I'm sure this is not what Quincy Carter had in mind 8 years ago

[tyke1doe]

First you explain to me why he was viewed as a good QB, because for the life of me I never saw it. No mediocre player was ever defended like he was that I have ever seen.

I never said he was good. I asked why the scorn.

Second, I think he was average to good. I say that based on Carter taking the Cowboys to the playoffs. That team had little talent. Yet a simple game plan, a strong defense (not great by any stretch of the imagination) and a quarterback who managed the offense given to him took that team to a 10-6 record.

Even if he did it just one year, I think that merits at least a certain amount of respect.

 

[tyke1doe]

Would that be the great Tony Dixon...Woodson's supposed heir apparent back then?!

That's him. Thanks.

 

[Yeagermeister]

I never said he was good. I asked why the scorn.

Second, I think he was average to good. I say that based on Carter taking the Cowboys to the playoffs. That team had little talent. Yet a simple game plan, a strong defense (not great by any stretch of the imagination) and a quarterback who managed the offense given to him took that team to a 10-6 record.

Even if he did it just one year, I think that merits at least a certain amount of respect.

If he hadn't thrown 21 ints that record could have been better. Way too many Quincy punts that season.

 

[Hostile]

Working, and burned out on the Cowboys. I did not know if I was even going to be able to hang in there this year.

But the TO release has just renewed my faith.

Man, when it was announced I almost started speaking in tongues.:laugh1:

I can't say all is right in the Cowboy world, but at least it looks as if better days may be ahead.

Well, that beats jail.

:laugh2:

 

[Hostile]

Oh my bad, Romo did? Romo only had an equal year in terms of play off accomplishments, but never surpassed, as I said.

So Romo should be embarrassed to share that arena with a no body, who had no talent around him.

Romo with all the talent, should've at least been to the NFC championship.

Q had a better coach and Defense.

There is literally not a football coach who hasn't had a lobotomy who would take Quincy Carter over Tony Romo.

 

[Hostile]

I never said he was good. I asked why the scorn.

Second, I think he was average to good. I say that based on Carter taking the Cowboys to the playoffs. That team had little talent. Yet a simple game plan, a strong defense (not great by any stretch of the imagination) and a quarterback who managed the offense given to him took that team to a 10-6 record.

Even if he did it just one year, I think that merits at least a certain amount of respect.

Why the scorn for Brad Johnson?

Could it possibly be that when someone just isn't good enough they are going to get scorned? I mean, is it possible that the answer is just that simple?

Here's a test for you. Vigorously defend Brad Johnson and see if the scorn level for him doesn't go up.

The shock and awe over scorn for Quincy Carter is completely fake. It always has been. Every other player can be questioned. He can't be. He was the most untouchable player I have ever seen. Pick on Quincy and to this day people lose their ever loving minds. It was the most amazing cult of personality I have ever witnessed. You would think a God was denigrated.

Average to good? I don't agree. I think he was below average to average.

 

[DallasFanSince86]

Just so I can get this right. Are you suggesting you'd rather have Quincy?

This is what I mean about this player. Still there are people defending him as if he were anything but a druggie who played on a team that could score so few points other teams didn't bring their A game.

When you look on a carton of Milk Duds, they have removed the Dud and substituted Quincy's face.

Now where are those Randall Williams and Darren Hambrick contingencies?

http://i250.***BLOCKED***/albums/gg251/MerrillM42/Milk_duds1.jpg

 

[Clove]

Q had a better coach and Defense.

There is literally not a football coach who hasn't had a lobotomy who would take Quincy Carter over Tony Romo.

Romo had the same coach. Same result. End result is what matters.

 

[Hostile]

Romo had the same coach. Same result. End result is what matters.

That same head coach was "burned out" according to him, not fresh like he was in 2003. Nice try, but no soap.

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

Now to inject some truth into the thread....1st off, Carter couldnt carry Romo's jockstrap, thats why Q is where he is and Romo is where he is. Second,.....this MYTH that if only it werent for the drugs poor Q coulda been somebody is just THAT....A MYTH. The second Vinny was brought in Q was a dead duck, just like half his passes...LOL Vinny wasnt getting cut, he was a BP guy and they had JUST signed him. Henson wasnt getting cut, they just traded draft picks for him. Now its down to Romo and Q........Bp was raving about Romo, Ron Wolf who BP brought in to help evaluate the team was raving about Romo, Sean Payton was raving about Romo. Meanwhile there was Q and his normal daffy duck self. Q was cut.....for obvious reasons. End of story.

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

We made the playoffs in THE YEAR OF THE Q for reasons other than Q. VERY easy schedule. To top it all off it seemed like every time we ran into a team that was halfway decent they would be missing a couple of their top players.
The defense wasnt half bad either, and Q DID have weapons to throw to.............Galloway, Glenn, Bryant. NOT bad. BP milked us through that season like a real field general, controlled the clock, special teams, BP way more than Q is why we made the playoffs. To start the season, BP had Q only reading HALF of the field, its the only thing the dimwitted Q could do. This is the reason for his modest success throwing the rock in the 1st 8 games. After that the book was out, other teams D's knew he was only reading half the field and he WAS DONE. Q on the same level as Romo?.....You gotta be kiddin me.!

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

I go back to an article I read in Romo's 1st training camp. THAT article was one of the reasons I KNEW Q was getting cut soon. Gosh I wish someone could find that article. Anyway....in the article Romo was being interviewed, the writer asked Romo right out if he was worried about getting cut because The Cowboys had the incumbant Q, Vinny, and Henson.....I couldnt believe what I was reading.....Romo pretty much laughed right at the writer!..REALLY. Romo was like....Umm, no, im not worried about getting cut AT ALL! Romo made it sound like the writer was GOOFY for even thinking he could get cut. Sure enuff, about a week or so later........Q WAS GONE!....I remember the day Q was cut quite well,....THAT was a GREAT day in Cowboys history.! Now roll out that picture of Q being kicked otta camp in his pajama's! That pic NEVER gets old!.....

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

By typing this very post I am exceeding the recommend yearly amount of time wasted on typing about Quincy Carter.

 

[Mash]

I really enjoyed watching Carter play QB here for the Cowboys.

and IMHO it was alot easier seeing him lined up behind center then the likes of Brad Johnson....Henson....etc.

I believed that Carter could of been a solid backup QB in this league.......he messed up alot and its proven that he didnt have the mental makeup to be a professional player. Talent wise I still believe he had it to play in this league.

Carter wasnt exactly put in a great position to succeed. Sure he had a great coach but the talent he had to work with on offense wasnt great when he was here and he was also asked to learn a different scheme each year he was here.....also Carter was put in the fire from the get go....but.... Bill Parcells loved him ....which to me meant Carter did have something to offer.

Carter just messed up plain and simple.

 

[Apollo Creed]

First you explain to me why he was viewed as a good QB, because for the life of me I never saw it. No mediocre player was ever defended like he was that I have ever seen.

I used to post on a very old-school, white background, strictly text Cowboys forum back in high school during the QC era. I have never seen one player polarize a board as much as he did. I think its a beautiful twist of fate that less than 1% of us defended our future franchise QB that was on our roster the whole time in Romo. I'm curious to see who, if anyone was calling for Tony back then. Henson, Hutch, QC, Vinny Intercepti - we were just arguing over the best turd.

He had the physical tools to be a solid QB in this league, especially on the backup level. Even right now he is better than most bottom of the barrell backups - but he was easily the dumbest person I have ever met. I'm not kidding, I was amazed he was able to sign autographs - he was that incompetent. Or he was just that high, I think it was a little of both. Sad part, we were at a fellowship of Christian athletes seminar - and he was noticably high. Total tool.

 

[Hostile]

I used to post on a very old-school, white background, strictly text Cowboys forum back in high school during the QC era. I have never seen one player polarize a board as much as he did.

People in those days would join a forum and their first post was almost always their take on Quincy. It was like Alcoholics Anonymous.

Hi I'm Mike and I'm a Quincy fan.

Hi Mike.

 

[Apollo Creed]

People in those days would join a forum and their first post was almost always their take on Quincy. It was like Alcoholics Anonymous.

Hi I'm Mike and I'm a Quincy fan.

Hi Mike.

Then it got political, then racial, and then your user name - in that particular order.

Would've hated to be an admin during those frustrating seasons.

 

[tyke1doe]

Why the scorn for Brad Johnson?

Because Brad Johnson was past his prime and couldn't deliver with an offense full of studs. When did Quincy ever have that?

Could it possibly be that when someone just isn't good enough they are going to get scorned? I mean, is it possible that the answer is just that simple?

But that's relative to where they are picked in the draft and the talent around them.

I can see if Quincy Carter was the No. 1 pick. But he was picked in the second round. Too high? Yes. But still, he took a severely undertalented team to the playoffs.

Here's a test for you. Vigorously defend Brad Johnson and see if the scorn level for him doesn't go up.

Depends on where in Johnson's career we're looking at. As the leader of the Super Bowl Tampa Bay Buccaneers? No scorn.

As the backup who had to win more than one game for us to have a chance at the playoffs? Scorn level - high.

But beyond the 10-6 season, were the expectations for Carter as high as the expections for Brad, given the talent the two had to work with?

Uh, no.

The shock and awe over scorn for Quincy Carter is completely fake. It always has been.

So now you're a mind reader? LOL!

Every other player can be questioned. He can't be. He was the most untouchable player I have ever seen. Pick on Quincy and to this day people lose their ever loving minds. It was the most amazing cult of personality I have ever witnessed.

I never said Quincy Carter couldn't be questioned.
I merely asked why the scorn.

Average to good? I don't agree. I think he was below average to average.

I'll settle on average. But he didn't have much to work with and, truthfully, who knows how much he would have improved if he didn't have the weed problem.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

This picture always makes me smile if for no other reason then not understanding the look on his face right after he was cut. You'd think he'd have more than a look of...well, whatever that look is supposed to convey.

That somehow managed a 10-6 record and a playoff appearance.

Impressive defense that season, without a doubt. Quincy had his moments but the defense was the story of that season.

It's amazing that the great Romo has done no more as far as the team goes, than the hated Quincy Carter. Well done Romo, Garrett and Jerry the clown.

This would have a whole lot more validity to it if you weren't another one of those people who doesn't seem to understand that this is a team game. Romo's failures are a team failure. They're a far more talented team, without question, that none of the players seems to play up to their potential.

I love how you give Quincy this pass cause his team wasn't as talented, yet had the best defense in the league during his best year. It should have been much easier for Q to win during that season cause he didn't have to score nearly as much to win games. If he could have just consistently played average, or slightly above average, he could have had at least a Trent Dilfer type of career here (The Trent Dilfer that was in Tampa, not the one who road the Ravens D to a title).

Call him what you want. He's done as much as Romo's done, with far less talent, being a drug head and all, I'd be embarrassed if I were Romo.

Just being you should be embarrassment enough.

 

[DIAF]

Ol Quincy had a good toolset. Good arm, good wheels, but no head and probably some psychological issues as well. The weed stuff I think isn't his real problem. The real issue is whatever is going on in his head. Weed doesnt destroy lives.