Hypothetically Dak has a great season

[TheMarathonContinues]

Eagles had the balls to cut ties with wentz and it worked out for them. Too bad we can’t do the same

Eagles won the SB with Nick Foles…how much balls did it take to let go of the cancer in your locker room?

 

[beware_d-ware]

I don’t even think Dak took his game to another gear. He’s been this same guy since 2019 the year before he just was turnover prone.

Yeah, I think 2023 was just normal Dak playing a 32nd ranked pass defense schedule. He caught a good break, and he'll have a hard time bettering that.

 

[jujoboys]

The Eagles have won a Super Bowl and been to another with two different QBs since Dak became a Cowboy.

Dak staying a Cowboys guarantees one less team the Eagles have to worry about come playoff time.

I'm just posting what I have heard from actual Eagles fans that I am friends with. They joke about Dak choking in the playoffs but they would still rather he be gone and Jerry have to search for a new QB. They think Jerry will struggle to find a competent QB to replace Dak and that it will make the Cowboys worse. Eagles fans don't want Dallas going 8-9, 9-8, 12-5, etc. They want Dallas going 4-13, 5-12, etc. They don't want Dallas making the playoffs whether they choke or not. They want Dallas doing what the Giants have been doing for the last dozen years.

 

[America's Cowboy]

No. I do not believe a lesser QB can carry the team further. I believe a lesser QB can get to the playoffs and lose. Just the same way Dak does. We don't need to pay 50-60M to do that.

Ok. We would be getting no where with your idea. Best thing is for Dak and the highest paid players to take less and help the front office keep better players around them. Don't you agree?

 

[Flamma]

Hmm…the Eagles at the time were playing well. And Dak played well though we lost. Him stepping out killed that potential victory.

The thing is, we don't need to pay a QB 50M+ when he does nothing to elevate this team. Do you think a Dak led 3-7 Cowboys team could go off as the favorites against a 10-0 Carolina team? Never would happen. Dak isn't worth the price tag. We're not going anywhere with him. This front office didn't support him on his rookie contract, it's only worse now.

 

[Jipper]

doesnt matter - he gone...

he has shown that he cares more about the money and no matter what come end of season someone out there is going to pay him more (either per year and/or guaranteed) than dallas will pay him. Dallas has no leverage in negotiations (can't tag, cant trade unless he approves) so hes going to play out here, and be gone.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yeah, I think 2023 was just normal Dak playing a 32nd ranked pass defense schedule. He caught a good break, and he'll have a hard time bettering that.

I think he can and will mind you he didn’t start playing well until week 6…..also played only 3 quarters of 6 or 7 games due to blowouts.

 

[Flamma]

Eagles had the balls to cut ties with wentz and it worked out for them. Too bad we can’t do the same

It goes to show how far the Eagles are willing to support their QBs. They won a SB with the Wentz/Foles combo, and got to a SB with Hurts. They understand how to support their limited QBs. As do the 49ers.

 

[DallasEast]

I believe that a lesser qb increases our odds exponentially to getting the necessary draft position to finding the next cheap rookie franchise qb

Thats where I see the true value

That is one way to look at it. Then there is the way Jerry Jones might look at the scenario using hindsight.

Quincy Carter self-destructed in August 2004. The combo of Barely-Holding-Onto-A-Pro-Career Vinny Testarverde and Failed-Baseball-Prospect-Drew Henson led the team to a 6-10 regular season record. At the time, I would think those two qualify as lesser quarterbacks--whether appraised together or separately.

Jerry Jones did use the 11th overall pick on future Hall of Famer Demarcus Ware in the following draft. That said, Jones had an optimum opportunity of selecting a 'cheap rookie franchise quarterback' prospect. 2005 was the infamous draft that saw Aaron Rodgers plummeted to the 24th overall pick.

I think any exponential odds increase is relative to whomever is making the final decision on the quarterback prospect. History suggests the opportunity would likely be higher if the decision was made by another GM not named Jerry Jones.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The thing is, we don't need to pay a QB 50M+ when he does nothing to elevate this team. Do you think a Dak led 3-7 Cowboys team could go off as the favorites against a 10-0 Carolina team? Never would happen. Dak isn't worth the price tag. We're not going anywhere with him. This front office didn't support him on his rookie contract, it's only worse now.

I mean I don’t disagree I just don’t think anyone can elevate a Jerry Jones led organization….a real contender doesn’t need to be elevated IMO. I don’t think Mahoney’s elevates Chris Jones he’s just a dog and knows what he’s suppose to do.

 

[OGSixshooter]

I don’t even think Dak took his game to another gear. He’s been this same guy since 2019 the year before he just was turnover prone.

And this is a good thing? He deserves a raise for being "perfect" since 2019?

 

[shabazz]

There’s some truth to this but at the same time they got more out of Romo and Dak then they would’ve got out of anyone they had taken in the 1st round except Mahomes and Rodger’s….

It doesn't have to be a 1st....2nd or 3rd round has to have some potential talent as well

If we don't mind taking TEs in the 2nd round, why not a qb?

 

[OGSixshooter]

I mean I don’t disagree I just don’t think anyone can elevate a Jerry Jones led organization….a real contender doesn’t need to be elevated IMO. I don’t think Mahoney’s elevates Chris Jones he’s just a dog and knows what he’s suppose to do.

Jimmy did it. It's possible if we had better players. Jerry doesn't throw pick 6's...and consistently choke in big games. Does he help? No...I think we all agree he should say less, but the idea that he is making Dak choke is moving the goalposts.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

And this is a good thing? He deserves a raise for being "perfect" since 2019?

Is that what I said lol? This if the NFL….guys don’t get what they suppose to based on what thry “deserve”.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Jimmy did it. It's possible if we had better players. Jerry doesn't throw pick 6's...and consistently choke in big games. Does he help? No...I think we all agree he should say less, but the idea that he is making Dak choke is moving the goalposts.

So basically you saying we need no salary cap and 10 future hall of famers….good luck. This isn’t a Dak discussion. We haven’t made a conference game since the 90s. Dak was born in the 90s…..

 

[OGSixshooter]

It doesn't have to be a 1st....2nd or 3rd round has to have some potential talent as well

If we don't mind taking TEs in the 2nd round, why not a qb?

Dak's been perfect since 2019 and no QB who has come out has been better so...we should just stand pat and appreciate that we have an "MVP candidate" or "top 10 QB" or whatever other useless stat is thrown up to distract from epic collapses.

 

[OGSixshooter]

So basically you saying we need no salary cap and 10 future hall of famers….good luck.

No, I'm saying if you pay your QB like he's a force multiplier...he better actually be a force multiplier. But if he's a guy who "needs a running game" or "needs to be put on a pitch count"...then pay that player ACCORDINGLY.

 

[shabazz]

That is one way to look at it. Then there is the way Jerry Jones might look at the scenario using hindsight.

Quincy Carter self-destructed in August 2004. The combo of Barely-Holding-Onto-A-Pro-Career Vinny Testarverde and Failed-Baseball-Prospect-Drew Henson led the team to a 6-10 regular season record. At the time, I would think those two qualify as lesser quarterbacks--whether appraised together or separately.

Jerry Jones did use the 11th overall pick on future Hall of Famer Demarcus Ware in the following draft. That said, Jones had an optimum opportunity of selecting a 'cheap rookie franchise quarterback' prospect. 2005 was the infamous draft that saw Aaron Rodgers plummeted to the 24th overall pick.

I think any exponential odds increase is relative to whomever is making the final decision on the quarterback prospect. History suggests the opportunity would likely be higher if the decision was made by another GM not named Jerry Jones.

Quite true but if we believe that the status quo with Jerry will never change, there's really no hope.

However, with these new moves and non-moves I finally see a shift in philosophy.....whether it's real remains to be seen.

Another thing to consider is that moving up to the top 5 pick is easier from the 10-12 position than it is from the 26th.

I would never say to deliberately tank but if a team is cap strapped because they don't want to resign some players AND they want to evaluate young players, a losing record may happen organically.

 

[Diehardblues]

We choose to let him play it out this season on his current number. Are we really going to enter contract negotiations with him then? If we don't like his offer now, we're going to like it later??? Later it's going to be way more than it is now. I don't get the hold up, put this conversation out of its misery please. Come out and say "we've seen his agents numbers, it doesn't align with what we feel at the moment!" "If he gets us further in the playoffs/Superbowl, we will happily make him the highest paid QB ever!"

I’m not sure why more fans aren’t following what our owner has said instead of inserting their own narrative?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

It doesn't have to be a 1st....2nd or 3rd round has to have some potential talent as well

If we don't mind taking TEs in the 2nd round, why not a qb?

I mean what is the objective? To find anyone or just someone better than Dak and Romo? I don’t advocate taking a tight end in the 2nd round that’s silly as well.