Is there anybody who is missing Parcells as Our Head Coach Right now?

[dbair1967]

Classic Parcells.

Telling his team to be ready for a possible onside kick on the opening kickoff against the Eagles in his first season. We were ready, and ran the onside kick back for a TD. I knew then we were a different team.

Can you ever see that from this team?

you mean the Parcells who coached us to no playoff wins in 4 yrs? Like those yrs?

Parcells was good for the franchise as a whole...he changed alot of things that needed to be changed and the roster is much much more talented than anytime since the last super bowl win.

But he was the picture of mediocrity as a HC here. We wouldnt win crap with him as HC, he had 4 yrs and didnt get us any further than Wade or Chan Gailey did.

 

[DFWJC]

A little, but the results were almost identical.

 

[theebs]

you mean the Parcells who coached us to no playoff wins in 4 yrs? Like those yrs?

Parcells was good for the franchise as a whole...he changed alot of things that needed to be changed and the roster is much much more talented than anytime since the last super bowl win.

But he was the picture of mediocrity as a HC here. We wouldnt win crap with him as HC, he had 4 yrs and didnt get us any further than Wade or Chan Gailey did.

I wonder what this staff would do with a drug addict qb, or bledsoe, ryan pettiti, willie blade, derek ross, marcellus wiley.

The problem while parcells was here was that he could never get it right and by the time he did everyone was sick of him. It happens.

Had he walked into dallas with a developed ware, romo, barber, witten, newman, james and this offensive line, which by the way he assembled his results might have been different, I have to believe they would have been.

He forced gurode to stay at center after drafting a center and trying him at rg, he took the chance on columbo, he was part of the crew that signed off on kosier, he rode flozell adams and demanded he would be better.

No matter what anyone tells me, had he shown up to the talent he left, things would have been different.

and not only did he have to deal with poor talent he had to deal with a poor front office and a new staff he was not used to. It took him a couple of years to get that staff right, and he finally had it right in 06.

If we could have just beat seattle, who knows what would have happened. It might have been the ammo to keep him here and the guys willing to buy into him still after that bad december.

 

[cowboyjoe]

dont get me wrong, the cowboys and jerry jones needed him here; and parcells did a good job of building the cowboys, but his time is past

what this team needs is a task master like jimmy johnson that the players fear, and he makes the players work and practice and study film.

 

[dbair1967]

I wonder what this staff would do with a drug addict qb, or bledsoe, ryan pettiti, willie blade, derek ross, marcellus wiley.

The problem while parcells was here was that he could never get it right and by the time he did everyone was sick of him. It happens.

Had he walked into dallas with a developed ware, romo, barber, witten, newman, james and this offensive line, which by the way he assembled his results might have been different, I have to believe they would have been.

He forced gurode to stay at center after drafting a center and trying him at rg, he took the chance on columbo, he was part of the crew that signed off on kosier, he rode flozell adams and demanded he would be better.

No matter what anyone tells me, had he shown up to the talent he left, things would have been different.

I guess you can say that if you want, but I dont believe it.

He wasted a yr with Vinny at QB, then stuck with Bledsoe too long after it was apparent to just about everybody he was done. While he does get credit for bringing alot of the talent here, he made alot of dumb moves on draft day by doing the same thing Jones gotcrucified for over and over from 94-02 (ignoring the advice of the scouts)...he stuck with that boob Zimmer despite the fact he knew he wanted to be a 3-4 team all along. The teams he coached were undisciplined as well. The team never finished a season strong under him. ST were no better with him.

He's always been more of a media creation than a really good football coach IMO. Nobody is ever going to prove to me that he is a great coach, especially w/o Belichick.

 

[theebs]

I guess you can say that if you want, but I dont believe it.

He wasted a yr with Vinny at QB, then stuck with Bledsoe too long after it was apparent to just about everybody he was done. While he does get credit for bringing alot of the talent here, he made alot of dumb moves on draft day by doing the same thing Jones gotcrucified for over and over from 94-02 (ignoring the advice of the scouts)...he stuck with that boob Zimmer despite the fact he knew he wanted to be a 3-4 team all along. The teams he coached were undisciplined as well. The team never finished a season strong under him. ST were no better with him.

He's always been more of a media creation than a really good football coach IMO. Nobody is ever going to prove to me that he is a great coach, especially w/o Belichick.

he is not a great coach?

okay.

I like how he wasted a year with vinny when the guy was an addict and forced us to cut him.

and stayed with bledsoe for too long? Do you not remember 06, it was widely known that jerry was afraid to move to romo. That was why he played romo so much in the preseason in 06, where romo played very well.

Its fine if you dont like him, but to say he needs bb or that he is not a great coach is plain ridiculous.

 

[Hostile]

Don't forget thanking him for being better than Wade, Gailey and Switzer while you're at it.

I've already said this in this thread and don't feel the need to repeat it. Please keep up.

 

[28 Joker]

Yeah, I forgot about Jerry Jones wanting to stay with Bledsoe. Dallas should have started the season with Tony Romo for sure. After the Eagles game, he should have started him vs the Texans and got him ready for the Giants.

Get out of the way, Jerry. Listen to your son and your coaches.

 

[Hostile]

I don't expect you or anyone to genuflect to him. I don't think his time here was great. But I do know he turned around the mess Jerry created.

I wish he had done more. But that fact is he's the best coach we've had here since Jimmy left. I know that may not be saying much seeing the other rejects Jerry's brought through Valley Ranch, but it's still a fact.

As for having a yellow stripe up his back, I don't know. I think he was growing older. He lost his brother while he was in Dallas and that really seemed to have an affect on him. I don't doubt having to put up with Jerry's BS wasn't starting to take a toll as well.

I know he did better jobs at previous stops, when he was younger and when he had his full array of staff around him. But there's no denying he got us back in playoff contention after the consecutive 5-11 seasons Campo and Jerry had us mired in.

When Parcells left it's too bad Jerry didn't continue with what was working. That is hiring another strong HC and giving him full control over his staff and keeping the outside distractions at bay. But instead he immediately reverted to his old ways of hiring a soft HC, meddling in staff hires and bringing the circus back to town. The man just doesn't get it.

The bottom line for me about that yellow stripe is that despite being paid 5 million dollars per year, despite being only a combined 2 games over .500, and despite being offered a raise to 6 million dollars per year he told the pilots on the flight home from Seattle that he was done, he e-mailed his resignation to Jerry, and he did not address his team.

The yellow stripe was as wide as his man boob supporting back.

One hell of a great football mind, but a gutless move in my book.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

The bottom line for me about that yellow stripe is that despite being paid 5 million dollars per year, despite being only a combined 2 games over .500, and despite being offered a raise to 6 million dollars per year he told the pilots on the flight home from Seattle that he was done, he e-mailed his resignation to Jerry, and he did not address his team.

The yellow stripe was as wide as his man boob supporting back.

One hell of a great football mind, but a gutless move in my book.

And fed up with ole plastique face.
Is plastique a word? I dunna know.

That Jersy devil is smarter than Jones ever could be. And I hate the Devils by the way.

 

[theebs]

And fed up with ole plastique face.
Is plastique a word? I dunna know.

That Jersy devil is smarter than Jones ever could be. And I hate the Devils by the way.

I just delivered a Ken Daneyko right hook to your body.

waaaaapppp

 

[Clove]

We need a 40 year old Parcells.

 

[dbair1967]

he is not a great coach?

okay.

he wasnt here thats for sure...I think the media loved the guy, so he got a pass on alot of things...his teams werent in the super bowl or even championship games every yr like some wanted to imply...every time he went to a super bowl the next season for that team was a train wreck...then there's the crap about always looking for the next best gig, even while he was still under contract somewhere else...there was never a situation he wasnt interested in, and thats what he liked to be reported

I like how he wasted a year with vinny when the guy was an addict and forced us to cut him.

peope crucify Jason Garrett (who has no personnel authority at all) over this Brad Johnson b/s, well Bill handpicked Vinny to be here...nobody else wanted the guy, why not get someone else?

and stayed with bledsoe for too long? Do you not remember 06, it was widely known that jerry was afraid to move to romo. That was why he played romo so much in the preseason in 06, where romo played very well.

it was also pretty obvious Romo was ready, and Bledsoe pretty much stunk to start the season

Its fine if you dont like him, but to say he needs bb or that he is not a great coach is plain ridiculous.

how can you or anyone else argue otherwise? his record is what it is...its very obvious, when Belechick was with him he got good results, when he wasnt he didnt...Belechick moved on and won bigtime without Parcells...

I give him credit for alot of things here, but he did not do a good job as HC. He DEFINITELY wasnt worth what Jones paid him, he stole 18 million. 4 years...no playoff wins, basically a .500 record...thats not what 4-5mils a yr should yield

 

[Hoofbite]

I called for his head a few times but if you gave me the choice of Wade or Bill I'd take Bill in a heartbeat.

Bill didn't put up with crap.

We wouldn't have put up with the Pacman debacle for sure.

You can sit there and hate on Bill all you want but for anyone to say that Dallas wouldn't be better off right now is just ridiculous.

You give Wade Phillips Quincy or Vinny for a season and watch what kind of disaster unfolds. Bill definitely left too early. He didn't get the benefit of having a QB play at the level that Romo HAS. And you better bet your last dollar that Bill would be burning a hole in Tony's *** if he threw up some of those garbage INTs that he has been known to throw.

Bill turned this franchise around, like it or not. If he would have waited out another year, I have no doubt that Dallas would have at least a playoff win by now. Hell, if Tony wouldn't have ****ed up the way he did in Seattle, Dallas would have won a playoff game and people would be singing the praises of Bill as we speak.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I just delivered a Ken Daneyko right hook to your body.

waaaaapppp

Don't like the Devils but I sure wish the Rangers signed that boy. That was one tough ombre.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I called for his head a few times but if you gave me the choice of Wade or Bill I'd take Bill in a heartbeat.

Bill didn't put up with crap.

We wouldn't have put up with the Pacman debacle for sure.

You can sit there and hate on Bill all you want but for anyone to say that Dallas wouldn't be better off right now is just ridiculous.

You give Wade Phillips Quincy or Vinny for a season and watch what kind of disaster unfolds. Bill definitely left too early. He didn't get the benefit of having a QB play at the level that Romo HAS. And you better bet your last dollar that Bill would be burning a hole in Tony's *** if he threw up some of those garbage INTs that he has been known to throw.

Bill turned this franchise around, like it or not. If he would have waited out another year, I have no doubt that Dallas would have at least a playoff win by now. Hell, if Tony wouldn't have ****ed up the way he did in Seattle, Dallas would have won a playoff game and people would be signing the praises of Bill as we speak.

 

[theebs]

how can you or anyone else argue otherwise? his record is what it is...its very obvious, when Belechick was with him he got good results, when he wasnt he didnt...Belechick moved on and won bigtime without Parcells...

I can apply that same logic to Belichick with crennel and weiss. Accept it doesnt make any sense. If you have two great minds like you do in the Bill's you will get great results.

But parcells was an outstanding coach long before he coached with little bill.

and little bill learned a ton from big bill. Like darren woodson said, when he covered the pats for espn in 05 during the playoffs and he saw their practices and what they did, it was exactly what he did with parcells in 03.

Little bill owes alot to parcells and vice versa. Both of these men are of the quality of nfl person that they can assemble personnel and coach any area of the team. Not many in this league can do that.

Parcells is a tribute to the nfl. He is an extremely intelligent person and a great leader of men.

 

[justbob]

We need a 40 year old Parcells.

agreed --but we don't need the old man back

 

[Hostile]

Bill Parcells without Bill Belicheck is a very average football coach. Very average. So average that it is painful to admit kind of average.

How average? Glad you asked.

Here is some info from a thread where I argued with someone who made an erroneous claim that Belicheck is just as unsuccessful without Crennel and Weis. An utterly wrong assertion.

Little Bill came within 35 seconds of a feat Big Bill has never been close to. And he did it without Romeo and Weis.

In fact, Weis and Crennel both left after 2004.

2005...10-6, 1-1 in the Post Season
2006...12-4, 2-1 in the Post Season
2007...16-0, 2-1 in the Post Season
2008...11-5

49-15, .766 winning %, 5-3 in the post season. Without Crennel & Weis.


Belicheck left for the Browns in 1991 through 1995. He rejoined the Patriots & Parcells in 1996. Parcells did not coach in 1991 & 1992. So let's look at 1993 - 1995 for Parcells.

1993...5-11
1994...10-6, 0-1 in the Post Season
1995...6-10

1996 Little Bill is back and the Patriots make it to the Super Bowl. Hmmmmm.

Then Big Bill was out of coaching until 2003-2006 with us.

2003...10-6, 0-1 in the Post Season
2004...6-10
2005...9-7
2006...9-7, 0-1 in the Post Season

That means 55-57 overall and 0-3 in the post season.

Little Bill & his 3 Super Bowl rings (plus 2 as Parcells DC) > Big Bill & his 2 Supr Bowl rings

That's right, without Belicheck as his DC, Parcells is below .500 and has not won a post season game. Zero, zip, nada.

A-ver-age!

Here's a fun little rhetorical situation.

You own the Lions. You can hire Belichick or Parcells. Both want the job. Both are the same age. Both have their current resume'.

Who gets the job?



If you tell me the Big Tuna over the Hoodie I'm calling the guys in the white suits.

 

[CF74]

It took him to long to pull the trigger on Testaverde and Bleedslow so no.