Hey Terry, Owens, You Have Your Pronouns Mixed Up!

[Doomsday101]

This I wholeheartedly agree with.



Don't change your tune now. It's all TO's fault we got pounded by the Eagles.

Change my tune? Where did I say this loss or any loss was all TO? I blame the team for this loss, I blame the coaches for not having this team ready. I don't think you will find a post where I have ever blamed 1 player for any loss.

 

[VA Cowboy]

Don't change your tune now. It's all TO's fault we got pounded by the Eagles.

Who said that?

Gotta love extremists. No one is totally blaming TO, but I know you know that. It just makes for a good post on your part.

It's like with any issue on here, for some, there can't be a middle ground. You're either a lover or hater. If you mention someone mistake then the other side acts like you're saying it's "all their fault".

It was the same with QC and Hutch and Henson and Drew and Romo and TO and so on. Nature of the internet beast, I guess.

 

[Bleu Star]

All he does is run fly routs, yet you just posted that he has been in the slot and has ran slant routs. Rarely is the word you used but that would still indicate he does run other routs besides fly routs. He has a 9 yard curl routs in this past game or is that what you consider the fly rout as well?

You scheme to the strength of your players. You get the ball into the hands of the playmakers early and often. (TO and TG) That is if you want to win.

If you watch game film you will rarely see TO lined up in the slot or him catching a quick slant over the middle where he is most dangerous.

That's correct. The word used is rarely. He should actually be in those position running those routes often.

 

[WV Cowboy]

I don't think Owens or Glenn either one were complaining from a selfish perspective.

I don't fault either one for saying something, except perhaps they could have done it inside the lockerroom. Or maybe they already tried that and nobody is listening.

(Barber is probably wondering why he doesn't get to carry the ball more, since he IS the best running back on the team.)

Glenn & Owens both say they want the ball more, but they are saying that to help the team move the chains, score TD's and win games, .. not selfishly.

Each thinks he can help more than they are being allowed to right now.

Every great player wants the ball to help the team win.

I am sure if Emmitt didn't touch the ball in the first half of a game he would have wanted it more too, ... only thing is we weren't stupid enough back then to NOT give Emmitt the ball the way we are doing now with Glenn & Owens.

I don't care what the coverage is, an imaginitve OC gets his playmakers the ball.

I never coached at this level, but I learned early on, no matter what sport I was coaching, .. get your STARS the BALL !!

 

[VA Cowboy]

Change my tune? Where did I say this loss or any loss was all TO? I blame the team for this loss, I blame the coaches for not having this team ready. I don't think you will find a post where I have ever blamed 1 player for any loss.

This is true.

But it makes them feel better if they can label everyone who doesn't always defend him as a hater.

 

[Bleu Star]

Who said that?

Gotta love extremists. No one is totally blaming TO, but I know you know that. It just makes for a good post on your part.

It's like with any issue on here, for some, there can't be a middle ground. You're either a lover or hater. If you mention someone mistake then the other side acts like you're saying it's "all their fault".

It was the same with QC and Hutch and Henson and Drew and Romo and TO and so on. Nature of the internet beast, I guess.

I guess so. There's plenty of middle ground. It's reached when you are not posting 90% of your replies in utter disgust of one player. It's reached when you truly realize many major issues exist elsewhere on this team. It's reached when you realize the same problems we're having right now were pre-existent long before TO arrived. Let me again say, they will be here after he's jettisoned if they aren't addressed. I'm sure Zimmer will get another free pass though.

 

[Doomsday101]

You scheme to the strength of your players. You get the ball into the hands of the playmakers early and often. (TO and TG) That is if you want to win.



That's correct. The word used is rarely. He should actually be in those position running those routes often.

Dallas did get the ball out to Glenn who also had a big drop that helped kill a drive. We also run the ball see we are not a WCO we are not going to play as Andy Reid did in the past with TO where he would throw the ball 70 to 80 percent of the time. You don't ask your entire team to learn the WCO you try to get the 1 to understand this teams offensive. A lot easier getting 1 to learn instead of making 45 other change.

 

[Bleu Star]

Dallas did get the ball out to Glenn who also had a big drop that helped kill a drive. We also run the ball see we are not a WCO we are not going to play as Andy Reid did in the past with TO where he would throw the ball 70 to 80 percent of the time. You don't ask your entire team to learn the WCO you try to get the 1 to understand this teams offensive. A lot easier getting 1 to learn instead of making 45 other change.

Then you never sign that 1. Especially when his resume is that of a receiver which has excelled in the WCO not our brand of offense.

 

[VA Cowboy]

I guess so. There's plenty of middle ground. It's reached when you are not posting 90% of your replies in utter disgust of one player. It's reached when you truly realize many major issues exist elsewhere on this team. It's reached when you realize the same problems we're having right now were pre-existent long before TO arrived. Let me again say, they will be here after he's jettisoned if they aren't addressed. I'm sure Zimmer will get another free pass though.

I fully realize we have major problems on defense. I wanted Zimmer gone a couple of years ago. I know we need a FS. Needed one for several years. I know we need a better OL.

90% of my posts aren't about TO. But if you check this thread title out, it happens to be about TO, so therefore I posted my opinion about it here. Why would I spend time talking about the defense and Zimmer and the OL in this thread. I'm sure if people talked about TO in a "GROZ" thread they'd be lambasted. So why should I change the subject in this thread?

And as for TO, I was for him coming here for a year or so. I know his contract is basically three one year deals. Right now, I'd just as soon we ended it with him after one year. To me it's a matter of weighing the good with the bad. I don't see where the good outweighs the bad. I also know his history after the first year with a team.

And, if I'm not mistaken, last year after 15 games we were 9-6, just like we are now - and that was without TO and with Bledsuck at QB. Sorry, but I don't see where TO has helped us get to the next level. I think we could just as easily be 9-6 this year with Key starting instead.

So, in this thread about TO, my opinion is that I wouldn't be the least bit upset if we parted ways with him after the season, seeing how we really aren't any better with him and knowing his track record once the "honeymoon" is over with.

 

[Doomsday101]

Then you never sign that 1. Especially when his resume is that of a receiver which has excelled in the WCO not our brand of offense.

Here is quote from the start of mini camp:
on Friday afternoon, following the start of a rookie minicamp, Parcells walked into his normal news conference setting and was greeted by almost as many cameras as the day he was hired. He sat down, smiled and said, "Well, let me see what you want to talk about here."

His response to the first question wasn't exactly seven weeks in the making.

"He's a good, productive player, has been for a long time," Parcells said. "I've seen quite a bit of him. I think he can help us."

First, Owens will have to adjust to a new offense, one in which "he's not going to catch 100 balls."

"He's been in the league for quite a while so I don't worry about him making that adjustment," Parcells said. "But it is going to be different."


Owens damn well knew what was going on in Dallas when he signed here and did not seem to have a problem with that so I don't want to hear about it being a problem now. Great players can adjust or is TO nothing but a system player whos better days are behind him?

 

[WoodysGirl]

And, if I'm not mistaken, last year after 15 games we were 9-6, just like we are now - and that was without TO and with Bledsuck at QB. Sorry, but I don't see where TO has helped us get to the next level. I think we could just as easily be 9-6 this year with Key starting instead.

So, in this thread about TO, my opinion is that I wouldn't be the least bit upset if we parted ways with him after the season, seeing how we really aren't any better with him and knowing his track record once the "honeymoon" is over with.

Totally agree with this... :clap2:

 

[superpunk]

Totally agree with this... :clap2:

TO doesn't play both ways unfortunately. With Key, I'm not sure we're the 4th ranked scoring O this year, scoring 6 ppg more than we did last year. Meanwhile, Carolina is scoring 9 ppg less than they did last year. I'm just saying - this offense is more dynamic. That's probably not all Owens, it has alot to do with better Oline play, but it is what it is.

 

[Bleu Star]

Here is quote from the start of mini camp:
on Friday afternoon, following the start of a rookie minicamp, Parcells walked into his normal news conference setting and was greeted by almost as many cameras as the day he was hired. He sat down, smiled and said, "Well, let me see what you want to talk about here."

His response to the first question wasn't exactly seven weeks in the making.

"He's a good, productive player, has been for a long time," Parcells said. "I've seen quite a bit of him. I think he can help us."

First, Owens will have to adjust to a new offense, one in which "he's not going to catch 100 balls."

"He's been in the league for quite a while so I don't worry about him making that adjustment," Parcells said. "But it is going to be different."


Owens damn well knew what was going on in Dallas when he signed here and did not seem to have a problem with that so I don't want to hear about it being a problem now. Great players can adjust or is TO nothing but a system player whos better days are behind him?

Wonderful. I'm glad you unearthed that. So. We now know that:

A. TO knew he was going into an offense in which hew would be limited.
B. Parcells knew TO was going to be in an offense in which he would be limited.

That said, Why is everyone so surprised at what they see? While playing in a limited capacity TO has still caught 12 TDs for us. While playing in a limited capacity TO has preached team team team. Yet, because he is a typical primadonna receiver that speaks up when he's not being made the most of, he gets lambasted.

Total crap if you ask me. We should have then never signed him if we knew (or more specifically Parcells knew) we would not be able to make the most of his talent. The offensive braintrust is obviously not capable of being creative in how they use him so we simply wasted 10 millions dollars. Let's not forget that before he signed our offense last year was very stoppable. It's a very ugly situation. Yet still, I can't hate on one player for the mess we have today.

 

[WV Cowboy]

And, if I'm not mistaken, last year after 15 games we were 9-6, just like we are now - and that was without TO and with Bledsuck at QB. Sorry, but I don't see where TO has helped us get to the next level. I think we could just as easily be 9-6 this year with Key starting instead.

I think that is sort of what Bleu Star is asking, .. why are we no better than 9-6 ?

Clearly the offense is better this season, two 1,000 yd WR's, a 700 yd TE, a 1,000 yd back, another back that has double digit TD's, a pro bowl QB.

I'm not saying that is directly because of Owens being here, but he is a part of that since he leads the league in TD receptions.

Why is our record no better than last year ?

Dallas fans want to know.

 

[WoodysGirl]

TO doesn't play both ways unfortunately. With Key, I'm not sure we're the 4th ranked scoring O this year, scoring 6 ppg more than we did last year. Meanwhile, Carolina is scoring 9 ppg less than they did last year. I'm just saying - this offense is more dynamic. That's probably not all Owens, it has alot to do with better Oline play, but it is what it is.

I agree the offense is more dynamic for various reasons. Romo, better line play, and I imagine the combo of TO and Glenn does offer enough mismatches to contribute to that as well.

It's not so much about Key, it's the fact that the 'boys are still in the same spot as they were last year. Key, TO, whoever. They're still in the middle of a 2nd half swoon, just not as bad as last year. And the difference this year is that 9 wins will get the 'boys in the playoffs whereas last year, they were at home.

 

[superpunk]

I agree the offense is more dynamic for various reasons. Romo, better line play, and I imagine the combo of TO and Glenn does offer enough mismatches to contribute to that as well.

It's not so much about Key, it's the fact that the 'boys are still in the same spot as they were last year. The difference this year is that 9 wins will get the 'boys in the playoffs whereas last year, they were at home.

I was saying, though, that for whatever reason, the offense has been taken to the next level. That's all TO can contribute to, unless they keep trotting him out there at safety. I'm tired of him, but I can't deny the on-the-field impact.

 

[Doomsday101]

Wonderful. I'm glad you unearthed that. So. We now know that:

A. TO knew he was going into an offense in which hew would be limited.
B. Parcells knew TO was going to be in an offense in which he would be limited.

That said, Why is everyone so surprised at what they see? While playing in a limited capacity TO has still caught 12 TDs for us. While playing in a limited capacity TO has preached team team team. Yet, because he is a typical primadonna receiver that speaks up when he's not being made the most of, he gets lambasted.

Total crap if you ask me. we should have thme never signed him if we know 9or more specifically Parcells knew) they would not be able to make the most of his talent. The offensive braintrust is obviously not capable of being creative in hos wthey use him so we simply wasted 10 millions dollars. Let's not forget that before he signed our offense last year was very stoppable. It's a very ugly situation. Yet still, I can't hate on one player for the mess we have today.

We know that he came to Dallas knowing that he would have to adjust; you don't ask 45 players to adjust over the 1. We now know in clutch situation TO can't be counted on to make the big play. We know his contract is a series of 1 year deals so we are not stuck with him if the organization wants to look else where for a WR. As for blaming TO for all of the Cowboy problems no one is doing that so you can stop the TO is a victim routine.

 

[Bleu Star]

We know that he came to Dallas knowing that he would have to adjust; you don't ask 45 players to adjust over the 1. We now know in clutch situation TO can't be counted on to make the big play. We know his contract is a series of 1 year deals so we are not stuck with him if the organization wants to look else where for a WR. As for blaming TO for all of the Cowboy problems no one is doing that so you can stop the TO is a victim routine.

Right.

I was right there with you until you said that. I guess I just like to respond to these unbelievable posts because I enjoy killing my carpals.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I was saying, though, that for whatever reason, the offense has been taken to the next level. That's all TO can contribute to, unless they keep trotting him out there at safety. I'm tired of him, but I can't deny the on-the-field impact.

TO's a good player. No denying that. No, he can't play defense. And I just think that even with his contribution, the 'boys are still 9-6. Meaning, they could've signed another WR, re-signed Key, and the outcome still would've been the same.

 

[Bleu Star]

TO's a good player. No denying that. No, he can't play defense. And I just think that even with his contribution, the 'boys are still 9-6. Meaning, they could've signed another WR, re-signed Key, and the outcome still would've been the same.

I totally agree. so then. What does this say?

Our defensive deficiencies are enormous. These same deficiencies have been an issues for quite some years. Our decision making at the top is somewhat lackluster as well. You don't pluck a guy who is arguably, the best WCO receiver in existence, away from free agency and try to mold him into something he is not. It all wreaks of Parcells, Zimmer, and to a certain extent, Jerry.