Is Matt Jones available?

[LittleBoyBlue]

Yeah, he probably wouldn't actually 'double' Crayton's numbers but I think he would put up better ones and be a bigger threat on the field.

Jones gets a bad rap and some of it is deserved, but Jacksonville's coaching staff hasn't done him any favors either.

I think a great coach like Sherman could work wonders for him.

And I'm not interested in counting on Terry Glenn.

FWIW I would want either Boldin or Williams first but...

I could get into Witten plus:

• TO
• Matt Jones
• Crayton
• Hurd
• Stanback

 

[dbair1967]

Over Miles Austin?

Sam Hurd?

Please.

Jones has been a disappointment, but he's head and shoulders better than those guys.

And Crayton as well.

He would double Crayton's numbers opposite TO and Witten.

You want to count on Terry Glenn getting better, feel free.

Not me.

dude, you are reaching now...Crayton is eons better at WR than Jones is or ever will be, and Austin actually has a huge upside and works hard, niether of which applies to Jones

David

 

[dbair1967]

Yeah, he probably wouldn't actually 'double' Crayton's numbers but I think he would put up better ones and be a bigger threat on the field.

Jones gets a bad rap and some of it is deserved, but Jacksonville's coaching staff hasn't done him any favors either.

I think a great coach like Sherman could work wonders for him.

And I'm not interested in counting on Terry Glenn.

this Matt Jones love is just wrong dude

he sux so bad that they are trying to replace him with Troy Williamson

David

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

dude, you are reaching now...Crayton is eons better at WR than Jones is or ever will be, and Austin actually has a huge upside and works hard, niether of which applies to Jones

David

I guess I don't understand where this comes from. Crayton has caught 120 passes in 4 years in the league. Starting 13 games and playing in 15 last year, he caught 50 passes.

In 3 seasons in Jax, Jones has 101 catches with 5 games started in his entire career. Last year he only played in 12 due to injury and he was never healthy. Jones has put up superior numbers in each of his 1st two seasons in comparison to Crayton.

Crayton's career average for passes caught in games he's played are 2.4. Last year, it was 3.3 with 13 starts. Jones has 2.4 with significantly fewer starts. Lastly, Jones has never played with the Offensive talent that Crayton has. I guess I just don't see how the conclusion is drawn that Crayton is so much better then Jones. To me, statistically speaking, there is no basis to support that position.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Crayton started out as an undrafted free agent on a team with some good WRs and worked his way up over the years. Matt Jones was a first round draft pick who was practically handed a starting job on a team with no WR's and still somehow managed to work his way down.

Supposedly he doesn't even enjoy football. He'd rather hang out with his buddies and go to Phish concerts. He's also soft and refuses to go over the middle.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Crayton started out as an undrafted free agent on a team with some good WRs and worked his way up over the years. Matt Jones was a first round draft pick who was practically handed a starting job on a team with no WR's and still somehow managed to work his way down.

Supposedly he doesn't even enjoy football. He'd rather hang out with his buddies and go to Phish concerts.

This is not true. Jones has only started 5 games his entire career. That is not being handed the starting job. More to the point, Jax has drafted much better talent at WR then have we. To say that Jones had no compatition is just wrong. In fact, there has been a great deal of WR talent that has come through Jax in the last few years.

I understand that Jones was a 1st round pick and that Crayton was an UFA but that is here nor there. The question is, how do you come to the conclusion, statistically, that he is light years better then is Jones? There is no supporting information that has been presented, at least that I have seen, that supports that conclusion.

I don't know Jones. Nobody here does. It may be true that he doesn't want to play but I can't say that this is a fact as I don't know the guy. If anybody here does and is close enough to the situation, the OK. If you say that's how it is, that's fine. I'm just saying I don't know that to be a fact and I don't know anybody who is close enough to know that.

Remember, when Glenn was signed here, he had a reputation of not wanting to play ball as well. Lazy, not tough etc. KJ was the same. I can't say that either of those player turned out to be lazy or soft. Both played hard for us and both produced. I can't judge Jones on what everybody says because everybody has said things that were not accurate about other players that have come to Dallas in the past.

 

[Marktui]

Really dont want him. There must be a reason he is available....not any good!!

 

[DR.WARE]

matt jones is not good

 

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

If Jones truly has a crap football attitude , then no I wouldn't want him . I would think that Jerry Jones could get an inside scoop on his attitude from his days at Arkansas .

Jones and Crayton's #s are near identical . From 2005-2007 both have played in 42 games . From 2005-2007 both have scored 13 TDs . From 2005-2007 Crayton had 108 receptions to Jones 101 receptions . Looks like the major difference is that Jones is 6-6 , 232lbs. , fast , and doesn't like football . Crayton is 6-0 , 205lbs. , slow , and absolutely loves the game .

Personally I'll take the guy who loves football every time , but it would be interesting to see what Jones could do if somebody could harness some fire and energy from him .

 

[Stash]

dude, you are reaching now...Crayton is eons better at WR than Jones is or ever will be, and Austin actually has a huge upside and works hard, niether of which applies to Jones

David

I'm reaching?

Crayton is a number 3 receiver drafted in the 7th round. There's good reason for that. His skills are limited.

Austin can work as hard as he wants. The guy can't catch the football.

It wouldn't break my heart to see him replaced.

If you think either of those guys is as good as Jones, you're entitled to your opinion.

But I vehemently disagree with it.

 

[Stash]

this Matt Jones love is just wrong dude

he sux so bad that they are trying to replace him with Troy Williamson

David

They've replaced other guys too.

Take a look at the organization and not just Matt Jones.

He's not the only guy who the Jags drafted that hasn't met expectations.

Why is that?

Like Detroit, maybe some blame falls on the coaches and the organization?

 

[Established1971]

This guy wouldnt be a bad pickup for a 4th WR,he is tall as heck and decent hands when i saw him play.

we have
Owens
Crayton
Glenn
Hurd
Austin
Amendola

I really think Austin can excel at kick returning, so I wouldnt want him to go.
Glenn deserves one more shot. As much as we can use an upgrade at WR I think thats coming in 09 and this group is gonna what we battle with.

 

[Stash]

we have
Owens
Crayton
Glenn
Hurd
Austin
Amendola

I really think Austin can excel at kick returning, so I wouldnt want him to go.
Glenn deserves one more shot. As much as we can use an upgrade at WR I think thats coming in 09 and this group is gonna what we battle with.

Are you comfortable giving Glenn that 'one more shot' and being stuck in the same boat the team was last year?

I don't have a problem with using a roster spot on Terry Glenn.

I do have a problem with counting on him and not having a backup plan.

They did it with Pacman Jones' uncertainty, and I think they should do the same with Glenn's.

 

[juck]

we have
Owens
Crayton
Glenn
Hurd
Austin
Amendola

I really think Austin can excel at kick returning, so I wouldnt want him to go.
Glenn deserves one more shot. As much as we can use an upgrade at WR I think thats coming in 09 and this group is gonna what we battle with.

With the speed and experience we drafted at returning i highly doubt we will see Austin return again.I doubt he even makes the team

 

[dbair1967]

I guess I don't understand where this comes from. Crayton has caught 120 passes in 4 years in the league. Starting 13 games and playing in 15 last year, he caught 50 passes.

In 3 seasons in Jax, Jones has 101 catches with 5 games started in his entire career. Last year he only played in 12 due to injury and he was never healthy. Jones has put up superior numbers in each of his 1st two seasons in comparison to Crayton.

Crayton's career average for passes caught in games he's played are 2.4. Last year, it was 3.3 with 13 starts. Jones has 2.4 with significantly fewer starts. Lastly, Jones has never played with the Offensive talent that Crayton has. I guess I just don't see how the conclusion is drawn that Crayton is so much better then Jones. To me, statistically speaking, there is no basis to support that position.

do you see us trading for other teams garbage to replace him? No you dont

compare what Crayton did last to anything Jones has done, the story isnt evebn debatable. Crayton is clearly improving every yr in the league, Jones has not. He has been so poor that the jags are trying everything they can to replace him...he's hurt alot too, but even in games where he's healthy he sometimes hardly plays or makes no impact whatsoever

the guys a huge bust, period.

David

 

[dbair1967]

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Crayton's career average for passes caught in games he's played are 2.4. Last year, it was 3.3 with 13 starts. Jones has 2.4 with significantly fewer starts. Lastly, Jones has never played with the Offensive talent that Crayton has. I guess I just don't see how the conclusion is drawn that Crayton is so much better then Jones. To me, statistically speaking, there is no basis to support that position.

we already discussed this in another thread previously, and there was all kinds of basis for it..you just choose to ignore it

David

 

[dbair1967]

I'm reaching?

Crayton is a number 3 receiver drafted in the 7th round. There's good reason for that. His skills are limited.

Austin can work as hard as he wants. The guy can't catch the football.

It wouldn't break my heart to see him replaced.

If you think either of those guys is as good as Jones, you're entitled to your opinion.

But I vehemently disagree with it.

If Austin gets the same PT as Jones has got in his 3yrs, yeah he'll be more producitve

and the Crayton/Jones thing is laughable..if we put Crayton on the market today there'd be alot of teams make decent offers for him...nobody would want Jones and IMO, he's probably getting released at some point before the seasons starts

David

 

[cowboyed]

I can't speak for Jones laziness...however he is an extremely talented guy in only his third year of being a WR.

I would take a chance on him as long the investment was kept to a minimum.

I live in Jacksonville and Matt Jones is not lazy. He is a very laid back individual and not very aggressive. He is a talented athlete with blazing speed for his size and good hands. He was clocked in the 4.3s at one time.

The switch never goes on for some guys that enter the NFL. He would definitely be worth acquiring for a lower round pick. A change of scenery very well could do him some good.

 

[ArkCowboy]

normally i would stay out of this unwinnable debate, i have read so much matt jones bash and bias that if a post mentions him in the title, generally i won't even bother reading it. clearly i made an exception this time. the polarization of the comments entice me to present some middle ground.

as a big razorback fan i was a proponent of drafting jones, but not as high as he was selected. i watched every play he was ever a part of as a hog. i know alot of the things that have been said about his approach to the game since he was still a local high school elite prospect. there is NO doubt whatsoever that he takes the allen iverson approach to practice! he always has. but make no mistake, his roll out of bed and take the field demeaner should not be taken as a lack of competitive spirit! he is a gamer in the truest sense of the word! in some people his laid back demeaner would be considered as poise and unshakeable nerve, but his practice approach shines a different light on it.

in his time at jacksonville i have watched every game i can get and the problem there seems to me to be that the QBs never even look his way - NEVER! perhaps that is because he isn't productive in practice, i don't know any other way to explain it, but he is clearly not even a consideration unless the QBs reads progress beyond what the typical NFL play allows. add to that the fact that he is still learning the position and it is easy to call him a bust. that may not even be an unfair claim at this point.

i personally feel that he would be perfect playing with a QB like romo, but the question remains about his disposition beyond game time - would he be trusted at gametime despite less than spectacular practices? would he even be trusted by his QB enough to be worth a shot? i guess time will tell. i will say this, as many half@$$ WRs as this team has had in recent years, i would be willing to give him a try despite his AI practice attitude! i would be willing to say that in his time as a hog he made as many game changing plays as macfadden and felix combined, make no mistake about this guys big play/game changing ability!!

 

[Stash]

do you see us trading for other teams garbage to replace him? No you dont

compare what Crayton did last to anything Jones has done, the story isnt evebn debatable. Crayton is clearly improving every yr in the league, Jones has not. He has been so poor that the jags are trying everything they can to replace him...he's hurt alot too, but even in games where he's healthy he sometimes hardly plays or makes no impact

Compare the talent Crayton has taking away opposing defenses' attention.

That's not debatable either.

Crayton has had excellent coaching every year, Jones has not.

Jones has also not gotten much of an opportunity in Jacksonville - especially last year. He was firmly in Del Rio's ddoghouse.

The one game he did get the opportunity to play, he had 8catches for 138 and a TD.