If the Cowboys don't go heavy in FA, why not re-sign Dak?

[thunderpimp91]

Depends on if you have a super bowl type team. If you don't, it's foolish.

No issue with that take at all. That's the frustrating part to me about this offseason. Either the front office feels the core of this team is capable of making a super bowl run, in which they should be looking at ways to open up cap space and add talent.....Or they don't think this core is good enough and should be selling off assets now that wont be around long term before their value drops.

To me that's the true sin the Cowboys are committing here. They seem to be trying to go two different directions, but wont commit to either one.

 

[zerofill]

It blows me away to hear another man say what another man should get on his paycheck. I mean...think about this...if someone who has not had step foot in any man's role, shoes, or has his skillset to say what he should be making....is somewhat disturbing. Let another man determine what you should be making and it's a different ballgame. Stay out of that man's pockets.

CAP people get irritated by 1 player takes a massive chunk of it. He better be able to make up for the 3 other players you can't sign. Dak ain't that guy...

 

[conner01]

To me it’s more about a plan. If you are keeping Dak then why not just get it done. If you are moving on then we should have been stockpiling picks in the last draft by moving on from 3rd year guys you weren’t gonna keep and add picks to use next year on a QB. I get the argument to move on but moving on requires replacing and we’ve not taken any steps to get in position to replace

 

[Chasing6]

I'm just going by what you said, which was correct. If he's a 40M cap hit next year, a 4 year 55M a year contract would be 65M a year. But that's only if he plays out this season at a 55M cap hit.

They can adjust or prorate it however the they like and still have a $40M cap hit at the end of his new contract.

 

[Dorsett33]

We do it all the time but it only seems to be an issue when we are talking about pro athletes for some reason. This November my local ballot is likely to have both a minimum wage and local school levy on the ballot. We will literally be voting on if people get fired or raises. People complain all the time about C and director level individuals making up proportionate money all the time.

I don’t understand at all the issue of fans having an opinion on what athletes are paid, especially in a salary cap league. These are decisions that can make or break the future of the franchise that those same fans are spending money to support.

I get what you're saying. And an opinion is something EVERYONE has. But......think about if someone is publicly vocal about what should go in your pockets. You wouldn't like it. I know I wouldn't. Especially the people who don't have a clue on how to do your job. The stress,. The time you put in. The risk. I guess I'm from a group that you don't talk about a man's money. And don't get me wrong....I think all pro athletes are grossly overpaid especially when it's compared to education and teachers. Those that are making that kind of money, athlete or CEOs, would not be in that position had it not be from the education they received. But, you still don't talk what a man should be making. To me...that's not my place....my opinion. I wouldn't want it happening to me.

 

[Dorsett33]

I'll give another opinion: I'd never hire you to do anything. Wouldn't even let you work for free! There, I made another opinion about what I felt another human should make! So "disturbing!"

Good choice! I wouldn't work for you either. Whew! WE AGREED on something

 

[Dorsett33]

CAP people get irritated by 1 player takes a massive chunk of it. He better be able to make up for the 3 other players you can't sign. Dak ain't that guy...

So then you're upset with almost every team that has a player taking that kind of money. Hell....some teams have a few players taking that kind of money. If it reeeallly bothers you, then get a group to stop supporting the NFL. Get companies to stop buying commercials for games. Better yet...get tv networks to stop paying the money they are paying the NFL. What's CAP is, thinking they can't sign other players if they signed Dak to 55 mil, 60 mil or 65 mil. They can still get who they want. There's always a loop hole. Quit choosing what you want to believe from the Joneses.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I get what you're saying. And an opinion is something EVERYONE has. But......think about if someone is publicly vocal about what should go in your pockets. You wouldn't like it. I know I wouldn't. Especially the people who don't have a clue on how to do your job. The stress,. The time you put in. The risk. I guess I'm from a group that you don't talk about a man's money. And don't get me wrong....I think all pro athletes are grossly overpaid especially when it's compared to education and teachers. Those that are making that kind of money, athlete or CEOs, would not be in that position had it not be from the education they received. But, you still don't talk what a man should be making. To me...that's not my place....my opinion. I wouldn't want it happening to me.

In that light I somewhat agree. I certainly wouldn't want someone talking about my money, but I do think that is what you agree to by playing professional sports. I also wouldn't be too happy if random people were critical of my job performance while watching from afar, but that's a huge part of the fan experience.

Its taking the bad along with the good parts of being a pro athlete....especially in the NFL where the cap matters. I will say that I wish the league would overhaul the cap situation so there was more of a soft cap so that fans didn't rip players quite as much for cashing in. Of course that aint happening though.

 

[Bagman]

I AM on the Dak Bandwagon and extending him at 60 mil a year will still allow us to get the top FA players needed.

I mean, if we don't extend him, who's gonna replace him?

Give the man his bag and let's go get those blue chip FAs!

Yeah, lets give away 53 bags of money for our entire roster and STILL never win anything.

 

[HonoluluCowboy]

I AM on the Dak Bandwagon and extending him at 60 mil a year will still allow us to get the top FA players needed.

I mean, if we don't extend him, who's gonna replace him?

Give the man his bag and let's go get those blue chip FAs!

LMAO !!
Math much ???

Yeah lets over pay Dak so he can buy more Luis Vutton purses while we
Shake in Fear about the thought replacing the Worst playoff QB in history .

Then somehow by giving Dak his "bag" have money to sign top FA's ??

lmao !!!

DakDavidian math FTL !

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Goff was traded from the Super Bowl team, what does that tell you? Solely blaming 1 position for the failure of the team is super short sighted. Why did Goff not reach the super bowl last season? That was a huge choke job in San Fran by him but yet he's getting a pass and not Solely receiving criticism like Dak would've, even from our own fans.

If you are suggesting dak is the only one receiving criticism, that is absolutely false.

 

[Steve007]

I AM on the Dak Bandwagon and extending him at 60 mil a year will still allow us to get the top FA players needed.

I mean, if we don't extend him, who's gonna replace him?

Give the man his bag and let's go get those blue chip FAs!

Give the man his bag? What FA? Why do you think paying Dak a fat contract would make any difference?
As the question "who is going to replace him?" I don't know, but if you never try you will never succeed. The 49ers got Jimmy Garoppolo and he took them to the Superbow. They didn't win it so they drafted Trey Lance. They didn't think Lance was the guy. They got lucky and got Purdy with the last pick. Went to another Superbowl. The Cowboys have been comfortable with keeping Dak even though he chokes in the playoffs.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

LMAO !!
Math much ???

Yeah lets over pay Dak so he can buy more Luis Vutton purses while we
Shake in Fear about the thought replacing the Worst playoff QB in history .

Then somehow by giving Dak his "bag" have money to sign top FA's ??

lmao !!!

DakDavidian math FTL !

The whole "what will we do without Dak" is mind boggling. Some suggest we'll be hindered for..."20 years".

Who knows for sure, right? But if you don't have a "next man up" mentality, all is lost. I believe we have one, maybe. At least a candidate.

This could be from injury, retirement, trade, cap spaced. Any number of things. But to think "we might not do any better so we MUST keep Mr. X or ELSE!" is hong kong phooey.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Give the man his bag? What FA? Why do you think paying Dak a fat contract would make any difference?
As the question "who is going to replace him?" I don't know, but if you never try you will never succeed. The 49ers got Jimmy Garoppolo and he took them to the Superbow. They didn't win it so they drafted Trey Lance. They didn't think Lance was the guy. They got lucky and got Purdy with the last pick. Went to another Superbowl. The Cowboys have been comfortable with keeping Dak even though he chokes in the playoffs.

You beat me to it my good sir.

 

[CowboyFanInLexKy]

Honestly probably not. Not saying Goff is some savior, but they received 6 draft picks coming back to Detroit in that deal, none of them lower than a 3rd rounder. I think Detroit had the right idea in moving Stafford, and had the best buy low candidate they could have gotten in Goff. I also think it's a mistake to pay him now though. That team is a legit contender because of the depth of that roster, not because of the QB. IMO Jared Goff is a perfect example of how we overrate QBs in the modern era. Moving on from a QB helped them get to the next level, and Jared Goff has shown that he's pretty good when surrounded by talent at every position group, but pretty flawed when he doesn't have a great supporting cast.

This also describes Dak... The problem is Dak's supporting cast isn't relly that great either... Thus the deer in the headlights look every time you turn around... I think Dak and Goff are very comparable...

 

[thunderpimp91]

This also describes Dak... The problem is Dak's supporting cast isn't relly that great either... Thus the deer in the headlights look every time you turn around... I think Dak and Goff are very comparable...

I would agree, and I don't say that as an insult to either player either. I think this is true of most QBs around the league. I think the bigger issue is that the league continues to pay these guys 20-25% of the cap AAV. My guess is that we are going to start to see that shift and teams move off of more QBs who wont take less than top money at the position. We are seeing teams get burnt by these major QB acquisitions, meanwhile teams with good rosters are still getting to the playoffs with the Baker Mayfields, Jared Goffs, and Geno Smiths that other teams gave up on.

 

[Tussinman]

Are the Lions not contenders if they kept Stafford?

Most likely no because they wouldn't have gotten the picks plus Stafford has been banged up the last 2 years (I don't blame him, he's 36).

 

[KingintheNorth]

They would not.

Stephen is awful at contracts. Like comically bad.

Dak is the latest scapegoat and bogeyman.

They had Dak on a 4-year rookie deal and did nothing.

It's Jerry's team, so it's his fault for allowing it, but Stephen is criminally inept. They only want coaches who will tolerate their meddling so the culture is doomed.

 

[Chasing6]

No issue with that take at all. That's the frustrating part to me about this offseason. Either the front office feels the core of this team is capable of making a super bowl run, in which they should be looking at ways to open up cap space and add talent.....Or they don't think this core is good enough and should be selling off assets now that wont be around long term before their value drops.

To me that's the true sin the Cowboys are committing here. They seem to be trying to go two different directions, but wont commit to either one.

Seems like Jerry wants to go one way and Stephen another and they are playing chicken with each other.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Seems like Jerry wants to go one way and Stephen another and they are playing chicken with each other.

I hope they end up running into each other and someone with common sense has to take charge of the organization.