and the rest of the defense getting another year under Marinnelli.

Who knows if Durant and McClain manage to sign again we should be OK if it goes well with injuies.

I don' t think the defense in anyway doesn't go forward.

So I'm not in panic mode at all.

Panic mode was back in August when Lawrence went down in TC.

And that proved less than it appeared on the surface at the time.

 

[JoeKing]

His current contract has little bearing on a future contract...

He's in the middle of a multiyear deal so for the time being his future includes his current contract.

 

[JoeKing]

That is his contract with the Vikings. It has no bearing on what he would get paid if they cut him. The 12.75M base salary is not guaranteed. They can cut him and owe him nothing.

If you were trading for him, then the contract would go with him, but we're not talking about a trade, we're talking about the Vikings cutting him because of his issues and because they would have to pay him 12.75M to play in 2015.

If you were paying attention around here you would know that I already know his contract situation with the Vikings.

You said we don't know what salary he is currently commanding so I just pointed it out to you. If you don't like being corrected then don't make fallacious statements. I don't care what hypothetical circumstances you are talking about acquiring him, I was just pointing out the reality of his unavailability to the Cowboys considering the new more fiscally responsible environment the Jones family is operating the team. You can fantasize about Peterson becoming a part of this team all you want but it just isn't going to happen.

Your arrogant insinuation that my not "paying attention around here" has some kind of correlation with not knowing what you know is insulting. It's not the job of myself or anyone else on this forum to keep up with what you know in order to join in on a discussion.

 

[waving monkey]

so would we have to pay 10 million q year now to keep murray?
Lynch money

 

[waving monkey]

lol... at the 2nd sentence.

You are feeling around in the dark with a bandana over your eyes... BUt, You may be right, Peterson may be a shell of himself next year. But nothing up until now in his career has suggested that. If you want to be a contrarian and suggest that a guy isn't a top 5 rb in the league with no basis for that opinion,go ahead.

Anyway, who is calling for 2000 yards? Realistic fans don't expect 2000 yards, nor do they expect a 50+ yard run every game. You being hyperbolic about isn't going to change anything. either.

If Peterson averaged 4.5 yards a carry here and only had 1266 yards there would only be one problem...we didn't get him the ball enough.

Its not easy to average 4.5 yards a carry in the NFL, its even harder to do it with Matt Cassel and Christian Ponder as your qb.

I am by no means leading the charge to bring Peterson here. We have a lot of different avenues we could take. I really like Murray, I really like Peterson, I really like the Draft talent.

31 years old with loads os carries

 

[locked&loaded]

31 years old with loads os carries

He wont be 31 until after next season. Someone still has dethrone him from his spot as a top 3-5 rb in league. I wont slap him in the face early. But then again, I have seen a lot of his games. others haven't.

 

[waving monkey]

He wont be 31 until after next season. Someone still has dethrone him from his spot as a top 3-5 rb in league. I wont slap him in the face early. But then again, I have seen a lot of his games. others haven't.

I know his a hell of a specimen OK, but 30 that typically is the down turn years

 

[Future]

so would we have to pay 10 million q year now to keep murray?
Lynch money

Who in their right mind would give DeMarco Murray that kind of money?

 

[xwalker]

You said we don't know what salary he is currently commanding so I just pointed it out to you. If you don't like being corrected then don't make fallacious statements. I don't care what hypothetical circumstances you are talking about acquiring him, I was just pointing out the reality of his unavailability to the Cowboys considering the new more fiscally responsible environment the Jones family is operating the team. You can fantasize about Peterson becoming a part of this team all you want but it just isn't going to happen.

Your arrogant insinuation that my not "paying attention around here" has some kind of correlation with not knowing what you know is insulting. It's not the job of myself or anyone else on this forum to keep up with what you know in order to join in on a discussion.

You didn't correct anything. RB's that signed big contracts in their twenties don't get the same pay if they become free agents at 30. If the Vikings cut him then he is indeed a free agent. Previous contract's have no bearing on his next contract. The Cowboys paid Anthony Spencer 10.6M in 2013. Spencer is currently a free agent and is unlikely to get 1/4 of 10.6M.

I'm not pushing for Peterson to be signed by the Cowboys, just pointing out the facts.

 

[JoeKing]

You didn't correct anything. RB's that signed big contracts in their twenties don't get the same pay if they become free agents at 30. If the Vikings cut him then he is indeed a free agent. Previous contract's have no bearing on his next contract. The Cowboys paid Anthony Spencer 10.6M in 2013. Spencer is currently a free agent and is unlikely to get 1/4 of 10.6M.

I'm not pushing for Peterson to be signed by the Cowboys, just pointing out the facts.

You keep saying "if the Vikings cut him". Stop it! The Vikings aren't going to cut him, They have flat out said he will remain a Viking. You would be wise not to be pushing for Peterson to be signed by the Cowboys rather than speculating on the fantasy of "what if".

 

[xwalker]

You keep saying "if the Vikings cut him". Stop it! The Vikings aren't going to cut him, They have flat out said he will remain a Viking. You would be wise not to be pushing for Peterson to be signed by the Cowboys rather than speculating on the fantasy of "what if".

1. I'm not "pushing" for the Cowboys to sign him.

2. There a many many people that believe that the Vikings will cut him. They were going to make him inactive before the league suspended him because of their sponsors. They have to pay him 12..75M if they want him to play in 2015.

3. This is now a 7 page thread an you appear to be one of very few and maybe the only one that does not think there is a good chance that Peterson gets cut by the Vikings.

4. I don't think the Cowboys will sign him because he can't apply for reinstatement until April 15th. They Cowboys need to know what they're doing before then.

 

[JoeKing]

1. I'm not "pushing" for the Cowboys to sign him.

2. There a many many people that believe that the Vikings will cut him. They were going to make him inactive before the league suspended him because of their sponsors. They have to pay him 12..75M if they want him to play in 2015.

3. This is now a 7 page thread an you appear to be one of very few and maybe the only one that does not think there is a good chance that Peterson gets cut by the Vikings.

4. I don't think the Cowboys will sign him because he can't apply for reinstatement until April 15th. They Cowboys need to know what they're doing before then.

1. You've stated several times now that you are not pushing for the Cowboys to sign Peterson. Maybe you should say it one more time for good measure.

2. There are many people that believe all kinds of nonsense. Making a player inactive is not the same as cutting them. As I have already posted his current contract, I'm aware what the Vikings have to pay him if they want him to play for them in 2015. It will happen.

3. I'm not aware of the ratio of people that believe one way or another on this issue. I don't form my opinions based on what others on this forum say. I only know what the Vikings official stance on the matter has been all along and unwavering. He will remain a Viking in accordance with his current contract which is still in effect for a few more years.

4. I don't think the Cowboys will sign him because the Vikings already have him locked up at a price the Cowboys have not budgeted for even if he was available.

 

[xwalker]

4. I don't think the Cowboys will sign him because the Vikings already have him locked up at a price the Cowboys have not budgeted for even if he was available.

This is the statement that caused me and at least 1 other person to reply to you in the 1st place. It is nonsense. If the Cowboys have the option to sign him it would be because the Vikings cut him. If they cut him his previous salary is of no consequence. He would be a free agent and the market would determine his value. If nothing is resolved until after April 15th, then he likely won't get a significant contract because most teams will have already made their free agent moves.

 

[JoeKing]

This is the statement that caused me and at least 1 other person to reply to you in the 1st place. It is nonsense. If the Cowboys have the option to sign him it would be because the Vikings cut him. If they cut him his previous salary is of no consequence. He would be a free agent and the market would determine his value. If nothing is resolved until after April 15th, then he likely won't get a significant contract because most teams will have already made their free agent moves.

If if if

It is your "if"s, that is the nonsense. Nothing more that hypothetical dribble, engaging in whimsical fantasy.

 

[xwalker]

If if if

It is your "if"s, that is the nonsense. Nothing more that hypothetical dribble, engaging in whimsical fantasy.

How about his for no "ifs":

You were wrong when you said that is current salary was an indicator of his value as a free agent.

 

[JoeKing]

How about his for no "ifs":

You were wrong when you said that is current salary was an indicator of his value as a free agent.

That's your opinion, you are entitled to it but it is not fact. AP's current salary is most definitely a factor in his future. He may not get the same money once his current contract is over but consider the money he has been making, he will not be taking a pay cut of over 50% which is what would be required of him if he wanted to be a Cowboy.

 

[xwalker]

That's your opinion, you are entitled to it but it is not fact. AP's current salary is most definitely a factor in his future. He may not get the same money once his current contract is over but consider the money he has been making, he will not be taking a pay cut of over 50% which is what would be required of him if he wanted to be a Cowboy.

He'll get what the market dictates or he'll retire. He can't force a team to pay him X percent of his salary with the Vikings. It is totally up to NFL teams as to what they would offer to pay him. Those teams don't care about his old salary.

 

[JoeKing]

He'll get what the market dictates or he'll retire. He can't force a team to pay him X percent of his salary with the Vikings. It is totally up to NFL teams as to what they would offer to pay him. Those teams don't care about his old salary.

Ah... there you have included a bit of an out for your argument. I think he will retire. I have followed Adrian since his HS days in Palestine. He is a proud man... too proud to take such a drastic pay cut.

 

[Nightman]

Ah... there you have included a bit of an out for your argument. I think he will retire. I have followed Adrian since his HS days in Palestine. He is a proud man... too proud to take such a drastic pay cut.

Most fans and writers think that Peterson will be released. That is why there are a ton of articles about where he might end up.

Dallas is one of the obvious landing spots, but it won't be for 12.75m. If they wanted to pay 10m+ they would just offer it to Murray.

Maybe the Raiders or Jets or Colts offer him a ton of money, but after the charges, suspension, injury and his age, most people think we will get around 5-6m. If you think that is offensive then maybe he retires but I doubt. Anybody with that many kids needs to keep making that money.