How on Earth is Garrett NOT Coach of the Year?

[khiladi]

And it was Garrett who removed Callahan from that role, why because he is the HC he is not some puppet. Jerry wants Garrett to be the HC not the OC giving Garrett more focus on the team instead of one side of the ball. Linehan was hired a man that Jason worked with and has a close relationship with that was not by accident and what did Linehan say that he was told by Garrett when he got the job? Linehan said Garrett directed him that we would run the ball. Fact is Jason Garrett is the HC of the Cowboys and if Jerry was unhappy about that he would not have given Jason and extension on the contract, why the hell would anyone extend a contract if you did not believe in the HC. Only one who seems to have an issue is you. Good luck with that.

Any evidence of Garrett telling Linehan to run the ball when Garrett, throughout his career, never ran it...

 

[Doomsday101]

Any evidence of Garrett telling Linehan to run the ball when Garrett, throughout his career, never ran it...

Garrett ran it not as much as he should and I think even Garrett understand that. Again he is the HC he is the man whom Jerry hired he is the man whom Jerry has just given a 5 year deal to continue to be the HC. No one does that unless you believe in that guy and feel he is getting the team moving in the right direction. HC is not about play calling that is why most use OC and DC that is not unusual and it was the advice given to both Jerry and Jason from Jimmy Johnson another HC who did not call the plays but was very involved in the team.

 

[khiladi]

Garrett ran it not as much as he should and I think even Garrett understand that. Again he is the HC he is the man whom Jerry hired he is the man whom Jerry has just given a 5 year deal to continue to be the HC. No one does that unless you believe in that guy and feel he is getting the team moving in the right direction. HC is not about play calling that is why most use OC and DC that is not unusual and it was the advice given to both Jerry and Jason from Jimmy Johnson another HC who did not call the plays but was very involved in the team.

So no evidence... Even Jerry said that Linehan would run, as opposed to coaches who say they would run but never did, when speaking about the change, along with targeting the best players...

 

[Doomsday101]

So no evidence... Even Jerry said that Linehan would run, as opposed to coaches who say they would run but never did, when speaking about the change, along with targeting the best players...

Evidence? Jason Garrett is the HC of the Dallas Cowboys and was just signed to an extention. Is Linehan he HC? Ummmm? No Jason Garrett is and again showed that in 2013 when he pulled the playcalling duty from Callahan and Jerry did not fire him for doing it. A puppet would do as told no question asked Garrett took matters into his own hands and took away play calling from Callahan that is what a man in charge does.

 

[khiladi]

Evidence? Jason Garrett is the HC of the Dallas Cowboys and was just signed to an extention. Is Linehan he HC? Ummmm? No Jason Garrett is and again showed that in 2013 when he pulled the playcalling duty from Callahan and Jerry did not fire him for doing it. A puppet would do as told no question asked Garrett took matters into his own hands and took away play calling from Callahan that is what a man in charge does.

So basically you have no evidence that Garrett is the one that told Linehan to run the ball more..

 

[Doomsday101]

IRVING — The Cowboys hired Scott Linehan in late January as their passing game coordinator.
But the new passing game coordinator knew right away that the Cowboys wanted to emphasize the running game. Coach Jason Garrett made that clear before Linehan took the job.

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...aking-cowboys-best-playmakers-even-better.ece


“He’s always done a good job of featuring the best parts of his offense,” Garrett said. “That’s something I believe in more than anything else that we do.
“Somehow, some way as coaches we have to have systems in place that feature the guys that we have and we believe in our systems and we’re convicted to our systems, but we’ve got to say, ‘OK, this is the best part of our team. We’ve got to do that. We have to make sure we do this. This isn’t very good. We can’t do much of that. We want to make this better. We want to be more balanced.’”

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...aking-cowboys-best-playmakers-even-better.ece

 

[Idgit]

IRVING — The Cowboys hired Scott Linehan in late January as their passing game coordinator.
But the new passing game coordinator knew right away that the Cowboys wanted to emphasize the running game. Coach Jason Garrett made that clear before Linehan took the job.

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...aking-cowboys-best-playmakers-even-better.ece


“He’s always done a good job of featuring the best parts of his offense,” Garrett said. “That’s something I believe in more than anything else that we do.
“Somehow, some way as coaches we have to have systems in place that feature the guys that we have and we believe in our systems and we’re convicted to our systems, but we’ve got to say, ‘OK, this is the best part of our team. We’ve got to do that. We have to make sure we do this. This isn’t very good. We can’t do much of that. We want to make this better. We want to be more balanced.’”

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...aking-cowboys-best-playmakers-even-better.ece

There's really no need to get sucked into an argument re: who's telling whom to do what. Jason Garrett is the HC of the Cowboys. He hired Linehan, Linehan works for him. Jason Garrett gets the blame--and the credit--for the direction of the Dallas Cowboys. Some fans will try to only give the blame and never the credit. Or they'll give some of the credit and short some of it because the alternative is having been wrong on the internet, but the reality is, this is Jason Garrett's team, and all the parsing and the tapdancing ultimately comes down to being of no consequence. He's a very good coach, and, to borrow a phrase, he has been for a long time. It's been obvious to some for a while. It's becoming obvious to others. Eventually, we'll get to where we finally are with Tony Romo and anybody still arguing to the contrary will be seen as way out on a lonely limb for reasons that aren't entirely rational.

As for the CotY honors, honestly, I don't care very much about these awards, anyway. I think, for the most part, they're decided before the season is 3/4 over, anyway, and after that it's almost impossible to go against consensus. Then, if you get shorted one year, you have a leg up early in the season the next year, so that's effectively your 'payback' for people being unable to make clear decisions in the first place. But, like all these awards, there's more than one deserving guy in each job each season. Arians did a fantastic job this year, so he's well-deserving of some recognition.

 

[Hostile]

Because the Cardinals were stacked at QB, right... Did you see how awful Weeden played his whole career that we even picked him up? Coach of the Year picking him up?

No, the Cardinals were stacked at Defense. Which is why Todd Bowles is now a Head Coach...deservedly so IMO.

 

[Hostile]

Oh you mean the improvement had nothing to do with Marinelli taking over the defense...

No, you mean Garrett being more involved didn't have any affect, and that would be silly.

Bottom line man, I live in AZ and your comment that Arians has more impact on his players than Garrett has on his is a freaking joke. The Cardinals players like the guy, but it is nowhere near how our players respect Garrett. You hear me? Nowhere near.

You were wrong about the man and you obviously intend to continue being wrong about him. Good luck with that. I've never liked purposely looking dumb myself, but that's my vanity. I applaud your apparent inhibitions to it.

 

[khiladi]

No, you mean Garrett being more involved didn't have any affect, and that would be silly.

Bottom line man, I live in AZ and your comment that Arians has more impact on his players than Garrett has on his is a freaking joke. The Cardinals players like the guy, but it is nowhere near how our players respect Garrett. You hear me? Nowhere near.

You were wrong about the man and you obviously intend to continue being wrong about him. Good luck with that. I've never liked purposely looking dumb myself, but that's my vanity. I applaud your apparent inhibitions to it.

so some subjective, non-quantifiable thing like respect as opposed to the fact Garrett actually got stripped of duties.. ok

but like I said, as long as the set-up works in the end, i'm fine with it..

 

[Doomsday101]

so some subjective, non-quantifiable thing like respect as opposed to the fact Garrett actually got stripped of duties.. ok

was Garrett stripped of being the HC? You do know HC is over OC/DC and all other assistant coaches. It is the pecking order, Garrett and his staff

 

[Hostile]

so some subjective, non-quantifiable thing like respect as opposed to the fact Garrett actually got stripped of duties.. ok

but like I said, as long as the set-up works in the end, i'm fine with it..

He wasn't "stripped" of duties. If you think he is not involved in Offense and Defense and in the game plans then you are just delusional.

Oh, and for the record, I said Arians was not in my top 3.

1. Garrett, 4 game improvement, way above pre-season expectations of the Cowboys. USA Today had his team 3-13. 9 games better than those expectations.

2. Doug Marrone. He got Buffalo out of the AFC East Cellar for only the 2nd time in the last 7 years and the other time they were tied for the worst record, but won the tie breaker. 3 game improvement.

3. Mike Tomlin. 3 game improvement and took back the AFC North with a great finish to the season.


Every one of them was more impressive than a 1 game improvement and collapse.

 

[khiladi]

IRVING — The Cowboys hired Scott Linehan in late January as their passing game coordinator.
But the new passing game coordinator knew right away that the Cowboys wanted to emphasize the running game. Coach Jason Garrett made that clear before Linehan took the job.

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...aking-cowboys-best-playmakers-even-better.ece


“He’s always done a good job of featuring the best parts of his offense,” Garrett said. “That’s something I believe in more than anything else that we do.
“Somehow, some way as coaches we have to have systems in place that feature the guys that we have and we believe in our systems and we’re convicted to our systems, but we’ve got to say, ‘OK, this is the best part of our team. We’ve got to do that. We have to make sure we do this. This isn’t very good. We can’t do much of that. We want to make this better. We want to be more balanced.’”

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...aking-cowboys-best-playmakers-even-better.ece

Yeah, Jerry already said that Scott Linehan would utilize their best players and emphasize the running game when he was comparing it to what Garrett does not do when he hired him. He said this specifically in the context that they don't have to change offensive systems, the implication being Jason wasn't getting the job done in his own offense.

Garrett repeating the line of why they went Linehan doesn't prove your case at all.

 

[khiladi]

He wasn't "stripped" of duties. If you think he is not involved in Offense and Defense and in the game plans then you are just delusional.

I didn't ask you your top 3. I didn't even say I'd disagree with Garrett. I also don't have a problem with Arians. What I said was Arians lost his starting QB, otherwise they were playing really well. If we lost our starting QB, we'd suck as is evidenced by Weeden's play against Arizona.

And yes, Garrett did get play-calling duties stripped from him and amazingly, they did go from 8-8 to 12-4. Imagine if Jerry stripped him of them way back, when he had Romo in his prime and healthy. We would have saved a lot of years of bad play-calling. Hell, we may have even won with Wade a SB, since that is what Jason was doing here, being an OC. You know the thing he got demoted from.

 

[Hostile]

I didn't ask you your top 3. I didn't even say I'd disagree with Garrett. I also don't have a problem with Arians. What I said was Arians lost his starting QB, otherwise they were playing really well. If we lost our starting QB, we'd suck as is evidenced by Weeden's play against Arizona.

And yes, Garrett did get play-calling duties stripped from him and amazingly, they did go from 8-8 to 12-4. Imagine if Jerry stripped him of them way back, when he had Romo in his prime and healthy. We would have saved a lot of years of bad play-calling. Hell, we may have even won with Wade a SB, since that is what Jason was doing here, being an OC. You know the thing he got demoted from.

You are incorrect, but by all means go on with your fantasy.

Oh, and "for the record" does not mean "since you asked. It means, in case anyone (as in possibly other people) wondered.

 

[Nav22]

Any evidence of Garrett telling Linehan to run the ball when Garrett, throughout his career, never ran it...

Here you go:

http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=11741715&wjb=

Garrett knew that if the Cowboys could control the line of scrimmage and run the ball, it would create play-action pass opportunities for Romo and one-on-one matchups for Bryant or Jason Witten when teams used an eighth defender to stop the run.

"'The No.1 thing we're going to do is get this running game like the old days,'" Linehan said Garrett told him when they discussed working together.

"In his mind, he was talking about the days when he was wearing a uniform. That was loud and clear."

 

[khiladi]

You are incorrect, but by all means go on with your fantasy.

Oh, and "for the record" does not mean "since you asked. It means, in case anyone (as in possibly other people) wondered.

No, I'm correct and Jerry himself said it.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2014/02/23/jerry-jones-not-planned-garrett-was-coordinator

“There’s a difference when you’re sitting in the room as the head coach and you say, ‘Wait a minute, you put some salt and pepper in there,’” Jones said. “Then, after it’s already been cooked and you’re tasting it outside the room and you say it might need a little salt and pepper. There’s a big difference. One you’re involved in the cooking, and one you’re not. Jason was involved in the cooking last year. That’s just a fact, and everybody knows that, really, or should. That won’t be the case this year, and the addition of Linehan caused that. So it will be cooked.”

Among others, but yeah, I'm in denial and your not..

 

[khiladi]

Here you go:

http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=11741715&wjb=

Garrett knew that if the Cowboys could control the line of scrimmage and run the ball, it would create play-action pass opportunities for Romo and one-on-one matchups for Bryant or Jason Witten when teams used an eighth defender to stop the run.

"'The No.1 thing we're going to do is get this running game like the old days,'" Linehan said Garrett told him when they discussed working together.

"In his mind, he was talking about the days when he was wearing a uniform. That was loud and clear."

You do realize that Jerry said this specifically when they hired Linehan in January Februrary when talking in the context of the shift between Linehan and Garrett, the former allows them to utilize the talents of specific players and him going to run the ball. You do know that this was already a priority and Jerry made the hire right? There is a lot of assumptions in the ESPN article that this is what Jason wanted, after the season already started and what Linehan was doing.

 

[Idgit]

Here you go:

http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=11741715&wjb=

Garrett knew that if the Cowboys could control the line of scrimmage and run the ball, it would create play-action pass opportunities for Romo and one-on-one matchups for Bryant or Jason Witten when teams used an eighth defender to stop the run.

"'The No.1 thing we're going to do is get this running game like the old days,'" Linehan said Garrett told him when they discussed working together.

"In his mind, he was talking about the days when he was wearing a uniform. That was loud and clear."

There we go. I looked for that one earlier, because I remembered him saying it at the time. Pretty clear.

Good find.

 

[Hostile]

No, I'm correct and Jerry himself said it.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2014/02/23/jerry-jones-not-planned-garrett-was-coordinator





Among others, but yeah, I'm in denial and your not..

I love how you're an expert on Jerry speak and I know all about the media interpretations. Riddle me this Batman, why are Linehan and Marinelli giving Jason Garrett so much credit since he apparently according to your interpretation of Jerry speak does nothing?

This ought to be a hoot.