Informal Poll Is Garrett a better Head Coach than Wade?

[Doomsday101]

What would you say the difference in drafting is?

I would say finding guys who love to play the game as Belicheck talked about. You can measure a lot of things but the passion for the game is not one of them. I do think Garrett looks at those traits.

 

[xwalker]

That's an interesting question. From a personnel perspective, it's probably better now as opposed to then but depending on the cap situation, that might impact the situation. All things are not equal there. As far as bringing in talent, when Wade was here, people remember that 2009 draft and that's fair, it was a horrible draft but it was also a draft with no 1st or 2nd round picks in it. Wade was here from 2007 to 2010. Wade should also get credit for the players that were drafted in those drafts as well.

My comment was not based strictly on talent of the individual players but on the ability of those players to function as a team. Wade's teams had plenty of talent but never really lived up to it as a team.

The attitude of those teams definitely seemed to be one of entitlement.

MartyB thought he had it bad as a rookie on Hard Knocks getting yelled at by John Garrett. That pales in comparison to how he would have gotten his butt kicked by Jimmy or Parcells. Wade never seemed to discipline anyone.

 

[cowboyfan4life2]

People act like he is some franchise legend when he started 9 games in his career for Dallas. Aka the same amount of games Chad Hutchinson started.

He is a good guy, and he had a great moment against gb on thanksgiving, but he has been a mediocre hc, and wasn't even all that great of an oc.

 

[halcyon]

Not only better, but head and shoulders better imho.

 

[Gaede]

My comment was not based strictly on talent of the individual players but on the ability of those players to function as a team. Wade's teams had plenty of talent but never really lived up to it as a team.

The attitude of those teams definitely seemed to be one of entitlement.

MartyB thought he had it bad as a rookie on Hard Knocks getting yelled at by John Garrett. That pales in comparison to how he would have gotten his butt kicked by Jimmy or Parcells. Wade never seemed to discipline anyone.

Not sure why that matters when one team won a playoff game and the other can't even get in.

Seems to me, this sense of 'entitlement' is more of an imagined thing than oh, say, a playoff victory. And probably shouldn't be an attribute worth considering. It's a fan/media construction.

 

[cowboyfan4life2]

Not only better, but head and shoulders better imho.

Based on what?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

My comment was not based strictly on talent of the individual players but on the ability of those players to function as a team. Wade's teams had plenty of talent but never really lived up to it as a team.

The attitude of those teams definitely seemed to be one of entitlement.

MartyB thought he had it bad as a rookie on Hard Knocks getting yelled at by John Garrett. That pales in comparison to how he would have gotten his butt kicked by Jimmy or Parcells. Wade never seemed to discipline anyone.

OK, but that entitlement thing, was it based on Wade or was it based on the fact that everybody on the team new that it didn't matter what Wade said because Garrett was waiting in the wings? It's hard to command respect through authority if you don't have the power to bring the pain.

 

[xwalker]

Not sure why that matters when one team won a playoff game and the other can't even get in.

Seems to me, this sense of 'entitlement' is more of an imagined thing than oh, say, a playoff victory. And probably shouldn't be an attribute worth considering. It's a fan/media construction.

Jerry's speech to the players when he fired Wade, was (paraphrasing) "you guys are the reason that this man was fired, because you quit on him".

 

[CowboyStar88]

Is Garrett a better Head Coach than Wade?

without a doubt, but Wade is a better cordinator IMO

 

[Gaede]

Jerry's speech to the players when he fired Wade, was (paraphrasing) "you guys are the reason that this man was fired, because you quit on him".

But why does that reflect poorly on Wade?

If our 8-8 players don't reflect poorly on Garrett?

Garrett is so great at getting players, why can't these players get to the playoffs?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Jerry's speech to the players when he fired Wade, was (paraphrasing) "you guys are the reason that this man was fired, because you quit on him".

But that is like leaving the whiskey out of the liquor cabinet with your three boys and then getting up the next morning, only to find the whiskey gone. Yeah, you can tell them all that they are the reason the whiskey is gone but at the end of the day, the reason it's gone is because you didn't put the bottle away.

Is it their fault they drank it? Yeah, but if you leave that bottle out again, chances are your going to end up with an empty bottle again.

You gotta know that if you create the situation, chances are good that people are going to act accordingly, right or wrong.

 

[5Stars]

I think that the original question is not something that can be answered. The reason I say that is because of the dynamics of the teams that each coach had/has during their tenure.

Also, strength of schedule, roster turnover, injuries, assistant coaches, methodology, hell, even the bounce of the football.

So, IMO it cannot be qualified as to who is the better coach because we cannot compare coaches unless they have all the same variables to work with.

Again, I consider a team sport to be dynamic, not static, and many things have to go into account for there to be any reference of who the better coach is.

People say Wade took his teams to the playoffs and better records than Garrett's teams. Well, do we know if Garrett could have taken Wades team to the playoffs? No. Do we know if Wade could have taken Garret's teams to the playoffs? No, we cannot.

So, IMO, the original question is moot.

 

[xwalker]

But why does that reflect poorly on Wade?

If our 8-8 players don't reflect poorly on Garrett?

Garrett is so great at getting players, why can't these players get to the playoffs?

The number 1 job of the head coach (the non-coordinator part of HC) is keeping the players focused and playing hard.

Building the team is a slow process because Garrett is trying to do it without mortgaging the future by signing a Leonard Davis type player at OG for 50M.

 

[17yearsandcounting]

The number 1 job of the head coach (the non-coordinator part of HC) is keeping the players focused and playing hard.

Building the team is a slow process because Garrett is trying to do it without mortgaging the future by signing a Leonard Davis type player at OG for 50M.

I wouldnt call Garretts product any more focused than what Wade was putting on the field.

 

[cowboyfan4life2]

The number 1 job of the head coach (the non-coordinator part of HC) is keeping the players focused and playing hard.

Building the team is a slow process because Garrett is trying to do it without mortgaging the future by signing a Leonard Davis type player at OG for 50M.

The number one job of a coach is to win games, wade did that, jason hasn't.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Is Garrett a better Head Coach than Wade?

No, 2 division wins and a playoff game vs late season and game chokes including icing your own kicker.

 

[Gaede]

The number 1 job of the head coach (the non-coordinator part of HC) is keeping the players focused and playing hard.

Building the team is a slow process because Garrett is trying to do it without mortgaging the future by signing a Leonard Davis type player at OG for 50M.

No, the number one job is to win football games. That's the point of sport--to win. Not moral victories. Real wins.

 

[whynot]

Ed Reed on Wade:

" Wade [Phillips] is so laid back, you can’t really do anything but enjoy him."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/06/ed-reed-gets-closure-from-white-house-visit/

I don't think Wade has the required demeanor to be a HC. Ultimately that's what's brought him undone in the job each time.

Besides don't we give Parcells all the credit for Wade's early success?

 

[5Stars]

No, the number one job is to win football games. That's the point of the sport is to win. Not win moral victories.

And no coach can win unless they have the right players to execute their game plans. Also, a win is a win, moral or not.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The number 1 job of the head coach (the non-coordinator part of HC) is keeping the players focused and playing hard.

Building the team is a slow process because Garrett is trying to do it without mortgaging the future by signing a Leonard Davis type player at OG for 50M.

Number 1 is always winning.

As to the building of teams, Garrett has signed Romo to a 100 Million plus deal and has signed Spencer to two consecutive Franchise Tag deals. He's also signed Austin and he also signed Carr.

Now, having said all of this, I don't really think that Garrett should be saddled with all of this because at the end of the day, Jerry is the GM and he is responsible for signings. Of course, that also means that Wade is also not responsible for those things because it was still Jerry who was the GM while Wade was head coach.