I'm sure this is not what Quincy Carter had in mind 8 years ago

[Yeagermeister]

Ol Quincy had a good toolset. Good arm, good wheels, but no head and probably some psychological issues as well. The weed stuff I think isn't his real problem. The real issue is whatever is going on in his head. Weed doesnt destroy lives.

He also had that cool pass where he'd bring the ball up to pass but it would slip out of his hand.

 

[Hostile]

Then it got political, then racial, and then your user name - in that particular order.

Would've hated to be an admin during those frustrating seasons.

Trust me, I did.

 

[Hostile]

Because Brad Johnson was past his prime and couldn't deliver with an offense full of studs. When did Quincy ever have that?

It wouldn't have mattered what he had. They didn't limit him to one side of the field because of the weapons he had.

But that's relative to where they are picked in the draft and the talent around them.

Not for me it isn't. I don't think the guy was nearly as talented as some people still claim. Never did.

I can see if Quincy Carter was the No. 1 pick. But he was picked in the second round. Too high? Yes. But still, he took a severely undertalented team to the playoffs.

I believe Bill Parcells took that team to the playoffs, not Quincy Carter. 17 TDs and 21 INTs is not "taking a team" anywhere. I don't care who the QB is. That just isn't good enough. I have never looked it up but I'd be shocked if a QB with those 2 stats ever took a team anywhere.

Depends on where in Johnson's career we're looking at. As the leader of the Super Bowl Tampa Bay Buccaneers? No scorn.

As the backup who had to win more than one game for us to have a chance at the playoffs? Scorn level - high.

You can ignore the point all you want. Players who do not play great get scorned. Quincy did not play great.

But beyond the 10-6 season, were the expectations for Carter as high as the expections for Brad, given the talent the two had to work with?

Uh, no.

So because expectations for him were not high he deserves to be free from scorn?

Uh no.

So now you're a mind reader? LOL!

What do you mean "now?" You haven't heard the masses call me Nostradumbarse? Can I tell you about Brandon Everage?

It isn't mind reading. It's common sense.

I never said Quincy Carter couldn't be questioned.
I merely asked why the scorn.

Now we're going to play semantics? Do you honestly think there isn't a link between questioning a guy's abilities and outright scorn for the same? You're too smart a guy to believe in something that naive.

Safety Roy Williams was a far better football player than Quincy Carter ever was. Where are your questions about the scorn for him?

Quincy Carter could not stand in Terrell Owens shadow as far as talent and production. Where are your questions about the scorn for him?

That's what I mean about fake shock and awe. What is so hard to grasp about fans not liking someone who simply was not that good? It honestly is not hard at all. Yet we still hear from people who just can't grasp why he was so disliked. Let me clear it up once and for all.

Some of us never thought he was that good. Like all other players who under-perform he is subject to criticism. He is subject to scorn. he is subject to outright disdain and even hatred. Every other player is too. So he's not unique except for ONE thing. The fake shock and awe.

I'll settle on average. But he didn't have much to work with and, truthfully, who knows how much he would have improved if he didn't have the weed problem.

How much better could he have been if he were left handed?

How much better could he have been if he ate fish for every meal during the season?

How much better could he have been if he wore a different number?

How much better could he have been if he wore another pair of socks.

The idea that weed held him back that much just doesn't work for me and never has. You must think he smoked 20 to 24 joints a day and cooked hashish in all his meals.

I don't. I just don't think he was very good. I never did. I am never going to buy this supposed incredible upside he had. I try and be kind about my scorn for him for the most part because I know it upsets so many people who can't let go of the failed past. That is why I never shared the news that I received that he was going to be released unless he blew the doors off of the coaches in Camp. I would have been called every name in the book.

I already was called every name in the book without ever truly being rude about him. In fact in one thread where I said "I hope my daughters date nice young men like him" I got called a racist for not liking him. The exact same thread.

Forgive me for my sketpicism at the real nature of the shock and awe at the scorn for him. The fanaticism for this player was the most over the top adulation I have ever seen. It caused the scorn for him to be even greater. His fans caused more scorn than his play ever did.

 

[thechosen1n2]

First you explain to me why he was viewed as a good QB, because for the life of me I never saw it. No mediocre player was ever defended like he was that I have ever seen.

hostile it think he defended (from my point of view, and im talking field not lifesstyle) not that he is perfect by any means, but for unfair criticism. Was quincy great....NO, but he was highly criticized when he was not the total problem. He was thrown into the fire, without time to learn the position, He never had a great line, or running back. People were constantly calling for Chad, and Drew and he was better than both. Whether people want to say it or not, Quincy was not good enough to out weigh the pre-conceived notion of what the qb of the dallas cowboys should be, and therefore he was criticized more than he should have been.

 

[Hostile]

hostile it think he defended (from my point of view, and im talking field not lifesstyle) not that he is perfect by any means, but for unfair criticism. Was quincy great....NO, but he was highly criticized when he was not the total problem.

So are a huge number of players across the entire NFL. He isn't unique. He isn't a victim. He isn't a martyr.

He was thrown into the fire, without time to learn the position, He never had a great line, or running back.

Two of his linemen have been to multiple Pro Bowls. Emmitt Smith was a great RB.

People were constantly calling for Chad, and Drew and he was better than both.

People constantly call for the backups all over the NFL when the starter isn't very good. Big damned deal.

Whether people want to say it or not, Quincy was not good enough to out weigh the pre-conceived notion of what the qb of the dallas cowboys should be, and therefore he was criticized more than he should have been.

I do not buy that he was criticized more than he should have been. All QBs are criticized. In this very thread our current QB is being criticized and he is miles better than Quincy's fans ever dreamed of him being.

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

The problem began and ENDED with SOME of his fans. They made it known thru their posts that they were more a fan of Q then they were a fan of the team. Q could have stunk it up year after year and it wouldnt have mattered. THEY STILL would have wanted him as the starting QB of the Dallas Cowboys, no MATTER WHAT. Nobody can deny this. Some of These fans of his were beyond belief. They would except zero critisism of him and would highlight even the most modest positive. It got to be laughable quite frankly. This was the reason for all the backlash, not so much because of Q, he was just a helpless idiot, but because of his agenda driven fans. THAT right there is the truth of it, we ALL KNOW IT. No sense denying it.

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

This is the reason so many think back to the day Q was cut as a time of great rejoicing...LOL Not only did it put the team back on the right track, but it was a real blast watching the hordes of Q fluffers cry , snivel, and throw the biggest baby fits of all time for weeks on end. Funny stuff to sit back and watch!

 

[Bob Sacamano]

you remember Qtheman?

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

you remember Qtheman?

.............YUP!

 

[TellerMorrow34]

.............YUP!

Didn't I see that forum name on here earlier today?

 

[thechosen1n2]

The problem began and ENDED with SOME of his fans. They made it known thru their posts that they were more a fan of Q then they were a fan of the team. Q could have stunk it up year after year and it wouldnt have mattered. THEY STILL would have wanted him as the starting QB of the Dallas Cowboys, no MATTER WHAT. Nobody can deny this. Some of These fans of his were beyond belief. They would except zero critisism of him and would highlight even the most modest positive. It got to be laughable quite frankly. This was the reason for all the backlash, not so much because of Q, he was just a helpless idiot, but because of his agenda driven fans. THAT right there is the truth of it, we ALL KNOW IT. No sense denying it.

works both ways....some with there own agenda over criticized. calling for chutch which showed there hate came before the team as well. Was quincy great...by no means, but some of his criticism was beyond football, like how he talked.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

works both ways....some with there own agenda over criticized. calling for chutch which showed there hate came before the team as well. Was quincy great...by no means, but some of his criticism was beyond football, like how he talked.

Huh that love/hate thing seems to be happening again right now with the current QB of the Dallas Cowboys...just not to the same degree that the Q talks must have.

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

The most extreme of the Q supporters Hate the ground that Romo walks on. They see Romo as the reason Q isnt a member of the Cowboys anymore. Which besides the fact that Q wasnt very good, IS pretty much true. Romo did IN FACT take his spot. That was evident to mostwho werent living in denial. The HATERS!.....

 

[thechosen1n2]

So are a huge number of players across the entire NFL. He isn't unique. He isn't a victim. He isn't a martyr.

Two of his linemen have been to multiple Pro Bowls. Emmitt Smith was a great RB.

People constantly call for the backups all over the NFL when the starter isn't very good. Big damned deal.

I do not buy that he was criticized more than he should have been. All QBs are criticized. In this very thread our current QB is being criticized and he is miles better than Quincy's fans ever dreamed of him being.

larry allen and deuce deuce were on their downside, and HOS im not a quincy apologist (i had the same romo/quincy argument the other day; you know they accomplished the same thing argument, and finally i said "Look, Romos better, and you know it!") but the playoff year, Carter played pretty well the first six games of the season (i think they lead the team in passing) until defenses realized the troy hambrick wasnt gonna break anything again man front, and they dropped 8 in coverage. Quincy then started to struggle. Im just simply saying that Quincy was not as good as his fans made him out to be, and he wasnt as bad as those who hated him made him out to be.

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

works both ways....some with there own agenda over criticized. calling for chutch which showed there hate came before the team as well. Was quincy great...by no means, but some of his criticism was beyond football, like how he talked.

Except for one little thing. Bill Parcells and Jerry Jones agree with ME! Lets see , between them they have FIVE Super bowl trophies. Something tells me that I just may have sided with the folks who actually know what their talking about...

 

[thechosen1n2]

Huh that love/hate thing seems to be happening again right now with the current QB of the Dallas Cowboys...just not to the same degree that the Q talks must have.

People should not be calling for Romos head, but then again I didnt think people should be calling for TOs head.

Tho im viewed by some on this board as a a TO supporter, Romo bashers would say the same off me about Romo if his name kept coming up on the chopping block.

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

Having said all that.....Was Q AS BAD as some made him out to be? No, he wasnt. He did have his strong points. Although I did see him as someone who would top off at AVERAGE at the very best. My gripe was always with his most extreme fans and their laughably transparent agenda. I always had wayyyyyyyyy more animosity for them then I EVER had for Q.

 

[Hostile]

works both ways....some with there own agenda over criticized. calling for chutch which showed there hate came before the team as well. Was quincy great...by no means, but some of his criticism was beyond football, like how he talked.

Nonsense.

In 2004 (Q was not on the team) fans were calling for Drew Henson over Vinny Testaverde.

In 2005 (Q was not on the team) fans were looking forward to Drew Henson taking over for Drew Bledsoe.

In 2006 (Q was not on the team) fans were calling for Romo over Drew Bledsoe.

In 2007 (Q was not on the team) fans were upset that Matt Moore was not protected and that a potential good future QB was lost.

In 2007 (Q was not on the team) fans debated about whether we should have drafted Bradie Quinn. That debate continued in 2008 as the team struggled.

In 2009 (Q is not on the team) and fans are discussing who the Cowboys should Draft in case Romo doesn't turn it on the way we hope.

These things above do not show "hate" for any of the QBs since Q was waived. Why was it hate when he couldn't get the job done?

Like I said, nonsense.

 

[Hostile]

larry allen and deuce deuce were on their downside, and HOS im not a quincy apologist (i had the same romo/quincy argument the other day; you know they accomplished the same thing argument, and finally i said "Look, Romos better, and you know it!") but the playoff year, Carter played pretty well the first six games of the season (i think they lead the team in passing) until defenses realized the troy hambrick wasnt gonna break anything again man front, and they dropped 8 in coverage. Quincy then started to struggle. Im just simply saying that Quincy was not as good as his fans made him out to be, and he wasnt as bad as those who hated him made him out to be.

Quincy had both Andre Gurode and Flozell ADams as well as Larry Allen. Not sure how that equates to his line sucking.

Some fans always think a given player they dislike is worse than he really is. Big damned deal.

 

[thechosen1n2]

Except for one little thing. Bill Parcells and Jerry Jones agree with ME! Lets see , between them they have FIVE Super bowl trophies. Something tells me that I just may have sided with the folks who actually know what their talking about...

Bill did bring him in in Miami. If farve hadnt gone to NY and ol boy "mr weak arm" wasnt released by the Jets QCar would have been a dolphin. Bill liked quincy.

In all seriousness, Speaking to someone who knows and talks to Jerry regulary...the problem with quincy was that he was in his last year, the cowboys werent sure if he was ever gonna be what they wanted, but if he took them to back to back playoffs after years of no appearance, and they didnt pay him decently, the organization would have taken a huge PR hit.

Believe it or not, Bill liked quincy and didnt agree with the cutting. Too quincy was compensated for just letting it go and dropping the grievance, because the cowboys broke the rules of the labor agreement by what they did.