I actually have a beef with Parsons

[blueblood70]

I'm calling for him to arrive to where Charles Haley already was and is still there to teach him FURTHER...wake up to what I am pointing towards and not just hero worship.

Parsons is STILL in a growth stage, which has been pointed at this entire OP!

Cowboys pass-rushers ready to reap the rewards of the 'Parsons Effect'​

https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/2023/07/02/micah-parsons-effect/

Since entering the league in 2021, few players have made the impact Micah Parsons has for the Dallas Cowboys. His 26.5 career sacks, 33 tackles for loss and 88 pressures are just the tip of the iceberg. His 20.4 pressure percentage is the highest in the NFL, making him arguably the most impactful pass-rusher in the NFL today. Parsons strikes fear in the hearts of opponents when he’s rushing the passer. Teams are mindful of his whereabouts because they know he can shift the balance of the game on any given play. They dedicate extra resources in their attempts to neutralize the 24-year-old superstar.

Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn’t. Parsons had nine games in 2023 where he failed to log a single sack. Even the best pass-rusher on the planet can be stopped if teams devote enough resources to the task. But impact players make a difference even when they’re not filling up the stat sheet. Their gravity pulls attention into their direction, opening up opportunities for teammates around them.

Starting opposite Parsons promises to offer many one-on-one situations. The “Parsons Effect” has multiple beneficiaries because the All-Pro constantly demands double and even triple teams. Even when he’s not pilling up sack numbers he’s making a tremendous impact. Look no further than Parsons’ worst statistical games. Parsons failed to log a sack or tackle for loss in five regular season games last season. Dallas won all five games. His impact extends beyond the stat sheet because he opens things up for those around him.

It’s the “Parsons Effect.”
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Now, my OP and additional posts was directed at growth.

No, he is not yet a Charles Haley, yet.

Does he need further growth, yes.

How long has he even been in the league? He entered the league in 2021.

Has he or his teammates completed their combined progression yet? No

His 'effects' are in growth. As is the team interactions off of his growth.

Does he STILL need growth, both in physical skills, recognition, AND leadership? YOU BET HE DOES!



At least understand the full process. He is very talented and has a great contribution but he isn't yet a Charles Haley, of on the levels, yet, of the true greats that played the position similar to Parsons. Call him an 'End', defensive end, or linebacker...he's not yet a Haley, Singletary, Carsons, Lawrence Taylor...yet.
He still needs his own growth and team fitting place...and we all will see how much more he grows.

I pointed out the additional features that he does not yet have...and that part is always gained in a baptism under fire.

At least if this thread was followed on facts and actual reasons presented, one would at least know what has to be further judged. Both Parsons and the Cowboys team in growth.

That is how a Championship team is made.

Not in a hero worshipping without first doing it the still old fashioned way...by Earning it first.

Dude let it go you picked on the wrong person and how long is this post been going on 16 pages people are not gonna agree with you Michael Parsons is a generational player I see these things he'll grow naturally but you telling me that you think he doesn't get off his blocks fast enough I don't even have to go back and look at it it's ridiculous all the things you pointed out shows he doesn't the only reason he slowed down last year is because he got hurt had at least three injuries I could see and when he finally was able to work through them he actually played very well in the playoffs the dudes being sometimes double and triple team they're skinning for him and that's all we need because he makes the other players better that's why we had a bunch of guys with career years with six to eight sacks each and now they hear again another year because of Michael Parsons guys like Armstrong and Fowler may not be on this team anymore if it had not been for Micah drawing all that coverage can someone let this post die already just reading the headline that you have beef with a guy like Parsons is insane

I can have a beef with your beef there are many other players you can pick on that would be well deserved he's just not one of them.... The man did not need your help or your advice he does this every offseason he works really hard he's a motivated player this is not Randy Gregory of course he's not Charles Haley first of all there are two different types of bodies and players what are people goanna distinguish this Micah Parsons is a linebacker he's an outside linebacker who plays on the end a lot and pass rushes but he moves all over the place he is not a every down hand in the ground pass rusher like Garrett or Charles Haley.. So their games are going to look very different... But man lots of things you're saying are just redundant over and over 16 pages deep just let it go you're not gonna find people to move to your debate if you put up a poll 90% of us would say this was a wasted and ridiculous thread so I just had to come on here and say it again because it's at the very top of the page again!!

 

[CCBoy]

Dude let it go you picked on the wrong person and how long is this post been going on 16 pages people are not gonna agree with you Michael Parsons is a generational player I see these things he'll grow naturally but you telling me that you think he doesn't get off his blocks fast enough I don't even have to go back and look at it it's ridiculous all the things you pointed out shows he doesn't the only reason he slowed down last year is because he got hurt had at least three injuries I could see and when he finally was able to work through them he actually played very well in the playoffs the dudes being sometimes double and triple team they're skinning for him and that's all we need because he makes the other players better that's why we had a bunch of guys with career years with six to eight sacks each and now they hear again another year because of Michael Parsons guys like Armstrong and Fowler may not be on this team anymore if it had not been for Micah drawing all that coverage can someone let this post die already just reading the headline that you have beef with a guy like Parsons is insane

I can have a beef with your beef there are many other players you can pick on that would be well deserved he's just not one of them.... The man did not need your help or your advice he does this every offseason he works really hard he's a motivated player this is not Randy Gregory of course he's not Charles Haley first of all there are two different types of bodies and players what are people goanna distinguish this Micah Parsons is a linebacker he's an outside linebacker who plays on the end a lot and pass rushes but he moves all over the place he is not a every down hand in the ground pass rusher like Garrett or Charles Haley.. So their games are going to look very different... But man lots of things you're saying are just redundant over and over 16 pages deep just let it go you're not gonna find people to move to your debate if you put up a poll 90% of us would say this was a wasted and ridiculous thread so I just had to come on here and say it again because it's at the very top of the page again!!

Naw, the OP was on what Parsons needs, not as blame, but on him. That was stated initially and in a progression of why's.

Try reading what is presented, that requires following points as a directional developing of a topic.



Straight up, does Parson represent a talent at the level of a Super Bowl Charles Haley? I'll answer for you, no he doesn't. Why not? He and the team need further growth...both!



What he owes the fan of the Cowboys, is those last levels of GROWTH!

Now run right along and feel insulted by someone else..but if length and not being correct is your standard, just ignore it instead of using the night depository.

 

[OmerV]

He's too much new school and too much of a 'sweet' player to take full control of the Cowboys defense.

Old School linebackers: Lawrence Taylor, Harry Carson, Willie Lanier, Mike Singletary, Ray Lewis...they are not specialized besides effectively being immediately aggressive. They were in the play before they were blocked. Parsons gets blocked a lot, and isn't nearly as dominating as old school linebacker was for their team. That was five players who met every inch of the requirement. He better commit more within himself and less into talking about it. Do it!

Other than Taylor all the others were MLB/ILB players who played that hard nosed, in the middle role exclusively. That's not Parson's position or role, so it's not a realistic comparison. Not even close.

The only one that would be a similar position comparison is Lawrence Taylor, and still, that's not remotely a reasonable comparison. Parson's is used in different roles and ways, and besides, you can't condemn a guy for not being as good as someone who is considered the best edge rusher in the history of the game, and by many (most?) as the best defensive player ever regardless of position.

 

[CCBoy]

Other than Taylor all the others were MLB/ILB players who played that hard nosed, in the middle role exclusively. That's not Parson's position or role, so it's not a realistic comparison. Not even close.

The only one that would be a similar position comparison is Lawrence Taylor, and still, that's not remotely a reasonable comparison. Parson's is used in different roles and ways, and besides, you can't condemn a guy for not being as good as someone who is considered the best edge rusher in the history of the game, and by many (most?) as the best defensive player ever regardless of position.

The category is irrelevant as to the leadership element, and all had the equal leadership and team effect element.

You want a defined end position, go back to the post and reread the name of Charles Haley...but best ever, c'mon, Dick Butkus in that Bears' Defense could blow him out of the water while he was healthy. Lawrence was a linebacker....and his role was every bit similar.

 

[CCBoy]

I get it, Dallas only needs to install a speed bag in the training room.

 

[OmerV]

The category is irrelevant as to the leadership element, and all had the equal leadership and team effect element.

You want a defined end position, go back to the post and reread the name of Charles Haley...but best ever, c'mon, Dick Butkus in that Bears' Defense could blow him out of the water while he was healthy. Lawrence was a linebacker....and his role was every bit similar.

You changed the topic in your response. What you talked about was getting blocked and being aggressive, not leadership.

And your second line here is also talking about level of play, not leadership.

But I still don't get your point. LT, by most accounts, was the best OLB ever, and often called the best defensive player ever. Butkus, by most accounts, was the best MLB ever. It seems you are putting down Parson's for not being better than the best players in the history of the NFL. Is that really your standard?

 

[Typhus]

Parsons greatest attribute to Q is that he can be moved around or just let MP choose the moment to do so himself.
He is that good and Q knows when the time is appropriate as well as MP and that is what is most important, the symbiotic understanding and trust.

 

[Typhus]

Those are all LB's. Is Parsons really a LB? He might be listed as a LB but he is a DE.

He can play DB as well you know.

 

[Typhus]

I don't agree, friend. Dude beats the guy(s) across from him at a rate few can match. He isn't in the same class as LT or Ray Lewis yet, but he's the only guy in the league right now who has a chance to be.

Why the need to compare to LT or Lewis, those two were studs in their era, their game.
Parsons doesnt compare to those two at all, MP is generational now, in this league now.
MP is the present tense LB/DE/Hybrid... exactly what Q covets.

 

[OmerV]

Those are all LB's. Is Parsons really a LB? He might be listed as a LB but he is a DE.

Not only LB's, but other than LT they were middle linebackers. LT was the only edge rusher of the bunch.

 

[CCBoy]

Why the need to compare to LT or Lewis, those two were studs in their era, their game.
Parsons doesnt compare to those two at all, MP is generational now, in this league now.
MP is the present tense LB/DE/Hybrid... exactly what Q covets.

To show where he does need to take his game to...

 

[OmerV]

To show where he does need to take his game to...

Why does he NEED to take his game to the level of the best players in the history of the game?

Was Michael Irvin not great because he wasn't the level of Jerry Rice?

Was Charles Haley or DeMarcus Ware not great because they weren't the level of Reggie White?

Is a player really a disappointment if he doesn't get to the level of the best of all time?

 

[boysfanperiod]

Even without the mean streak, he's doing a fantastic job.

 

[CCBoy]

Why does he NEED to take his game to the level of the best players in the history of the game?

Was Michael Irvin not great because he wasn't the level of Jerry Rice?

Was Charles Haley or DeMarcus Ware not great because they weren't the level of Reggie White?

Is a player really a disappointment if he doesn't get to the level of the best of all time?

Son, you know what an ostrich looks like...so what?

 

[Typhus]

Why does he NEED to take his game to the level of the best players in the history of the game?

Was Michael Irvin not great because he wasn't the level of Jerry Rice?

Was Charles Haley or DeMarcus Ware not great because they weren't the level of Reggie White?

Is a player really a disappointment if he doesn't get to the level of the best of all time?

Different era, different game, different players.
Can't use yesterday's gladiators as a comp because the game has changed too much.
Football remains football to a degree, I hope all understand this, but when the rules change, it changes the entire game.

 

[OmerV]

And yes, I know what an ostrich looks like, and that is irrelevant to this. Not being the level of Lawrence Taylor is not a shortcoming. Nobody is the level of Lawrence Taylor, and many dominant players have fallen short of the level of Lawrence Taylor.

 

[CCBoy]

Different era, different game, different players.
Can't use yesterday's gladiators as a comp because the game has changed too much.
Football remains football to a degree, I hope all understand this, but when the rules change, it changes the entire game.

Yea, they no longer line up nose to nose, and the flags are coming next to keep up with law suites for injury, right? Oh, and instead of a pep talk, they use cell phone messaging...

 

[Typhus]

Yea, they no longer line up nose to nose, and the flags are coming next to keep up with law suites for injury, right? Oh, and instead of a pep talk, they use cell phone messaging...

Its still football, always will be but what I am trying to say is that trends change and then they return, history always repeats itself right?
As much as Goodell wants to change this game with pass heavy offense, we still see teams draft RBs high like Robinson and Gibbs.

 

[OmerV]

Different era, different game, different players.
Can't use yesterday's gladiators as a comp because the game has changed too much.
Football remains football to a degree, I hope all understand this, but when the rules change, it changes the entire game.

True about game changing. Deacon Jones head slap was made illegal years ago. For many years a defensive player could jump offsides and as long as he didn't touch anyone and got back before the snap there was no penalty, if if the O-Line jumped or twitched because of it. If offense moved penalty was on the offense. QB's are much more protected. O-linemen are also bigger and stronger.

But even aside from all that, it absolutely is fair to put down the notion that a player is disappointing if he is not impacting the game the way a player like LT did. That's a ridiculous standard to put on a player

 

[CCBoy]

True about game changing. Deacon Jones head slap was made illegal years ago. For many years a defensive player could jump offsides and as long as he didn't touch anyone and got back before the snap there was no penalty, if if the O-Line jumped or twitched because of it. If offense moved penalty was on the offense. QB's are much more protected. O-linemen are also bigger and stronger.

But even aside from all that, it absolutely is fair to put down the notion that a player is disappointing if he is not impacting the game the way a player like LT did. That's a ridiculous standard to put on a player

That isn't in the ball park for consideration...that is where you are at. Blame it on the bossa nova...