How long, is long enough?

[Toruk_Makto]

So San Fran made a massive QB upgrade over the lowly Alex Smith, yet you're saying Alex Smith is a big reason for KC's turnaround.?!?

Yes.

Have you seen Matt Cassel and Brady Quinn play football?

 

[Lonestar94]

3.5 Years is plenty long enough. If we finish 8-8 again, Jason Garrett should be FIRED!!! Period.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

8-8 and playoffs =progress. The process works. lol

 

[jobberone]

I wasn't quoting you, doc.

Sry. My bad. I've been in an ill mood all week. Picked up a bug in Det.

 

[dupree89]

Sry. My bad. I've been in an ill mood all week. Picked up a bug in Det.

you're lucky if thats all you picked up in Detroit.
Feel better soon.

 

[odog422]

Thank you. I appreciate that a lot. Again I don't see how wins and losses esp over the last year and a half mean much considering we've been crippled on defense due to injuries and playing with a huge handicap on offense with a poor offensive line last year particularly the first 3/4 of the year.

As Herman Edwards said, "you play the game to win." I don't get caught up so much in stats, or even so much what every other team does than to acknowledge the state of the NFL. Fact is, today, it doesn't take as long to win and be relatively successful in the NFL. Parity is real. To you, won-loss record doesn't matter, but that's why they play. Character is great, effort is great, but you play to win. I agree we have some good young pieces, but I also disagree and don't think there was this huge dearth of talent, and, in today's NFL, you don't need a roster full of All Pros to win. What I worry about is my team and what I see happening with it. I acknowledge we start with a deficit because it is ultimately put together by Jerry, who, IMO, hired the wrong guy for the job as OC, and then promoted him based on his hopes, rather than results. Hence, the results as HC to me are disappointing, but not surprising. In my mind, it's just not that difficult, some guys are coaches and some guys aren't. Garrett isn't.

I see a guy who has had everything served up - particularly this season - to allow him to be as successful as possible, yet it still does not translate to wins. I still see offensive disfunction, lack of adaptability, and seemingly, an inability to process under pressure. I don't see a guy who looks in control on the sideline. I have never seen a coach get yelled at by his stars the way I have the past couple of weeks and just walk away from the confrontation clapping his hands while being yelled at.

Again, you say won-loss record doesn't matter, and I submit to you, if nothing else, lack of wins loses a HC his team, and I really hope I'm wrong, really I do, but it looks like the cracks are showing. Losing breeds frustration, anger, resentment. Who knows, miracle of miracles and maybe Garrett is able to get some consistency and wins out of the team and it all comes together. But what I've seen thus far looks more attributable to the support (assistants) than the HC. I don't see Garrett's identity on this team the way I see Kiffin and especially Marinelli's on the defense, and even that could be okay, it the team could just consistently win. But this team, under Garrett, has been consistently unable to do this. So to the OP, play it out this year, and God help us as Jerry chooses Garrett's replacement this offseason.

 

[Dodger12]

But you didn't have to endure seasons with fans wearing bags over their heads either...we were always "relevant"

Jerry.....Jerry....is that you?

 

[FLcowboy]

Jerry and quality decision?

Garrett is the worst head coach in the league. How many more seasons does he need to prove it?

Garrett is hamstrung by the owner. Whose decision was it to change to the 4-3
defence? Garrett deserves a break on that. And Callahan calling the plays? He's no better than Garrett.

 

[CaptainMorgan]

Garrett is hamstrung by the owner. Whose decision was it to change to the 4-3
defence? Garrett deserves a break on that. And Callahan calling the plays? He's no better than Garrett.

I dont disagree with that but Garrett is still horrible.

 

[T-RO]

In the past 20 years fans here have repeatedly latched onto coaching changes as the great hope and salvation. I wouldn't be the least big surprised if Garrett was given his walking papers...that this team got worse.

In fact...I kinda bet we would.

 

[Corso]

Simple question, you are starting a franchise, Garrett and Reid are available, who do you take?

And we can't afford Seymour, but our line would look better with him in there.

That's actually a very poignant question.

I can't say for certain who I'd take, but I admit I'm leaning towards Reid.

Just being honest... Not hating our football coach.

 

[Corso]

So what happened to the offensive line?

Because that singular unit has held this franchise back every year since Garret has been here. Last two years we've been unfortunate with injuries....unfortunate is being kind...again last year we missed the 3rd most starts due to injury out of 32 ball clubs. And i'd argue even that undersells us because we didn't just lose pieces we lost some of our BEST guys.

And no the team wasn't a playoff team when Garrett took over. Or else he would have never taken over. I mean that should be obvious.

Darn, you're a good poster, Toruk.

Whether I agree with your posts or not- I like what you bring.

Good show.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Garrett is the worst head coach in the league.

Your funny.

 

[jobberone]

As Herman Edwards said, "you play the game to win." I don't get caught up so much in stats, or even so much what every other team does than to acknowledge the state of the NFL. Fact is, today, it doesn't take as long to win and be relatively successful in the NFL. Parity is real. To you, won-loss record doesn't matter, but that's why they play. Character is great, effort is great, but you play to win. I agree we have some good young pieces, but I also disagree and don't think there was this huge dearth of talent, and, in today's NFL, you don't need a roster full of All Pros to win. What I worry about is my team and what I see happening with it. I acknowledge we start with a deficit because it is ultimately put together by Jerry, who, IMO, hired the wrong guy for the job as OC, and then promoted him based on his hopes, rather than results. Hence, the results as HC to me are disappointing, but not surprising. In my mind, it's just not that difficult, some guys are coaches and some guys aren't. Garrett isn't.

I see a guy who has had everything served up - particularly this season - to allow him to be as successful as possible, yet it still does not translate to wins. I still see offensive disfunction, lack of adaptability, and seemingly, an inability to process under pressure. I don't see a guy who looks in control on the sideline. I have never seen a coach get yelled at by his stars the way I have the past couple of weeks and just walk away from the confrontation clapping his hands while being yelled at.

Again, you say won-loss record doesn't matter, and I submit to you, if nothing else, lack of wins loses a HC his team, and I really hope I'm wrong, really I do, but it looks like the cracks are showing. Losing breeds frustration, anger, resentment. Who knows, miracle of miracles and maybe Garrett is able to get some consistency and wins out of the team and it all comes together. But what I've seen thus far looks more attributable to the support (assistants) than the HC. I don't see Garrett's identity on this team the way I see Kiffin and especially Marinelli's on the defense, and even that could be okay, it the team could just consistently win. But this team, under Garrett, has been consistently unable to do this. So to the OP, play it out this year, and God help us as Jerry chooses Garrett's replacement this offseason.

Well, I meant at the present time about the won-loss record. Obviously it doesn't matter in the end about excuses or how wonderful a guy you are if you can't win. OTOH, if you're in charge of putting a team out there then you can't throw your hands up every 2-3 years and rotate another body out there. Maybe you get lucky but for me that's a sure fire way to spend eternity in mediocrity at the best. You can't change coaches, schemes et al constantly and expect your guys to be able to play well immediately.

Jerry sees the organization flowing in the right direction so he needs to stick with that. And again you cannot evaluate the last year and a half on the field with what the defense has had to make do with. No HC is going to do well under those circumstance unless he's already loaded. And I respectfully disagree about the lack of talent on this team when Jason took over. I agree the cupboard was not bare but we've had to find four new OL and basically build a new defense with a few exceptions. Thanks goodness for Romo. Go look at the rosters from 2009-2010 and todays' roster. Look at the injuries and who we've had to play. Sure that's making excuses for the inconsistent play and the defense but then that's the only fair and realistic way to look at the situation if you're without an agenda except to win. You can't fire your employees for failing to do their job when they don't have the tools to do their job.

 

[Coy]

You just want names.

I don't think Garrett is the greatest coach ever but I'm not gonna spout off all the big name coaches and say they are definitely better.

I bet you want Dallas to sign Seymour.

Not only big name coaches, they actually have won something, superbowls, conference championships etc. So yeah, I'd take any of those HC instead of Garrett in a second.

 

[Coy]

Fair enough
I was a supporter of Garrett when was hired
If he takes us to a playoff win and more, I would love it
Posters who are critical of Garrett realize that the fastest way to success is for Garrett to turn out to be a great HC .... The issue is that we see no evidence of it coming to fruition anytime soon

BTW, I think Garrett will be back even if we don't make the playoffs

JMO

I think you are probably right but I am certainly hoping you're not.

 

[CaptainMorgan]

Your funny.

You can laugh or cry about at this point right? You obviously choose to laugh about it.

Garrett is just full of suck.

 

[Wizarus]

Garrett's pretty bad. I've been watching football for nearly 20 years, and I've never seen a HC make so many fatal game management mistakes. Generic playcalling isn't helping at all, and for some reason he insists on doing the same thing over and over, and expects a different result. Don't think he's the worst HC in the league, but he's definitely bottom tier.

 

[Corso]

Your funny.

Or some of his posts are a joke.

He's a good poster and I like him, but c'mon...

 

[BigStar]

I wanted to get the boards opinions on how long and how many games coached does it take to determine
if you have the right headcoach for your team.
At the end of this season Garrett will have been HC for 3.5 seasons.

In your opinion is that enough time for Jerry to make a quality decision about Garrett ?

One School of thought is that we are improving and that it is a process, and it will take time for Garrett to get his type of players in.

The other School says that Garrett's a terrible clock manager and his offense is outdated.

Just curious how my fellow Cowboy fans feel ?

3 seasons seems adequate with the current FA/draft structure. There are obvious signs when it should be dumped before then though. I don't know when JG will pull out that Princeton educated game plan but he is making us eager...love education, why the isk fut aint it workin?