How long, is long enough?

[dupree89]

Bingo.

If Romo makes it all 16 again this year and we don't at least make it to the NFC C game he's gone.

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Dude, it aint happening. I'm not arguing whether it SHOULD happen....of course I think it should happen....but we are not gonna get rid of JG that fast. 7-9 and no playoffs and I think he is back. Only way I see him fired this year is if the team loses like their last 5 games and there are reports the team tuned him out. Other than that, he is your head coach.

 

[JustAGuy]

Oh yeah? Would love some examples.

Garret inherited a mess of a team....that was old in a ton of spots and had little depth outside of these aging veterans.

The team is more talented now and younger. Nevermind we've had horrendous luck with injuries the last two years. Call it an excuse...because it is one...but it's also true.

Garrett's show me year will be next year.

Cry about it if you want. But it's true.

Some good examples are the Colts, Chiefs and 49ers. All three have rebounded from very recent 2-14 or 6-10 records in just one season.

Garrett inherited a team that he helped form as he was A.H.C. to Wade, and the team he inherited had won a playoff game as well as a 13-3 record under Wade while Garrett was there so no sale on "inheriting a mess". Harbaugh didn't mind inheriting a team that was more of a mess, nor did Andy Reid.

The Cowboys are also not the only team to suffer injuries every year. It's part of the game and you cope with it. You can cry about that, but it's true.

 

[JustAGuy]

And if we had the Chiefs schedule and didn't have another ridiculous rash of penalties on the defensive side, we'd probably be 7-1, and people would be talking Garrett for coach of the year. Context.

The Cowboys and Chiefs schedule were rated almost identical in terms of strength at the start of the season. The Chiefs also play in a tougher division.

 

[JustAGuy]

And how fast they're moving.


Ok if Train A is going 68 MPH from Chicago to New York, and Train B is moving at 83 MPH from Austin to Dallas, how long will it take the Cowboys to win a superbowl?

Not even Deep Thought can calculate that one.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

The Cowboys and Chiefs schedule were rated almost identical in terms of strength at the start of the season. The Chiefs also play in a tougher division.

LOL @ rating schedules at the start of the season. And the Chiefs do play in a tougher division (who doesn't these days)...but they have only played 1 divisional game (against Oakland) to date. They have yet to beat a team with a winning record.

Given our history we'd be (8-0) also against their schedule.

Playing with schedules is fun.

And again...the Chiefs, Colts and 49ers had massive upgrades at QB that propelled their turnarounds. It wasn't all coaching guys.

 

[visionary]

Impling that those who dont think that JG is the problem arent actually Cowboy fans?

There are some posters on this board who proclaimed Garrett as the savior as soon as he was hired without waiting for any evidence to suggest that he could even be a halfway decent HC

These posters' self esteem is tied to Garrett being a success because their wagons are hitched to Garrett not just the cowboys

If Garrett fails but the cowboys go on to find success with another HC they would have to admit that all their "believe" and "faith" stuff was just rubbish and they would not be able the bear it

These same posters will come to rub everyone's faces in the mud if this team makes the playoffs at 8-8 in a horrible division and are one and done in the playoffs and will crow to no end ....touting it as a success... Ignoring the obvious problems on the team

Of course they want the cowboys to win but For them It is not enough that the cowboys win, it has to be Garrett that leads us there otherwise they will have to admit they were wrong in anointing Garrett

It is no different than Jerry
Of course he wants the cowboys to win but he wants it to be with him as GM
that is why he does not get another GM, because if he does and the cowboys succeed, he would have to admit he was incompetent as a GM and wasted years and his ego can't take it

In both these examples people are putting their ego before the team

These are the most strident Garrett supporters on the board and they will find an excuse to explain away every problem the team faces

These are the Garrett groupies

 

[visionary]

Dude, it aint happening. I'm not arguing whether it SHOULD happen....of course I think it should happen....but we are not gonna get rid of JG that fast. 7-9 and no playoffs and I think he is back. Only way I see him fired this year is if the team loses like their last 5 games and there are reports the team tuned him out. Other than that, he is your head coach.

That is unfortunately how I see it as well

 

[TTexasTT]

There are some posters on this board who proclaimed Garrett as the savior as soon as he was hired without waiting for any evidence to suggest that he could even be a halfway decent HC

These posters' self esteem is tied to Garrett being a success because their wagons are hitched to Garrett not just the cowboys

If Garrett fails but the cowboys go on to find success with another HC they would have to admit that all their "believe" and "faith" stuff was just rubbish and they would not be able the bear it

These same posters will come to rub everyone's faces in the mud if this team makes the playoffs at 8-8 in a horrible division and are one and done in the playoffs and will crow to no end ....touting it as a success... Ignoring the obvious problems on the team

Of course they want the cowboys to win but For them It is not enough that the cowboys win, it has to be Garrett that leads us there otherwise they will have to admit they were wrong in anointing Garrett

It is no different than Jerry
Of course he wants the cowboys to win but he wants it to be with him as GM
that is why he does not get another GM, because if he does and the cowboys succeed, he would have to admit he was incompetent as a GM and wasted years and his ego can't take it

In both these examples people are putting their ego before the team

These are the most strident Garrett supporters on the board and they will find an excuse to explain away every problem the team faces

These are the Garrett groupies

If Garrett is not good for the Cowboys sure Id like him gone. I want to have the best team in the NFL coming out of Dallas but personally I dont see the JG is the problem. IMO the problem seems to be coming from somewhere else in most every loss. I dont have a lot of hope for a SB this season but being that this, as you said, is a terrible division. If for whatever reason the playoffs are made I think there would be a very strong case for JG to be fired. However a "one and done" doesnt really sale me on JG either. What Id like to see before I throw him out the door is how this season plays out. No excuses about injuries either is a playoff win or more. Then I would have no problem seeing him as the Cowboys HC again next year. Until its over this season Im going to stay optimistic or a groupie or whatever way other choose to see it.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

LOL @ rating schedules at the start of the season. And the Chiefs do play in a tougher division (who doesn't these days)...but they have only played 1 divisional game (against Oakland) to date. They have yet to beat a team with a winning record.

Given our history we'd be (8-0) also against their schedule.

Playing with schedules is fun.

And again...the Chiefs, Colts and 49ers had massive upgrades at QB that propelled their turnarounds. It wasn't all coaching guys.

Yea but we already had a good QB when Garrett took over. It shouldn't be this difficult.

 

[JustAGuy]

LOL @ rating schedules at the start of the season. And the Chiefs do play in a tougher division (who doesn't these days)...but they have only played 1 divisional game (against Oakland) to date. They have yet to beat a team with a winning record.

Given our history we'd be (8-0) also against their schedule.

Playing with schedules is fun.

And again...the Chiefs, Colts and 49ers had massive upgrades at QB that propelled their turnarounds. It wasn't all coaching guys.

Move the bar all you want. The Chiefs schedule is easy for the same reason that Dallas' is... playing the weak NFC East. Chiefs have 6 tougher division games than Dallas does.

We have one of the best QBs in the league, but the argument seems to be that he needs ALL-Pros at every other position to succeed. Rookie QBs or Alex Smith really THAT big of upgrades? Why don't they need a roster full of ALL-Pros to succeed? The answer is far superior coaching and management.

You have no logical way to win this debate. Maybe you could "LOL" some more since you can't win on facts.

 

[Picksix]

The Cowboys and Chiefs schedule were rated almost identical in terms of strength at the start of the season. The Chiefs also play in a tougher division.

Really? Who cares about what it was at the start of the season. I'm sorry man, but that's a really bad argument. That means absolutely nothing. Let's look at SOS now.

Dallas SOS 33-29 (.532); KC SOS 19-41 (.317)

Not. Even. Close. We're the best team they've played, and the only team that isn't sub .500.

Plus, the only team KC has played so far in their division is Oakland at home.

 

[visionary]

If Garrett is not good for the Cowboys sure Id like him gone. I want to have the best team in the NFL coming out of Dallas but personally I dont see the JG is the problem. IMO the problem seems to be coming from somewhere else in most every loss. I dont have a lot of hope for a SB this season but being that this, as you said, is a terrible division. If for whatever reason the playoffs are made I think there would be a very strong case for JG to be fired. However a "one and done" doesnt really sale me on JG either. What Id like to see before I throw him out the door is how this season plays out. No excuses about injuries either is a playoff win or more. Then I would have no problem seeing him as the Cowboys HC again next year. Until its over this season Im going to stay optimistic or a groupie or whatever way other choose to see it.

Fair enough
I was a supporter of Garrett when was hired
If he takes us to a playoff win and more, I would love it
Posters who are critical of Garrett realize that the fastest way to success is for Garrett to turn out to be a great HC .... The issue is that we see no evidence of it coming to fruition anytime soon

BTW, I think Garrett will be back even if we don't make the playoffs

JMO

 

[Picksix]

Move the bar all you want. The Chiefs schedule is easy for the same reason that Dallas' is... playing the weak NFC East. Chiefs have 6 tougher division games than Dallas does.

We have one of the best QBs in the league, but the argument seems to be that he needs ALL-Pros at every other position to succeed. Rookie QBs or Alex Smith really THAT big of upgrades? Why don't they need a roster full of ALL-Pros to succeed? The answer is far superior coaching and management.

You have no logical way to win this debate. Maybe you could "LOL" some more since you can't win on facts.

They've also played Jacksonville, Oakland, Houston, and Cleveland. We've played (besides KC) Denver, SD, and Detroit. And no, we don't need all-Pro's at every position. I can't believe you're insulting someone else's logic. At least we're showing some.

 

[unionjack8]

Some good examples are the Colts, Chiefs and 49ers. All three have rebounded from very recent 2-14 or 6-10 records in just one season.

Garrett inherited a team that he helped form as he was A.H.C. to Wade, and the team he inherited had won a playoff game as well as a 13-3 record under Wade while Garrett was there so no sale on "inheriting a mess". Harbaugh didn't mind inheriting a team that was more of a mess, nor did Andy Reid.

The Cowboys are also not the only team to suffer injuries every year. It's part of the game and you cope with it. You can cry about that, but it's true.

add the falcons under mike smith in his first year,

 

[Picksix]

That's not what I said. I said, "he's been DL coach of the year AFAIC". I have no idea if they actually have a position's coach of the year award. If they do I've never heard of it. I'm just saying he has been an incredible defensive line coach. That's what most reasonable people with ordinary reading skills would have gotten from that IMO. I suspect you know what I meant though.

I wasn't quoting you, doc.

 

[dupree89]

And again...the Chiefs, Colts and 49ers had massive upgrades at QB that propelled their turnarounds. It wasn't all coaching guys.

So San Fran made a massive QB upgrade over the lowly Alex Smith, yet you're saying Alex Smith is a big reason for KC's turnaround.?!?

 

[dropdeadfred5]

when JG took us to 5-3 with a backup QB I thought we had found our coach.

Still thought that way after 2011 though I was starting to wonder.

After 2012 I had serious doubts.

after half a season of 2013 I no longer think he is the answer.

 

[dupree89]

when JG took us to 5-3 with a backup QB I thought we had found our coach.

Still thought that way after 2011 though I was starting to wonder.

After 2012 I had serious doubts.

after half a season of 2013 I no longer think he is the answer.

Are you saying that it was a process that eventually led you to believe he isnt the right guy?

 

[Frosty]

Those are terrible examples.
Take a look at what the 49ers have been doing for 10 years before that current coach got there. They have been improving every year.

Colts? Tell me more about how Pagano did so well his first year while he wasnt even there. He was going through chemotherapy and all types of unfortunate stuff.

Chiefs? The Chief will almost certainly not even win their division. They are off to a great start and were known to be loaded with talent on the defensive side.

The players were in place for the 49ers, they just could not find a HC to take the team over the top.....In comes Harabaugh and BINGO they found the final piece of the puzzle, A HC who took them to the Superbowl.. and challenging again. Cowboys are going down the same road....Still waiting to find their final piece of the puzzle (HC) to get this team over the top..... Been waiting a long time and Garrett has had his chance.....he is just not the missing piece for this team. .....3.5 years is enough.... This team needs a experienced HC, not a HC who is being developed......

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Yea but we already had a good QB when Garrett took over. It shouldn't be this difficult.

That's the problem...A no matter what you're not going to see a worst to first change with a new coach because we weren't at the bottom.

Next....because of a guy like Romo we never bottomed out and drafted in the top 5 for years in a row to build real depth.

Slower turnaround.

But you didn't have to endure seasons with fans wearing bags over their heads either...we were always "relevant"