I'm getting crucified over Phillips...

[dcfanatic]

Too bad you never bothered to address the point I made at all... but what the heck, I'll play your little game of deflection...



Oh, I don't hold any position... then again, EVERY claim I've made has been based on quotes from the parties directly involved... example-- the claim that Norv ultimately lost the job because he made some "demands" on Jerry regarding the role Jason Garrett would have... the ONLY place the haters read this was in the speculation of mediots, and they have NO documentation from a credible source (i.e., no quotes from any of the involved parties)...

So, immediately after Phillips is chosen over Turner, the haters read where mediots A, B and C all report that Norv lost out because of the demands he supposedly placed on Jerry vis a vis Garrett... and they jump all OVER these RUMORS, immediately accepting them as facts...

But within hours, mediots D, E and F are saying that Norv made no such demands after all, and at least one of those mediots (Randy Galloway) flatly says he believes those rumors about Norv's demands were a deliberate campaign of misinformation started by somebody inside Valley Ranch...

So now, we have mediots A, B and C saying one thing, mediots D, E and F saying the polar opposite... if that was all I had, I could still dispute the opinions of the haters, but it's not all I have-- I have a trump card, that beats the weak hand the haters are holding here...

My trump card is Norv Turner himself... when asked about these alleged demands, he has flatly said he didn't make them...

Game, set, match... I have the words of somebody who was THERE, the other side, all they have are a bunch of mediots who weren't there... unless, of course, you'd have us believe that Norv is just a big ol' liar, but of course, there wouldn't be much point to him lying about this, would there??



Uhhhh, unless you have evidence that Norv was lying when he said he made no such demands, then yeah, I DO have the ability to stand up and say he never made such demands... you see, NORV SAID SO, his own self...

LOL. Tennis anyone?

I am sure Norv is going to come and say 'Well, I told Jerry that these were my demands and that's why I wasn't hired..'

Come on now. You sound very naive and seem to think everything said by any member of an NFL franchise is always the actual truth.

Like I said. If you weren't in the room you have no idea of how the conversation went one way of another.

I think it would be in Norv's best interest not to be out in the public talking about how he was demanding anything of an NFL owner because it's very clear he is desperate for another shot to be a head coach.

 

[zrinkill]

LOL. Tennis anyone?

I am sure Norv is going to come and say 'Well, I told Jerry that these were my demands and that's why I wasn't hired..'

Come on now. You sound very naive and seem to think everything said by any member of an NFL franchise is always the actual truth.

Like I said. If you weren't in the room you have no idea of how the conversation went one way of another.

I think it would be in Norv's best interest not to be out in the public talking about how he was demanding anything of an NFL owner because it's very clear is desperate for another shot to be a head coach.

What is naive is to assume everyone is lieing so that it fits what you already believe ......

 

[dcfanatic]

What is naive is to assume everyone is lieing so that it fits what you already believe ......

If I assumed 'everyone' was lying then I would not have based my post around the idea that maybe some of the reporters knew of the demands. I would have just went with the idea that they were lying about Norv demanding things of Jerry.

 

[zrinkill]

If I assumed 'everyone' was lying then I would not have based my post around the idea that maybe some of the reporters knew of the demands. I would have just went with the idea that they were lying about Norv demanding things of Jerry.

So you only assume the ones telling the truth are the ones who agree with you're theory ......

Great detective work.

 

[dcfanatic]

So you only assume the ones telling the truth are the ones who agree with you're theory ......

Great detective work.

It's called being objective. I listen to it all and some of it I believe and some of it I don't. The idea that every thing the NFL reporters say is a lie and that every thing the NFL employees say is true would just be...

I guess the word is stupid.

 

[VA Cowboy]

So you only assume the ones telling the truth are the ones who agree with you're theory ......

Great detective work.

Exactly what you do

 

[zrinkill]

It's called being objective. I listen to it all and some of it I believe and some of it I don't. The idea that every thing the NFL reporters say is a lie and that every thing the NFL employees say is true would just be...

I guess the word is stupid.

Its not being objective to only believe that which falls in line with you're original opinion.

Norv said he made no demands on Jerry.

The reason Jerry went with Phillips is because Rivera was not gonna come be Norvs DC in my opinion.

Jerry thought that Wade + our Offensive coaches already on staff was better than Norv with no defensive guys ......

Its simple really if you take out the preconceived conspiracy theories .....

 

[Established1971]

Over on another board, I've been threatened with a "ban", been called every vile name in the book, and have been accused of being "on drugs" and being "from another planet" because of my opinion about the Phillips/Garrett hirings.
I'm a Cowboy for life. Got a helmet sized Star tattooed on my leg.

how can you have a helmet sized tattoo on your leg?

 

[zrinkill]

Exactly what you do

No ...... thats what you do.

I have said many times that Jerry made mistakes in hiring Switzer and telling him not to change anything .... In firing Gailey to soon (cause Aikman was not happy) .....and hiring Campo who was not suited to be a head coach.

You on the other hand only give Jerry credit in getting out of Jimmy's way ..... which is silly since together they where a great Duo ...... apart they both failed after a few years.

 

[Doomsday101]

Its not being objective to only believe that which falls in line with you're original opinion.

Norv said he made no demands on Jerry.

The reason Jerry went with Phillips is because Rivera was not gonna come be Norvs DC in my opinion.

Jerry thought that Wade + our Offensive coaches already on staff was better than Norv with no defensive guys ......

Its simple really if you take out the preconceived conspiracy theories .....

I agree with you. I think Jerry did not want to waste the time and money he spent on transforming the defense into a 3-4 instead of going back to the 4-3and Phillips allowed the team to continue down that path. Had Norv been hired along with Rivera chances are Dallas would be looking to go backwards to the 4-3 defense of Rivera. In the end Jerry made the choice he felt was the best.

 

[VA Cowboy]

No ...... thats what you do.

Wrong again.

And nice sig...it's cute

 

[zrinkill]

I agree with you. I think Jerry did not want to waste the time and money he spent on transforming the defense into a 3-4 instead of going back to the 4-3and Phillips allowed the team to continue down that path. Had Norv been hired along with Rivera chances are Dallas would be looking to go backwards to the 4-3 defense of Rivera. In the end Jerry made the choice he felt was the best.

No No .... its some crackpoy conspiracy ....... really.

 

[zrinkill]

Wrong again.

And nice sig...it's cute

Thats exactly what you do ..... you have said it many times.

"I give jerry credit for allowing Jimmy to build a SuperBowl team"

 

[Doomsday101]

No No .... its some crackpoy conspiracy ....... really.

If the sports writer says it, it must be true. :laugh1: Jerry Jones is the GM and like any other GM he will be involved with what is taking place. I know some don't like that but that is the way it is. Myself I think Jerrry has learned from mistakes in the past and has made changes in the last few years of how things are done.

 

[zrinkill]

The biggest thing is Wade Phillips is NOT Dave Campo ..... Wade has been fired from jobs before because he would not give in to the Gm's demands .....

he is nobody's puppet.

 

[VA Cowboy]

Thats exactly what you do ..... you have said it many times.

"I give jerry credit for allowing Jimmy to build a SuperBowl team"

I do give Jerry credit for allowing Jimmy and the football men on staff at that the control and authority to do their jobs and build a Super Bowl team.

Jerry gets a lot of credit for that.

 

[VA Cowboy]

The biggest thing is Wade Phillips is NOT Dave Campo ..... Wade has been fired from jobs before because he would not give in to the Gm's demands .....

he is nobody's puppet.

He also hasn't had a HC position in over six years. No doubt he's willing to take the job under the parameters Jerry sets. I'm sure he doesn't want to be a puppet, but I'm also sure he'll do want he needs to in order to be back in Texas and be a HC.

 

[Doomsday101]

He also hasn't had a HC position in over six years. No doubt he's willing to take the job under the parameters Jerry sets. I'm sure he doesn't want to be a puppet, but I'm also sure he'll do want he needs to in order to be back in Texas and be a HC.

Stop the puppet BS, Phillips is the one contacting guys like Sherman and has talked with other members of HIS staff.

 

[zrinkill]

No doubt he's willing to take the job under the parameters Jerry sets.

You mean just like every other head coach with every other GM in the league?

Wade will be in control of all Football matters pertaining to the Dallas Cowboys ...... Jerry as GM will handle the day to day running of the organization .....

Why is that so hard to believe? Jerry is not only the owner and GM ...... he is a huge Cowboys fan ....

If I was the GM and Owner I would want to know everything that was going on .... I would love nothing more than being involved with everything ....

Its a fans dream come true.

 

[VA Cowboy]

Stop the puppet BS, Phillips is the one contacting guys like Sherman and has talked with other members of HIS staff.

All I know is Jerry has a large role in assembling this staff.

I think many others are aware of this too, but are in denial publically because they also fear where this may lead. Everyone wants to believe Jerry's changed. I think he has, from what he's done the last four years.