If Columbo is our starting RT who do you keep in reserve at tackle?

[Chuck 54]

1. No way in hell we keep 5 OT's, especially since Kozier can play there as well.

2. Starters are clearly Adams and Columbo...anyone who thinks differently isn't paying attention, and anyone who thinks Pettitti is even in the mix isn't paying attention.

3. McQ is the top backup at LT...no way he's going on the PS...forget it. Even Parcells said that McQ would be the starter at LT if he had to chose a starter with Adams out, and that was before the SF game in which McQ played very well. The hierarchy is clearly Adams, Columbo, McQuistan...the key competition now is between Fabini and Pettitti.

4. Pettitti was not able to compete at RT with Columbo or Fabini for the starter's job, so he was moved to LT to see if he could compete for a backup job or a swing job...the fact that he's actually clearly 3rd string at best at LT does not bode well for the young man. That makes him the 3rd best RT and the 3rd best LT, so why do you guys think he will be kept on the team?

Pettitti's weakness is pass protection...we can't afford to suit up a guy on Sundays who can't pass protect. The only way Pettitti stays on the team is if Fabini gets cut and we go with youth, but then you'd be looking at moving Pettitti back to RT at the last second so he could be the #1 backup to Columbo..............??????????

Nope...I've been wrong before, but to me the handwriting's on the wall...Pettitti is not in the top two guys at either tackle spot...I see no way we keep him.

 

[theogt]

1. No way in hell we keep 5 OT's, especially since Kozier can play there as well.

2. Starters are clearly Adams and Columbo...anyone who thinks differently isn't paying attention, and anyone who thinks Pettitti is even in the mix isn't paying attention.

3. McQ is the top backup at LT...no way he's going on the PS...forget it. Even Parcells said that McQ would be the starter at LT if he had to chose a starter with Adams out, and that was before the SF game in which McQ played very well. The hierarchy is clearly Adams, Columbo, McQuistan...the key competition now is between Fabini and Pettitti.

4. Pettitti was not able to compete at RT with Columbo or Fabini for the starter's job, so he was moved to LT to see if he could compete for a backup job or a swing job...the fact that he's actually clearly 3rd string at best at LT does not bode well for the young man. That makes him the 3rd best RT and the 3rd best LT, so why do you guys think he will be kept on the team?

Pettitti's weakness is pass protection...we can't afford to suit up a guy on Sundays who can't pass protect. The only way Pettitti stays on the team is if Fabini gets cut and we go with youth, but then you'd be looking at moving Pettitti back to RT at the last second so he could be the #1 backup to Columbo..............??????????

Nope...I've been wrong before, but to me the handwriting's on the wall...Pettitti is not in the top two guys at either tackle spot...I see no way we keep him.

It looks really bad when you put it that way.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You mean the same coach who said there was "no way" he would play McQ in a real game right now?

I don't think this is nearly as cut and dry as some think.

and he followed it up by praising his long-term potential

Bill aint running the risk that he gets snatched up

 

[Chuck 54]

Yes, it does. How many times did he actually, or threaten to, pull Jumbo Elliot out of retirement?

But this time, I suspect Jason is odd man out. Bill is going to field the players he thinks are going to best get the job done, yes, but with swing tackle he can now afford to carry a younger player with upside...and that is imo, what he will prefer doing.

The major rap on Bill here has been his inabiity to develop good young linemen...he whiffed with Young's injury, failed to extract more from Walter, Vollers, Lehr...mismanged Dre somewhat by moving him to guard, had to sit thru a year of injury to Al...and on top of it all, the Rogers and Peterman fiasco.

A year or so ago Tuna mentioned that of everything he watched former disciple Belichick do in NE, nothing impressed him more than the young line Mumbles had put together...the versatility, the mix of high and low draft picks, of vets and youth, the ability to lose a guy to injury and plug in an effective replacement, the ability to lose a guy like Damian Woody to free agency and not lose a beat...

Bill wants a viable oline BAD, we know that, but whatever 'security' will be lost by losing Fabini, imo will be made up for by the continued development of Petitti. It's not like Jason is fit to start any longer...has he impressed as much as Colombo over the summer? Rob represents too much of an investment already, in the area where Bill has most obviously fallen short.

I will be very surprised, if it comes down to Jason or Rob, if the decision goes to Fabini.

A very good take on the situation, but more from a fans' perspective, imho. The bottom line is winning, and winning this year....so, if Adams is injured or misses time, who is the #1 LT on the team that can pass protect? Clearly, Parcells has decided that it's McQuistan, and that was before the SF game.

If Columbo goes down or misses any time at RT, who is the best player who can pass protect, to take his place on the current roster?...clearly, it's Fabini...if it wasn't Fabini, then why wasn't he moved to LT to compete and Pettitti left at RT to compete with Columbo.

I don't view Pettitti as a fit swing man at all...first, if you keep 4 OT's, you don't need a swing man, you can keep the best two at both spots. Clearly Pettitti isn't the #3 overall OT.

Personally, if either Adams or Columbo go down, I would not be happy with seeing Pettitti on either side...Parcells himself has admitted that Pettitti's technique is still faulty in pass protection and that he can't stay with speed guys like Ware...I'll actually be surprised to see Pettitti make the team. There are obviously 4 players getting more PT in the preseason games, and it's not because Pettitti is a vet and Parcells already knows what he's got there.

 

[junk]

A very good take on the situation, but more from a fans' perspective, imho. The bottom line is winning, and winning this year....so, if Adams is injured or misses time, who is the #1 LT on the team that can pass protect? Clearly, Parcells has decided that it's McQuistan, and that was before the SF game.

If Columbo goes down or misses any time at RT, who is the best player who can pass protect, to take his place on the current roster?...clearly, it's Fabini...if it wasn't Fabini, then why wasn't he moved to LT to compete and Pettitti left at RT to compete with Columbo.

I don't view Pettitti as a fit swing man at all...first, if you keep 4 OT's, you don't need a swing man, you can keep the best two at both spots. Clearly Pettitti isn't the #3 overall OT.

Personally, if either Adams or Columbo go down, I would not be happy with seeing Pettitti on either side...Parcells himself has admitted that Pettitti's technique is still faulty in pass protection and that he can't stay with speed guys like Ware...I'll actually be surprised to see Pettitti make the team. There are obviously 4 players getting more PT in the preseason games, and it's not because Pettitti is a vet and Parcells already knows what he's got there.

My guess is even if you keep a backup for both spots, you might not have all four tackles active on game day.....so, you'll need a swing backup.

If Flo goes down long term, the McQ might be the long term backup. I suspect if he makes the roster, he is the inactive tackle on game days.

None of these guys add too much to special teams.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Nope...I've been wrong before, but to me the handwriting's on the wall...Pettitti is not in the top two guys at either tackle spot...I see no way we keep him.

I've been wrong too, but it comes down to whether the coaching staff sees RP as a developmental player who has maxed his potential or not, and his future value as compared to Fabini, at the end of his career, and now best suited to a vet swing tackle role.

I'd like to know what Sparano thinks.

 

[theogt]

My guess is even if you keep a backup for both spots, you might not have all four tackles active on game day.....so, you'll need a swing backup.

If Flo goes down long term, the McQ might be the long term backup. I suspect if he makes the roster, he is the inactive tackle on game days.

None of these guys add too much to special teams.

It's long been thought by many that Fabini was brought in to be the game day swing tackle.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

are you guys forgetting that BP said he'd die before he see Pettiti fail? he aint going nowhere

 

[Bob Sacamano]

It's long been thought by many that Fabini was brought in to be the game day swing tackle.

and only McQ and Pettiti have been practicing in that capacity, not Fabini

 

[theogt]

and only McQ and Pettiti have been practicing in that capacity, not Fabini

McQ and Petitti have had as much time at RT in the past couple weeks as Fabini has had at LT - zero.

 

[Chuck 54]

I've been wrong too, but it comes down to whether the coaching staff sees RP as a developmental player who has maxed his potential or not, and his future value as compared to Fabini, at the end of his career, and now best suited to a vet swing tackle role.

I'd like to know what Sparano thinks.

I agree, and I'd certainly like to see the younger guy make it. I think if Pettitti gets the nod over Fabini, it won't be because he gives us the best chance to win if he has to play...I think, as you say, it would be for the future, which means Bill would be keeping him but praying he doesn't have to use him...that's a tough one for a coach.

 

[Chuck 54]

are you guys forgetting that BP said he'd die before he see Pettiti fail? he aint going nowhere

I've seen Parcells and other coaches say lots of things that mean very little when it comes to winning football games.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

A very good take on the situation, but more from a fans' perspective, imho. The bottom line is winning, and winning this year....

Wayne, from what Parcell's has said this isn't completely true. He's repeatedly said that he's interested in the long-term future of this club-- Fabini's future is very limited.

Plus Parcells has often said that he tries to "see" what these guys will be like weeks and months down the road. I'm thinking that Petitti is only going to improve where Fabini maxed out his potential-- he'll never even be as good as he was 3-4 years ago-- and even then he wasn't anything to write home about quite frankly.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

McQ and Petitti have had as much time at RT in the past couple weeks as Fabini has had at LT - zero.

Pettiti and McQuistan have been seen playing both sides in the last months.

Fabini has not sniffed the LT spot all summer.

 

[theogt]

Pettiti and McQuistan have been seen playing both sides in the last months.

Fabini has not sniffed the LT spot all summer.

Neither has played RT in the last couple weeks. You know...the time when Bill said he wants everything to shake out where its supposed to be. The time when it matters who is playing what.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

McQ and Petitti have had as much time at RT in the past couple weeks as Fabini has had at LT - zero.

they've still been practicing at both positions

 

[Screw The Hall]

McQ and Petitti have had as much time at RT in the past couple weeks as Fabini has had at LT - zero.

In Pettiti's case that's because he started 16 games there last year and was in the mix at RT early in traing camp also. So he knows what he has in Pettiti at RT. He had to see him at LT to make Pettiti's transition as the swing T complete.

When Fabini struggled early in TC I think Parcells made the decision to look for another alternative for the swing T, having his doubts about Fabini's capability to handle it. With Pettiti taking over that role out of necessity that left Fabini fighting Colombo for the starting RT spot in order to make the team.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I've seen Parcells and other coaches say lots of things that mean very little when it comes to winning football games.

yeah, they've said something so strong as that

and when does a backup OT mean alot to winning football games?

 

[theogt]

they've still been practicing at both positions

I'd like to hear your source in the closed practices.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Neither has played RT in the last couple weeks. You know...the time when Bill said he wants everything to shake out where its supposed to be. The time when it matters who is playing what.

yet you're asking if Fabini is supposed to be the swing OT, and the reason you want him on the club in case an injury to Flo...but he hasn't been playing or even practicing at LT!