If the Cowboys don't go heavy in FA, why not re-sign Dak?

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The reason we dont get those FAs is not because we are not there without a qb. The reason is our ideologly: we dont build thru FA we build with the draft.

24 will be a transition year for us. We will have a look and see who is worth to keep and who not. It is a good time for that kind of season because your biggest asset, the most expensive one, QB, will not be under contract next year. And most of your "coming of age" players like CD, micah and so on dont have a 2nd contract: You are not commited to the future yet.

So its the best time to have a look and see year. You are able to veriy easily clean house and make new longterm commitements afterwards.
and there is the risk. miss in one draft and you fall behind. 2023 is a great example as none of the draftees contributed and the top 3 look questionable at best.

if 24 ends up similar, then two bad years in a row and we are doomed.
 

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CAP people get irritated by 1 player takes a massive chunk of it. He better be able to make up for the 3 other players you can't sign. Dak ain't that guy...
you don't understand cap much...do you?

and if not Dak, then tell me who can do what you said. and what do we have to do to get him.
 

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The Jones are so paranoid about the salary cap and future big contracts of the big 3 of Dak, Parsons and Lamb, that they are willing to
sacrifice the '24 season. You see teams like Ravens, and Detroit making the big splash in off season manuvers trades, FA coaching staff, because of their front office.

Ravens added a serious piece for a one year rental in elite RB Derrick Henry who will add a dimension to greatly help Lamar in better contending for the SB title, ..while we sit it out and hope we get lucky and try the Money Ball sneak approach.
This is the underlying issue. No plan, just fudging year on year.
 

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They will pay the $55M this year.

They can do a 5 year deal at $300M and $220M guaranteed, $100M sign on Bonus. On year 5 he is cut, traded or extended.

2025 - $40M current cap hit. $5M Salary, $10M sign on for a total of $55M. Added cap $15M

2026 - $20M salary, $30M bonus = $50M
2027 - $25M salary, $30M bonus = $55M
2028 - $30M salary, $30M bonus = $60M
2029 - $40M Dead cap hit - cut or traded = $40M

Remaining $80M never gets paid out in 2029, it is not guarantee. Basically Plays 4 years, paid out over 5, at an average of $55M or $220M guarantee. Would still owe the current $40M in Dead cap space in 2029.
The issue with those figures is they're possibly closer to what Jerry would offer than it is Dak's request. Id hazard a guess that Dak want's 3 years, to allow him to hit FA again and he wants to retain the NTC, as he fears Jerry may trade him to a backwater franchise where he wont get the attention to maximize his earnings on the next contract.
 

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To answer why we haven’t resigned Dak it’s probably as our owner said he’s “ waiting on the leaves to fall” . Which means he didn’t want to set the market price first.

He’s waiting to see where all or most of these other Franchise QB’s like Goff, Lawrence and Tua would resign which would provide a better baseline for negotiations with Dak.

And since whether we paid him him 53, 55 or a little more it wasn’t going to create enough cap space to bring in a major FA move. So no real incentive to get a deal done earlier .

Plus with how our season ended in playoffs our owner is playing public perception by not wanting to pull the trigger too quickly but I suspect he will before the season begins or right after the new market price is set. Goff didn’t set it, Lawrence probably will.
Jerry is likely tired of Dak.

Very little ROI for all the $$$ spent on Dak.

Then there is the cap problem. Won’t be fixed until 2026.

Also, Dak made Jerry Man-Cry in front of millions. At home. In the stadium Jerry built. People were leaving after half time.

Ever make your boss cry? 8)

Then Jerry finds Lance….

It’s easy to follow this out.
 

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and there is the risk. miss in one draft and you fall behind. 2023 is a great example as none of the draftees contributed and the top 3 look questionable at best.

if 24 ends up similar, then two bad years in a row and we are doomed.
Thats of course a problem. And we didnt have bad drafts only in 2023. Look at the last 5 years. Those are not good.

It shows that we are at best medicore at drafting. Not how we are advertising us as very good.
 

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They will pay the $55M this year.

They can do a 5 year deal at $300M and $220M guaranteed, $100M sign on Bonus. On year 5 he is cut, traded or extended.

2025 - $40M current cap hit. $5M Salary, $10M sign on for a total of $55M. Added cap $15M

2026 - $20M salary, $30M bonus = $50M
2027 - $25M salary, $30M bonus = $55M
2028 - $30M salary, $30M bonus = $60M
2029 - $40M Dead cap hit - cut or traded = $40M

Remaining $80M never gets paid out in 2029, it is not guarantee. Basically Plays 4 years, paid out over 5, at an average of $55M or $220M guarantee. Would still owe the current $40M in Dead cap space in 2029.
I appreciate the work. But those cap hits aren't good. No quarterbacks go to super bowls taking up 15-20% of the cap. Patrick Mahomes is the only one to do it at 17%.
 

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everyone has to pay at some point, either in a big lump sum salary at the end or dead cap. previous three years cap hit was 17,19, 23.

even the eagles will get there with Hurts 260M contract. they pay little now, but towards the end of the contract, either hand out a new one, more money, push it to the future or take a big hit. Denver did it with Wilson and took a 80M hit.

last year we had 10-15M on the cap and didn't sign anyone. the year before we had 20M on the cap and didn't sign anyone.

its not the cowboys way. we like our guys!@!
The Cowboys have kept pushing Dak's money so he would be a reasonable cap hit. We still haven't done much in the playoffs. All that is over now. We're not winning when his cap hits are much larger.
 

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I appreciate the work. But those cap hits aren't good. No quarterbacks go to super bowls taking up 15-20% of the cap. Patrick Mahomes is the only one to do it at 17%.
Not have a QB is not good.
 

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The issue with those figures is they're possibly closer to what Jerry would offer than it is Dak's request. Id hazard a guess that Dak want's 3 years, to allow him to hit FA again and he wants to retain the NTC, as he fears Jerry may trade him to a backwater franchise where he wont get the attention to maximize his earnings on the next contract.
This issue is Dak would have accepted them 3 months ago. Our GM is an idiot.
 

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Would this team go out and get the top DT, RB or LB on the free agent market if we had a QB on a rookie deal or even between 20-30 mil a year? Probably not.

I'm not on the Dak bandwagon, but the best bet is probably extending Dak and shoring up the run offense AND defense.
Not signing Dak and not taking on FA to help the team is just dumb. If they are going to do that, they might as well trade Micah and Lamb for draft picks and start over.
 

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Jerry is likely tired of Dak.

Very little ROI for all the $$$ spent on Dak.

Then there is the cap problem. Won’t be fixed until 2026.

Also, Dak made Jerry Man-Cry in front of millions. At home. In the stadium Jerry built. People were leaving after half time.

Ever make your boss cry? 8)

Then Jerry finds Lance….

It’s easy to follow this out.
We’ll see but money is on Jethro caving in.
 

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I don’t disagree of his worth but that’s probably not the reality of the situation especially in current NFL climate on market prices for QB’s.

Unfortunately if we believe he’s worth 50- 53 like or close to Goff then 55 + which is probably what he’s pursuing shouldn’t make that much difference in the overall scheme. It becomes more of a talking point than anything else.

And I’d argue Goff has had better teams around him in those deeper playoff runs while Prescott continues to not have his best performances on the bigger stages. But Goff no doubt has performed better in those circumstances. But we must also remember he was traded cause he couldn't get over the bigger hump in LA for a QB on lesser team they thought could. And they were right. Just saying.

Is Dak enough to continue forward trying to surround and get over the hump. Tough call but not sure what our better alternatives are at this point. Unless we want to basically start over in 2025. We know we have a playoff caliber QB. Can he improve in playoffs taking the next step and can we build a better team.

I don’t have those answers. And I don’t believe we have that championship caliber team less a greater QB. Would a greater QB help, of course. I’d probably argue to stay the course . Especially with our ownership, I have little faith we’d find the next playoff caliber QB right off the bat. I don’t see any Elite QB’s available.

I’d recommend resigning Dak to as short a term as possible and draft our heir apparent . And begin grooming him to take over in the coming years.
Good post.
 

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Would this team go out and get the top DT, RB or LB on the free agent market if we had a QB on a rookie deal or even between 20-30 mil a year? Probably not.

I'm not on the Dak bandwagon, but the best bet is probably extending Dak and shoring up the run offense AND defense.
They don’t want Dak though.

If they wanted him he would’ve already been extended.

Jordan Love put a firm expiration date on Dak’s career in Dallas.
 
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