If Columbo is our starting RT who do you keep in reserve at tackle?

[theogt]

Theo- please give up on the "McQuistan to the PS" stuff. It ain't happening. McQuistan is on this team period.

When you get a chance, could you please send your crystal ball over for me to check it out? I'd love to see one that reads so clearly.

 

[theogt]

He may be... now. But honestly he hasn't exactly set himself apart from the other tackles. That being the case, leads me to want to give the younger guys (with more upside) the first shots at a roster spot.

Which is when Bill wants to win. Also, it's very hard to compare him to the LTs, but he has been about neck and neck with Colombo.

 

[AmishCowboy]

I Think all 4 make the team.

 

[DLCassidy]

When you get a chance, could you please send your crystal ball over for me to check it out? I'd love to see one that reads so clearly.

Here's my crystal ball: listen to the words coming directly out of the head coaches mouth almost every day about McQuistan. Watch as he has him playing backup behind Flo at LT. I don't think Pat will be dressing for games this year because he's green, but BP loves this guy. And he knows with the shortage of OL talent in the league the odds of slipping a guy he's been talking up through waivers are slim and none and slim just left town.

Now on the other point of debate, Fabini vs. Petitti, my crystal ball is considerably fuzzier because of BP's actions and lack of words. The actions are Petitti has gotten no action at RT in the last 2 games and is playing against scrubs at LT. On the other hand Fabini has gotten no work at all at LT and even though he had a good game against NO he's had an uneven camp. Plus he's older and coming off an injury. Petitti has played solid at LT both weeks even if it's against 2nd teamers. It's a hard one to call because you need to trust a guy to play both RT and LT. Right now I'd give the jump ball to Fabini although I don't have a strong feeling about it. But the McQuistan situation isn't a hard call IMO.

 

[theogt]

Here's my crystal ball: listen to the words coming directly out of the head coaches mouth almost every day about McQuistan. Watch as he has him playing backup behind Flo at LT. I don't think Pat will be dressing for games this year because he's green, but BP loves this guy. And he knows with the shortage of OL talent in the league the odds of slipping a guy he's been talking up through waivers are slim and none and slim just left town.

Now on the other point of debate, Fabini vs. Petitti, my crystal ball is considerably fuzzier because of BP's actions and lack of words. The actions are Petitti has gotten no action at RT in the last 2 games and is playing against scrubs at LT. On the other hand Fabini has gotten no work at all at LT and even though he had a good game against NO he's had an uneven camp. Plus he's older and coming off an injury. Petitti has played solid at LT both weeks even if it's against 2nd teamers. It's a hard one to call because you need to trust a guy to play both RT and LT. Right now I'd give the jump ball to Fabini although I don't have a strong feeling about it. But the McQuistan situation isn't a hard call IMO.

Yeah, I've found the Petitti situation very hard to read. On the one hand you can say, "Bill knows what he's got," but on the other he played horribly last year and despite bulking up hasn't looked much better this year. You could also say that Bill knows what he's got with Fabini at LT as well. Basically, my decision would come down to which is more likely to help us win THIS YEAR since at a minimum we're going to keep 2 young tackles on the roster.

 

[wileedog]

Here's my crystal ball: listen to the words coming directly out of the head coaches mouth almost every day about McQuistan.

You mean the same coach who said there was "no way" he would play McQ in a real game right now?

I don't think this is nearly as cut and dry as some think.

 

[FLcowboy]

Fabini >>>>>>>>> Murrell. Someone would pick up Fabini as a backup RT before they'd claim McQ off the PS.

Except, once McQ is waived, he would be picked up by another team. He would never make it to the Cowboy's practice squad.

 

[DLCassidy]

Yeah, I've found the Petitti situation very hard to read. On the one hand you can say, "Bill knows what he's got," but on the other he played horribly last year and despite bulking up hasn't looked much better this year. You could also say that Bill knows what he's got with Fabini at LT as well. Basically, my decision would come down to which is more likely to help us win THIS YEAR since at a minimum we're going to keep 2 young tackles on the roster.

I agree with this. But I'm not sure of the answer.

 

[DLCassidy]

You mean the same coach who said there was "no way" he would play McQ in a real game right now?

I don't think this is nearly as cut and dry as some think.

Yes it is.

 

[theogt]

Except, once McQ is waived, he would be picked up by another team. He would never make it to the Cowboy's practice squad.

I seriously doubt that he would get picked up by another team. No one is going to put him on their 53 man roster based purely on speculation that he could be good some day. He clearly isn't ready to play this year.

 

[Silverstar]

Barring injuries, it looks like Adams and Colombo will start at tackle this year. McQuistan and Pettiti should be backing them up. Fabini, simply can't beat out the younger Colombo and McQ and Pettiti haven't even reached their full potential yet.

Fabini is the odd man out.

 

[theogt]

Barring injuries, looks like Adams and Colombo will start at tackle this year, with McQuistan and Pettiti backing them up. Fabini, simply can't beat out the younger Colombo and McQ and Pettiti haven't even reached their full potential yet.

Fabini is the odd man out.

Then again you could say that Petitti isn't receiving any time at RT and is playing behind McQ at LT...he is the odd man out. Who knows. Experienced veteran goes a long way with Parcells.

 

[DLCassidy]

I seriously doubt that he would get picked up by another team. No one is going to put him on their 53 man roster based purely on speculation that he could be good some day. He clearly isn't ready to play this year.

But that's just it. Teams are desperate for OL talent. And they watch films of other teams games. Pat would get snapped up if cut. You need to protect your big guys on both sides of the ball first because those guys are the hardest to come by. And every team does keep players to develop. Pat is going to be a Cowboy- bank on it.

 

[theogt]

But that's just it. Teams are desperate for OL talent. And they watch films of other teams games. Pat would get snapped up if cut. You need to protect your big guys on both sides of the ball first because those guys are the hardest to come by. And every team does keep players to develop. Pat is going to be a Cowboy- bank on it.

Did you watch the New Orleans game? I haven't seen play at left tackle that bad since....last year!

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Experienced veteran goes a long way
with Parcells.

Yes, it does. How many times did he actually, or threaten to, pull Jumbo Elliot out of retirement?

But this time, I suspect Jason is odd man out. Bill is going to field the players he thinks are going to best get the job done, yes, but with swing tackle he can now afford to carry a younger player with upside...and that is imo, what he will prefer doing.

The major rap on Bill here has been his inabiity to develop good young linemen...he whiffed with Young's injury, failed to extract more from Walter, Vollers, Lehr...mismanged Dre somewhat by moving him to guard, had to sit thru a year of injury to Al...and on top of it all, the Rogers and Peterman fiasco.

A year or so ago Tuna mentioned that of everything he watched former disciple Belichick do in NE, nothing impressed him more than the young line Mumbles had put together...the versatility, the mix of high and low draft picks, of vets and youth, the ability to lose a guy to injury and plug in an effective replacement, the ability to lose a guy like Damian Woody to free agency and not lose a beat...

Bill wants a viable oline BAD, we know that, but whatever 'security' will be lost by losing Fabini, imo will be made up for by the continued development of Petitti. It's not like Jason is fit to start any longer...has he impressed as much as Colombo over the summer? Rob represents too much of an investment already, in the area where Bill has most obviously fallen short.

I will be very surprised, if it comes down to Jason or Rob, if the decision goes to Fabini.

 

[wileedog]

It's not like Jason is fit to start any longer...has he impressed as much as Colombo over the summer?

Fabini is an older guy coming off a major injury. He's gone from being miserable at the minicamps, to just bad at the start of camp, and has improved steadily to solid if unspectacular games against NO and SF. Looks to me like a guy rounding back into football shape.

I'm not predicting anything one way or another, but I just don't see a player who Bill just said a week ago he wouln't put into a regular game as a lock for the 53, or that enticing for someone else to do so.

FOr the record I hope McQ has improved enough and just from a youth standpoint I hope he does beat out Fabini. BUt I also want to win this year, and it would be horrible if FLo went down again and McQ put in another Tucker-like performance. Fabini represents far less of a risk of that IMO. We'll see how it shakes out.

 

[theogt]

What are the cut dates?

 

[junk]

Tackle is going to be interesting. I thought Fabini and Colombo have both looked decent in the last couple of weeks. (and I think this play where Fabini "whiffed" was a blown assignment. Not sure if it was Fabini or the back, but Fabini didn't even try to block anyone. He looked like he thought his responsibility was the inside guy).

I think Petitti is probably out of the running for the starting RT position.

I doubt the team takes 5 tackles, so somebody is going to be cut. Might be whoever doesn't start.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

. We'll see how it shakes out.

Yes, and Bill may have to do what he hates doing..overload on offensive linemen when he'd prefer to carry a passel of linebackers or tight ends standing around looking beautiful.

Jason's situation may be as you say..that he is just now getting into game shape...that was a terrible injury he had last year..and that he does provide the best safety net on a team that MAY be SB worthy and this may also be Bill's last year coaching...he has to weigh a lot of risks against a lot of possible bennies. To have it all go down again to another Flo injury..uh-uh!

Certainly he seems to be more nervous/angry than usual over not knowing who he can get rid of (the kicker thing is obviously getting on his nerves), and the cuts this year are going to HURT.

But I think that the investment in Petitti is major for Bill, from the first time he saw the tubby kid at the combine right thru the dieting, trial by fire last year, this year's conditioning program. A Parcells Guy thing - in spades.

I'll be stunned if Rob goes...Bill may keep both around, but I doubt he will be happy if he feels he has to do so...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I disagree. To take him off our PS they have to put him on their final 53. THat's a big chance for a 7th round pick who nobody knew anything at all about a few months ago other than he has a twin brother who is better, and who you haven't seen play all camp.

And although he was solid last night, he had some big hiccups against NO.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he goes to the PS and stays there.

he'll have to pass through waivers, that means 31 teams have a shot at him, I doubt noone takes a look, the word is out about his potential...