I Forgive Owens

[DallasEast]

The COACH......the OWNER, the guy who pays for the team, and the 1 who has his job on the line, obviously dont find it life threatening, and know its all fun, especially when you are winning.....stop complaining like hes aids him self...get over it

Your whole response had absolutely nothing to do with the sport of football and everything to do with evading a simple answer. However, IF the opportunity arrives that should Owens commit a penalty which will cost the game, Coach Phillips would have a problem with it. What coach who is wanting to WIN a game would accept it as nothing?

Jerry Jones hates to lose, but he's looking strictly at winning a Super Bowl victory. He would not be pleased with a single loss because of a totally unnecessary penalty, but it would grate against his desire to win every game. Most fans feel that way. If you don't, that's fine, but winning is much better than losing.

Inserting Owens in your argument doesn't make any sense. If Owens cared what his voluntarily unnecessary penalties would do, he wouldn't do them? Get real man.

 

[Frozen700]

You’re defending Owens. I haven’t said saying anything about Owens football skills or how he’s not an asset to the team’s offense. In fact, I’ve said the opposite about Owens and still you have a problem with my view of him as a person. So, why are you arguing? Where is your football argument?

Answer: You have none. Your argument with me is your personal feelings about Owens, the exact argument you’re accusing me of.
You have argued with others about Anthony Henry’s value in the defense such as how Eduncan22 would downplay him in relation to Jacques Reeves. I’m not arguing about Owens football abilities and yet how are you interacting with me? Again, where is your football argument with me?And what do you seek to GAIN??? Spit it out man.

For me to act a lot like Terrell Owens is for me to call a lot of unwarranted attention to myself. If not for your replies, I wouldn’t be discussing Terrell Owens whatsoever.
You don’t understand the concept of individuality.

You keep repeating that I’m acting etc., etc. You have got to stop arguing about someone else’s perceptions from your own. Your arguments will not be relevant until you do. Just a suggestion.I know all that I need of Owens.

Whiney?

You keep bring him up? Who is really whining here? If you wish to prove that I’m whining about Owens, how about testing that theory by shutting up and seeing if I continue YOUR argument without you re-addressing it over and over again?You couldn’t teach me squat.

The world’s much bigger than your naiveté has grown to understand. Give yourself time and you’ll eventually learn.

Me?

Don’t worry about me. Terrell Owens doesn’t. Again, why do you?
Just what the blue hell is “Cereal n Crackers”???

Keep believing what you what in opposition to what I’ve told you. That’s very realistic. That kind of personal philosophy will be rudely shaken as you get older and interact with more individuals in the REAL world.

dude its fun to see your reaction........you go ape **** at my comments....

Yea Cereal....i know you sit and eat it while watching football......pumping your Fist at every TO catch.....stop acting like you dont root for the guy....

you honestly look like a guy who sits and eats coco puffs, with crackers n cheese, screaming at your kids, or wife when they get between you and your game....i know you cheer for him....and i like the way you ignored my other statement about you(regarding you sitting with a blank face when TO scores, i know you dont), and only read the cereal part, so that tells me you cheer,jump n pump your fist....its cool though, he is a cowboy after all

 

[DallasEast]

This obviously goes beyond the standing on the star incident for you. Do you care to explain exactly what it is about Owens those causes such reaction from you?

I have stated some examples, but I've forgotten them according to TerenceNewman700. Here's a link though:

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2256658&postcount=94

I have numbers in my name, so I assume I am qualified to answer. I was pissed at Smith for those comments. I thought that he called out his former teammates and made it appear as if he was above everyone else. It was an extremely arrogant comment to make. The part that made me upset about his comment was that he admitted that the team looked up to him for answers and admitted that he could not answer those questions. Instead of taking responsibility for his lack in ability to provide leadership to those that were looking up to him, he copped out by spewing insults. Sure, I didn't like those comments he made, but it never caused me to hate him. I still love him as a Cowboy and am glad that we signed him so that he could retire as a member of our team.

My apologies. I addressed more posters than I should have with my comment concerning numbers in one's username. It was directed at only two posters in question for replying to me. It wasn't directed at anyone else. Again, I apologize.

Thanks for a detailed explanation of your reactions to Smith's comments, though. It's a first on this thread. I posed the question to see how others felt about a Dallas Cowboys (although in Cardinal colors at the time) who did or said something contrary to one's acceptable perception, in spite of meaning a great deal more to the Cowboys than Owens has at this stage of his career. Regardless to the length of someone's reaction, it is still a reaction that could be seen as negative.

Mine is permanent in regards to what Owens has done in his past. People may not appreciate my view of Owens, but I may not have appreciated other's view of Smith's single comments, no matter how brief that negative view may have been held by someone else.

The difference between me and a couple of posters on this thread is that I didn't constantly defend Smith making negative comments about the Dallas Cowboys to other posters. However, I'm being contested by someone here for my view of Owens nonstop. Why? What does it matter to that poster? That's my question.

 

[DallasEast]

dude its fun to see your reaction........you go ape **** at my comments....

Yea Cereal....i know you sit and eat it while watching football......pumping your Fist at every TO catch.....stop acting like you dont root for the guy....

you honestly look like a guy who sits and eats coco puffs, with crackers n cheese, screaming at your kids, or wife when they get between you and your game....i know you cheer for him....and i like the way you ignored my other statement about you(regarding you sitting with a blank face when TO scores, i know you dont), and only read the cereal part, so that tells me you cheer,jump n pump your fist....its cool though, he is a cowboy after all

You live in an alternate reality.

 

[EveryoneElse]

Terrell Owens is our best offensive player.

The Dallas Cowboys would not be anywhere close to the threat they are on offense without Terrell Owens.

Terrell Owens deserves a lot of credit for the way he has represented himself in Dallas.

I am glad we have Terrell Owens, and we don't have to go up against him 2 to 3 times a year.

I suspect the haters will realize this in a few years when we are looking to replace him......that won't be easy, and you will long for the days that Terrell Owens was a Cowboy.

 

[DallasEast]

Terrell Owens is our best offensive player.

The Dallas Cowboys would not be anywhere close to the threat they are on offense without Terrell Owens.

Terrell Owens deserves a lot of credit for the way he has represented himself in Dallas.

I am glad we have Terrell Owens, and we don't have to go up against him 2 to 3 times a year.

Let me point out that I don't have an issue with any of the above. Is that acceptable? Okay.

I suspect the haters will realize this in a few years when we are looking to replace him......that won't be easy, and you will long for the days that Terrell Owens was a Cowboy.

Just one question.

Not trying to start an argument.

I hope that's understood.

Here's my question.

Can you accept the fact that there will be exceptions to what you claimed in only the portion which I bolded?

Just asking. Not being a you know what. Just want to see if there's some leeway there or not.

 

[Frozen700]

You live in an alternate reality.

...your a cowboys fan...so its whatever...you hate him so much go ahead!!! Do i think you are being a bit melodramatic? yea...but hey its your life, and obviously love it to be living it...so go on brother!

Go Cowboys!:starspin

 

[DallasEast]

...your a cowboys fan...so its whatever...you hate him so much go ahead!!! Do i think you are being a bit melodramatic? yea...but hey its your life, and obviously love it to be living it...so go on brother!

Melodramatic?

You may have been able to take that stance IF you never broached the subject in the first place.

By the way, that's a hint should you think of replying.

Go Cowboys!:starspin

Now, we're on the same page.

 

[JonJon]

I have stated some examples, but I've forgotten them according to TerenceNewman700. Here's a link though:

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2256658&postcount=94

Those are legitimate examples, though I am more inclined to take those incidents with a grain of salt. You simply don't like the guys personality, and there isn't anything wrong with that. I think we can agree that we have not seen any of those incidents in Dallas so far, which I am happy for. The only thing remotely close was the Tour de France incident during his first year. I personally thought it was quite funny. To each his own though. I have no problem with your feelings towards Owens. You know exactly why you don't like him. What I don't like is people using the star incident as a cover up for what really ails them about Owens. That incident alone shouldn't be enough to draw the hatred that Owens has gotten by other posters.

My apologies. I addressed more posters than I should have with my comment concerning numbers in one's username. It was directed at only two posters in question for replying to me. It wasn't directed at anyone else. Again, I apologize.

Thanks for a detailed explanation of your reactions to Smith's comments, though. It's a first on this thread. I posed the question to see how others felt about a Dallas Cowboys (although in Cardinal colors at the time) who did or said something contrary to one's acceptable perception, in spite of meaning a great deal more to the Cowboys than Owens has at this stage of his career. Regardless to the length of someone's reaction, it is still a reaction that could be seen as negative.

Mine is permanent in regards to what Owens has done in his past. People may not appreciate my view of Owens, but I may not have appreciated other's view of Smith's single comments, no matter how brief that negative view may have been held by someone else.

The difference between me and a couple of posters on this thread is that I didn't constantly defend Smith making negative comments about the Dallas Cowboys to other posters. However, I'm being contested by someone here for my view of Owens nonstop. Why? What does it matter to that poster? That's my question.

It's pretty simple. Some people have a hard time seeing someone else's point of view, and when they don't see it, they become frustrated at what they cannot understand. I, on the other hand, learned the importance and benefits of agreeing to disagree a long time ago. Anyone who has made a decent effort of having a successful relationship with a member of the opposite sex should be able to contest to this: Sometimes, it is just better to let some things go even if you whole heartedly cannot agree. It can save you some restless nights....and aching backs from sleeping on the couch.

 

[EveryoneElse]

Let me point out that I don't have an issue with any of the above. Is that acceptable? Okay.
Just one question.

Not trying to start an argument.

I hope that's understood.

Here's my question.

Can you accept the fact that there will be exceptions to what you claimed in only the portion which I bolded?

Just asking. Not being a you know what. Just want to see if there's some leeway there or not.

i can accept that if that is the stance that some of you are taking. I just can't see the logic in it, thats all.

How can you dispute that it's going to be awefully hard to duplicate his production with some other WR?

 

[DallasEast]

Those are legitimate examples, though I am more inclined to take those incidents with a grain of salt. You simply don't like the guys personality, and there isn't anything wrong with that. I think we can agree that we have not seen any of those incidents in Dallas so far, which I am happy for. The only thing remotely close was the Tour de France incident during his first year. I personally thought it was quite funny. To each his own though. I have no problem with your feelings towards Owens. You know exactly why you don't like him. What I don't like is people using the star incident as a cover up for what really ails them about Owens. That incident alone shouldn't be enough to draw the hatred that Owens has gotten by other posters.

Thanks. I respect your view of Owens. I'm just glad of someone who can look at my stance rationally. Thanks again.

It's pretty simple. Some people have a hard time seeing someone elses point of view, and when they don't see it, they become frustrated at what they cannot understand. I, on the other hand, learned the importance and beneftis of agreeign to disagree a long time ago. Anyone who has made a decent effort of having a succesful releationship with a member of the opposite sex should be able to contest to this: Sometimes, it is just better to let some things go even if you whole heartedly cannot agree. It can save you some restless nights....and acking backs from sleeping on the couch.

Agreed, but Owens isn't one of those for me. You're a good guy, jdub2k4.

 

[DallasEast]

i can accept that if that is the stance that some of you are taking. I just can't see the logic in it, thats all.

Respectfully, and no malice intended whatsoever, I didn't ask if logic would be determined. Just wondered if the exception could be seen. That's all.

How can you dispute that it's going to be awefully hard to duplicate his production with some other WR?

I would ask you or anyone else where have I ever disputed Terrell Owens abilities as a wide receiver?

You won't find it.

I can't dispute it. How could I?

Now, if you're willing to accept that there will be those who will accept Owens not being on this roster and HOPE that his production can be partially replaced one day, we may have a mutual understanding. Every team must replace ex-players to succeed in its future. When Owens is no longer playing for the Cowboys, it will be no different. We'll search for his replacement just like any other player. That's the way it has always been in team sports, professional or otherwise.

 

[Frozen700]

Melodramatic?

You may have been able to take that stance IF you never broached the subject in the first place.

By the way, that's a hint should you think of replying. Now, we're on the same page.

, 4 sure bro!

 

[EveryoneElse]

Respectfully, and no malice intended whatsoever, I didn't ask if logic would be determined. Just wondered if the exception could be seen. That's all.
I would ask you or anyone else where have I ever disputed Terrell Owens abilities as a wide receiver?

You won't find it.

I can't dispute it. How could I?

Now, if you're willing to accept that there will be those who will accept Owens not being on this roster and HOPE that his production can be partially replaced one day, we may have a mutual understanding. Every team must replace ex-players to succeed in its future. When Owens is no longer playing for the Cowboys, it will be no different. We'll search for his replacement just like any other player. That's the way it has always been in team sports, professional or otherwise.

I don't wanna go back and read this whole thread, so can you tell me what your problem with Owens is? Thanks.

 

[Frozen700]

Thanks. I respect your view of Owens. I'm just glad of someone who can look at my stance rationally. Thanks again.Agreed, but Owens isn't one of those for me. You're a good guy, jdub2k4.

HEY, i was trying to be rational...my first post i said you were a cool guy....i seen your posts from the past, i was just having a lil fun, while disagreeing with you, nothing serious bro

 

[DallasEast]

I don't wanna go back and read this whole thread, so can you tell me what your problem with Owens is? Thanks.

Here's some: http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2256791&postcount=103

 

[DallasEast]

HEY, i was trying to be rational...my first post i said you were a cool guy....i seen your posts from the past, i was just having a lil fun, while disagreeing with you, nothing serious bro

If I say it's a-ok, will that be okay?

 

[EveryoneElse]

Here's some: http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2256791&postcount=103

Okay.

The only thing I can say to that is:

1. People can change. Owens has obviously grown up, and is in a good situation. You are free to hold a grudge against him. I choose not to.

 

[DallasEast]

Okay.

The only thing I can say to that is:

1. People can change. Owens has obviously grown up, and is in a good situation. You are free to hold a grudge against him. I choose not to.

Agreed-->Bold

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Too many old timers in here....

"Live into now"........

Get over it... your angst will only make you die bitter