I'm getting crucified over Phillips...

[zrinkill]

All I know is Jerry has a large role in assembling this staff.

just like every other GM in the league when a coach is scrambling to fill his staff.

 

[VA Cowboy]

You mean just like every other head coach with every other GM in the league?

No, don't mean that at all.

Wade will be in control of all Football matters pertaining to the Dallas Cowboys ...... Jerry as GM will handle the day to day running of the organization .....

I do agree Wade will do the coaching and that Jerry is the GM. And his day to day role is increasing.

Why is that so hard to believe? Jerry is not only the owner and GM ...... he is a huge Cowboys fan ....

If I was the GM and Owner I would want to know everything that was going on .... I would love nothing more than being involved with everything ....

Its a fans dream come true.

There's many fans I wouldn't want running the team. Danny Snyder is a huge fan too. If that's the main criteria for being GM of the Cowboys then we're in trouble.

If I were GM and owner I'd want to know everything that was going on to. I'd also trust the HC I hired to hire his own staff. Why is that such a hard thing to understand?

 

[iceberg]

All I know is Jerry has a large role in assembling this staff.

I think many others are aware of this too, but are in denial publically because they also fear where this may lead. Everyone wants to believe Jerry's changed. I think he has, from what he's done the last four years.

you've also said it was bad of jerry to do that.
then you said it wasn't bad, just echos of his past.
then it was bad again and his words "ranghollow".

when we ask why it's so bad that jones did what EVERY OTHER OWNER DOES you say whatever it takes to paint jones bad and excuse 30+ Other owners for doing the very same thing.

you make stuff up to suit your hate and it gets old.

 

[zrinkill]

I'd also trust the HC I hired to hire his own staff. Why is that such a hard thing to understand?

So you think that GM's do not help there coaches assemble a staff this late in the game?

 

[Doomsday101]

All I know is Jerry has a large role in assembling this staff.

I think many others are aware of this too, but are in denial publically because they also fear where this may lead. Everyone wants to believe Jerry's changed. I think he has, from what he's done the last four years.

So Jerry hired Phillips son? He hired Sherman and is telling Phillips which other coaches to contract even though it is Phillips who knows and have coached with some of these guys in the past? Phillips said he talked with close friends about Dat and said he felt it was a no brainier to bring him in as part of the staff and with Dat being a former Cowboy player that fits into a mold of what Phillips is trying to put together. I do expect Jones to make suggestions but I think Phillips does have a say in who is on the staff.

 

[iceberg]

So Jerry hired Phillips son? He hired Sherman and is telling Phillips which other coaches to contract even though it is Phillips who knows and have coached with some of these guys in the past? Phillips said he talked with close friends about Dat and said he felt it was a no brainier to bring him in as part of the staff and with Dat being a former Cowboy player that fits into a mold of what Phillips is trying to put together. I do expect Jones to make suggestions but I think Phillips does have a say in who is on the staff.

YOU LIE!!! it's all jones! jones is telling him who to hire, interview, how to dress, shoes to wear.... can't you see it's the old jones all over again????

you may as well leave facts at the door when talking about this subject to VA - he does.

 

[VA Cowboy]

you've also said it was bad of jerry to do that.
then you said it wasn't bad, just echos of his past.
then it was bad again and his words "ranghollow".

I've said it was bad in the past. You might think the Gailey and Campo years were successful, but I don't.

when we ask why it's so bad that jones did what EVERY OTHER OWNER DOES you say whatever it takes to paint jones bad and excuse 30+ Other owners for doing the very same thing.

you make stuff up to suit your hate and it gets old.

I've said I don't know how this will turn out. And no, EVERY OTHER OWNER doesn't go around hiring the majority of the assistant coaches. So it looks like you're the only one making up stuff.

 

[dcfanatic]

Its not being objective to only believe that which falls in line with you're original opinion.

Norv said he made no demands on Jerry.

The reason Jerry went with Phillips is because Rivera was not gonna come be Norvs DC in my opinion.

Jerry thought that Wade + our Offensive coaches already on staff was better than Norv with no defensive guys ......

Its simple really if you take out the preconceived conspiracy theories .....

Am I really debating with someone who wrote this...

Its not being objective to only believe that which falls in line with you're original opinion.

What exactly was my original opinion anyway? Oh yeah, it was that the hesitation about saying that the new hires are going to have this team in the Super Bowl is a valid opinion.

But since you seem to have the inside scoop like your buddy Bear I guess I am wrong. I mean you two are the guys in the meetings and talking with Jerry, Norv, Coach Phillips and all the other big wigs at the Ranch, lol.

 

[VA Cowboy]

YOU LIE!!! it's all jones! jones is telling him who to hire, interview, how to dress, shoes to wear.... can't you see it's the old jones all over again????

you may as well leave facts at the door when talking about this subject to VA - he does.

I see the drama queen has arrived.

I'm fairly certain Jerry hasn't told Wade how to dress or what shoes to wear. You make up so much stuff it would be humorous if it weren't so sad.

And no, I don't know if it will totally be the same old jones all over again. All I do know is he is taking a huge role in assembling Wade's staff.

 

[VA Cowboy]

But since you seem to have the inside scoop like your buddy Bear I guess I am wrong. I mean you two are the guys in the meetings and talking with Jerry, Norv, Coach Phillips and all the other big wigs at the Ranch, lol.

These guys are a riot. I'm actually thinking of making a sig that says "Ignore zrin and bear".

 

[zrinkill]

And no, EVERY OTHER OWNER doesn't go around hiring the majority of the assistant coaches. So it looks like you're the only one making up stuff.

And you are making stuff up by saying that Jerry is hiring the Majority of the staff.

 

[iceberg]

I've said it was bad in the past. You might think the Gailey and Campo years were successful, but I don't.

I've said I don't know how this will turn out. And no, EVERY OTHER OWNER doesn't go around hiring the majority of the assistant coaches. So it looks like you're the only one making up stuff.

i never said campo and gailey were successful either. you're making crap up again and tossing it in to confuse the topic overall.

majority = > 50%.

garrett - hired.
bowels - retained NOT HIRED
sprano - retained NOT HIRED

hmmm...seems to be far from 50% much less greater than that.

and as we've said before, jones can and should retain staff. if you feel the staff should be obliterated and phillips should hire ALL ON HIS OWN...

i'll just ask again (because i know you can't answer it and you'll ignore it AGAIN)

name me one NFL team who fired the entire staff so a new coach coming in could re-hire everyone all on their own.

never been done but now anything less than that is jones meddling.

you can't take a common event and call it "uncommon" out of your own hatred. you've got to separate the two and you just can't do that.

 

[iceberg]

And you are making stuff up by saying that Jerry is hiring the Majority of the staff.

i nailed him on that part to.
he hired 1 person and retained 2.

very common in the NFL by *ALL* owners.

only for jones it's bad, terrible, shades of doom...

he see's what he wants to see. period.

and then makes up a "majority" of the story around it.

 

[VA Cowboy]

So Jerry hired Phillips son? He hired Sherman and is telling Phillips which other coaches to contract even though it is Phillips who knows and have coached with some of these guys in the past? Phillips said he talked with close friends about Dat and said he felt it was a no brainier to bring him in as part of the staff and with Dat being a former Cowboy player that fits into a mold of what Phillips is trying to put together. I do expect Jones to make suggestions but I think Phillips does have a say in who is on the staff.

No, I'm sure Phillips son was Wade's call. Never said Jerry hired the entire staff. I also said in another thread that I don't know who inititated that Ray Sherman hire.

I just know Jerry has hired some of the assistants and retained a few others. I don't know why so many of you are apparently getting upset by this since you all seem to want Jerry to be real involved seeing how he is the GM.

 

[VA Cowboy]

And you are making stuff up by saying that Jerry is hiring the Majority of the staff.

Nope.

 

[zrinkill]

Am I really debating with someone who wrote this...

Its not being objective to only believe that which falls in line with you're original opinion.

What exactly was my original opinion anyway? Oh yeah, it was that the hesitation about saying that the new hires are going to have this team in the Super Bowl is a valid opinion.

But since you seem to have the inside scoop like your buddy Bear I guess I am wrong. I mean you two are the guys in the meetings and talking with Jerry, Norv, Coach Phillips and all the other big wigs at the Ranch, lol.

Way to swerve around the facts there buddy .... you're original opinion was that Norv was lieing about making demands and that Jerry Hired wade only because he would be his puppet.

Norv said he made no demands ...... you say this was a lie ....

prove it or admit that you are speculating because thats what you want to believe.

 

[dcfanatic]

Way to swerve around the facts there buddy .... you're original opinion was that Norv was lieing about making demands and that Jerry Hired wade only because he would be his puppet.

Norv said he made no demands ...... you say this was a lie ....

prove it or admit that you are speculating because thats what you want to believe.

When did I say Jerry hired Wade to be a puppet? You're confusing me with another poster. Again, were you in the all the meetings with Jerry and Norv? No, so you have no idea what was talked about and you never will.

Some people just hear things and believe it's the truth because they like the guy. That's called being naive and you are in the that club bro.

 

[Doomsday101]

No, I'm sure Phillips son was Wade's call. Never said Jerry hired the entire staff. I also said in another thread that I don't know who inititated that Ray Sherman hire.

I just know Jerry has hired some of the assistants and retained a few others. I don't know why so many of you are apparently getting upset by this since you all seem to want Jerry to be real involved seeing how he is the GM.

He hired Garrett and has retained 2 coaches and we don't even know for sure if the coaches that have been retained will remain on the team or if they will get replaced. I do know Phillips is the one talking with the media about these new coaches and he is the one talking with them. In the past we did not hear from the coach (Campo or Gailey) Jones would answer all questions and took responsibility for the hires. Jones is not doing that this time around so yes I think Jerry has learned from his past mistakes but I'm under no illusions that Jerry will not be involved at all after all he is the GM of this team.

 

[iceberg]

Nope.

yes. you are. (making crap up)

majority is greater than 50% of the hires.

now prove he's done that.

you can't, so please ignore me again cause you know you're dead wrong.

 

[VA Cowboy]

i never said campo and gailey were successful either. you're making crap up again and tossing it in to confuse the topic overall.

There's a difference in saying "you might think" they're successful and saying that you do think.

Try to keep up. I know you are so intent on throwing out the ridiculous claim that things are being made up, but slow down and actually comprehend what you're reading first.

majority = > 50%.

garrett - hired.
bowels - retained NOT HIRED
sprano - retained NOT HIRED

hmmm...seems to be far from 50% much less greater than that.

Semantics.

Dat, Garrett, Bowles, Sparano are all Jerry's decisions. Garrett's brother is being brought in for an interview. Jerry hired Garrett, but I'm sure everyone will try having us believe that Wade is really the one interested in Garrett's brother. right.

and as we've said before, jones can and should retain staff. if you feel the staff should be obliterated and phillips should hire ALL ON HIS OWN...

All I'm saying is Jerry is having a large role in assembling this staff. Why is that such a big problem for you?

i'll just ask again (because i know you can't answer it and you'll ignore it AGAIN)

name me one NFL team who fired the entire staff so a new coach coming in could re-hire everyone all on their own.

never been done but now anything less than that is jones meddling.

you can't take a common event and call it "uncommon" out of your own hatred. you've got to separate the two and you just can't do that.

Why is it hatred to point out Jerry is hiring assistant coaches. How is that construed as hatred?

Is he or isn't he hiring and/or making decisions on who is going to be on the staff?

I'm sure it all boils down to the fact that deep down inside you are afraid the old Jerry is coming back and you feel compelled to attack anyone who points out Jerrys increased involvement.