Jaylon Smith will not be put on IR this season; Moore backup

Sydla

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It only becomes "big news" when Smith actually plays. Keeping folks hope up that he will play is only a ploy to sell tickets.

LOL.

Guess you are gonna double down on the silliness in this thread too?
 

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If Romo is out for a significant amount of time I kinda like having a awful QB like Moore or a Rookie who has never taken snaps under center like Prescott so we can lose and get the high pick.

Until Prescott/Zeke read-options every play to the championship.
 

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Geez... So negative and how do you know? You may not like what they have done but, they do. They (offensive coaches)
must like Moore and think he can do as well as anyone we trotted out there last year. I think we happen to have done
pretty well on our DL this year. This Rodney Coe fellow intrigues me. Broaddus had a great write-up on him.

It's not exactly rocket science. Let's start with the QB. Both Jerry and Stephen said in Feb and March that backup QB play last year was unacceptable and has to be fixed. You don't say that if the coaches believed Moore was the guy. I think they had some guys in mind, realized they were too pricey and are now trying to build up Moore as the guy. Again, if they were all so confident in Moore and liked him that much, there's no chance in hell both Jones' come out in the offseason talking about how bad the backup QB play was and how they have to address it this offseason.

And I think we've done well along the DL.............. at DT. Thornton was a great signing. I like Collins in the draft. But both those moves will likely have small, if that, effects on the biggest issue facing the defense at this time. Getting to the QB. Again, that's another area the Jones' were very clear about that needed upgrading this offseason. And right now our ability to rush the passer is based on Lawrence (who I like), Gregory (who is a total unknown), Irving (who is probably a better DT than DE), Mayowa (a guy that is a total project) and Tapper (who I actually like and was my favorite pick of the draft but he's still a rookie).

Those are just realistic looks at both situations, two situations the Jones' claimed were high priorities this offseason.
 

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Jerry just announced it on the Radio.

They will not IR him in hopes that he could play this year.





He also confirmed that Kellen Moore is the backup.....




Kinda disappointing since that was supposedly our top priority after the season.

It was only the top priority according to the media and fans. At no point did the Cowboys ever publicly state that finding a backup quarterback was the top priority or a priority at all this offseason. They routinely talk about just getting better, the process, BPA in the draft, etc.
 

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Linehan is calling Garrett's offense much like Callan when he was here. Linehan is just here to bring balance to the offense which Garrett never could figure out how to do.

I also don't think you can just tell defenses what you're going to do and follow all of the tendencies we lay out series after series game after game.


My 2 hopes for optimism is Romo and a Oline that can impose their will and eliminate a lot of the crap we work with in the passing game.

that is fair.

I think Callahan struggled calling plays here personally. I don't think that is a problem for linehan. I think Linehan is aggressive and will be able to incorporate the big plays on third downs from '14 with the mixing in of throwing the ball to the backs we saw early in '15. I really think Linehan is going to have an incredible year. Romo and linehan seem to really share a view on what they want to do.
 

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Just guessing but I suspect we will get a vet QB off the waiver wire or we will trade for one before the season starts. At this point I'd bring teacher back if Moore takes a dump in preseason.
 

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It was only the top priority according to the media and fans. At no point did the Cowboys ever publicly state that finding a backup quarterback was the top priority or a priority at all this offseason. They routinely talk about just getting better, the process, BPA in the draft, etc.

Actually I think they may have stated backup QB was a priority. ??Stephen and Dad.
 

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It's not exactly rocket science. Let's start with the QB. Both Jerry and Stephen said in Feb and March that backup QB play last year was unacceptable and has to be fixed. You don't say that if the coaches believed Moore was the guy. I think they had some guys in mind, realized they were too pricey and are now trying to build up Moore as the guy. Again, if they were all so confident in Moore and liked him that much, there's no chance in hell both Jones' come out in the offseason talking about how bad the backup QB play was and how they have to address it this offseason.

And I think we've done well along the DL.............. at DT. Thornton was a great signing. I like Collins in the draft. But both those moves will likely have small, if that, effects on the biggest issue facing the defense at this time. Getting to the QB. Again, that's another area the Jones' were very clear about that needed upgrading this offseason. And right now our ability to rush the passer is based on Lawrence (who I like), Gregory (who is a total unknown), Irving (who is probably a better DT than DE), Mayowa (a guy that is a total project) and Tapper (who I actually like and was my favorite pick of the draft but he's still a rookie).

Those are just realistic looks at both situations, two situations the Jones' claimed were high priorities this offseason.

Well things do change. The coaches must have made a good case before and during the draft to Jerry and Stephen that Moore
was going to do just fine as the backup to Tony. The coaches know more than Jerry does and I think he just spouts what they
tell him these days. Everything I've heard is that even if they had drafted Lynch, Moore would still be the backup QB... Our OC loves
him and I think wants to give him a fair shot at the position this year. Will Dak challenge him later in the season...That could
definitely happen.

To address the DL, we have added 2 guys in FA and 2 guys in the draft to our existing bevy of players. I like Irving at the LDE just fine
but, you are right he may be better inside. I think Collins is going to get lots of plays this year when he adjusts to the NFL speed and Tapper
could be a beast right out of the box. My guess (hope) is that Lawrence will get his suspension reduced to two games just like Scandrick did.
I think Mayowa and Tapper will hold the fort at RDE just fine for 4 games if need be.

Just remember than only two years ago we started the season with Mincey and a guy who was sitting on his couch during TC. Things may not
be perfect but, let's see what happens before jumping off the cliff.
 

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We have 5 months before we have to make a decision to put Smith on PUP. And then another 8 weeks after that. We are 7 months from decision point. What's the hurry for some declaration at this early stage?
 

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Well things do change. The coaches must have made a good case before and during the draft to Jerry and Stephen that Moore
was going to do just fine as the backup to Tony. The coaches know more than Jerry does and I think he just spouts what they
tell him these days. Everything I've heard is that even if they had drafted Lynch, Moore would still be the backup QB... Our OC loves
him and I think wants to give him a fair shot at the position this year. Will Dak challenge him later in the season...That could
definitely happen.

To address the DL, we have added 2 guys in FA and 2 guys in the draft to our existing bevy of players. I like Irving at the LDE just fine
but, you are right he may be better inside. I think Collins is going to get lots of plays this year when he adjusts to the NFL speed and Tapper
could be a beast right out of the box. My guess (hope) is that Lawrence will get his suspension reduced to two games just like Scandrick did.
I think Mayowa and Tapper will hold the fort at RDE just fine for 4 games if need be.

Just remember than only two years ago we started the season with Mincey and a guy who was sitting on his couch during TC. Things may not
be perfect but, let's see what happens before jumping off the cliff.

One, I think you overestimate the lobbying the coaches did. I think it's pretty clear the Cowboys sniffed around other options like Colt McCoy and possibly trading for a guy or two and the price was just too high. Now, after having scrambled and come up with nothing, they have to sell Moore as the guy. In the end, it probably doesn't matter anyway who plays the backup QB position in 2016. Without Romo, the team is likely cooked.

And two years ago our pass rush still wasn't that good. A big factor in that GB loss in the NFC Title game was the inability to even sniff Rodgers, especially in that second half when GB started to carve up the defense. I also think you are being overly optimistic. It would be impressive for a first round DE to be a beast right from the start. As the analysis has shown, DEs don't exactly start dominating right from the start. So to think Tapper is going to start wrecking stuff early in his career might be a huge reach. And I love the pick but do so from a long term perspective.
 

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JJones is just spliting hairs.....JSmith will open the season on the PUP like CGreen or the NFI list like Nzacho......even if went on the IR he could come back late in the season as the one return guy(they changed the rule so the player isn't designated to return, anyone on the IR can be the return guy)
 

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KMoore being the back-up is a big mistake and hopefully we can correct it by the season...Dak probably won't be ready this year but I still might choose him over KMoore if it is more than a game
 

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One, I think you overestimate the lobbying the coaches did. I think it's pretty clear the Cowboys sniffed around other options like Colt McCoy and possibly trading for a guy or two and the price was just too high. Now, after having scrambled and come up with nothing, they have to sell Moore as the guy. In the end, it probably doesn't matter anyway who plays the backup QB position in 2016. Without Romo, the team is likely cooked.

And two years ago our pass rush still wasn't that good. A big factor in that GB loss in the NFC Title game was the inability to even sniff Rodgers, especially in that second half when GB started to carve up the defense. I also think you are being overly optimistic. It would be impressive for a first round DE to be a beast right from the start. As the analysis has shown, DEs don't exactly start dominating right from the start. So to think Tapper is going to start wrecking stuff early in his career might be a huge reach. And I love the pick but do so from a long term perspective.

It's okay if we differ. I choose to be more optimistic and not worry so much. It's just football, not global warming
or world peace.
 

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It's okay if we differ. I choose to be more optimistic and not worry so much. It's just football, not global warming
or world peace.

I am not worrying. Don't confuse not blowing smoke up the ***** of the team as me worrying about anything. Just calling it like I see it.

The team has holes.
 

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It's not exactly rocket science. Let's start with the QB. Both Jerry and Stephen said in Feb and March that backup QB play last year was unacceptable and has to be fixed. You don't say that if the coaches believed Moore was the guy. I think they had some guys in mind, realized they were too pricey and are now trying to build up Moore as the guy. Again, if they were all so confident in Moore and liked him that much, there's no chance in hell both Jones' come out in the offseason talking about how bad the backup QB play was and how they have to address it this offseason.

And I think we've done well along the DL.............. at DT. Thornton was a great signing. I like Collins in the draft. But both those moves will likely have small, if that, effects on the biggest issue facing the defense at this time. Getting to the QB. Again, that's another area the Jones' were very clear about that needed upgrading this offseason. And right now our ability to rush the passer is based on Lawrence (who I like), Gregory (who is a total unknown), Irving (who is probably a better DT than DE), Mayowa (a guy that is a total project) and Tapper (who I actually like and was my favorite pick of the draft but he's still a rookie).

Those are just realistic looks at both situations, two situations the Jones' claimed were high priorities this offseason.

Good post, I just disagree on Irving though, I think he fits better at DE and Marinelli made a comment the other they are going to try him there. I just see Ed Jones all over again there.
 

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It only becomes "big news" when Smith actually plays. Keeping folks hope up that he will play is only a ploy to sell tickets.

I don't think the ticket idea matters. It's just getting people hopes up this kid can get back to his original form. Just like the jags we could have two first round picks sooner rather than later.
 

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I am not worrying. Don't confuse not blowing smoke up the ***** of the team as me worrying about anything. Just calling it like I see it.

The team has holes.

Every team including Denver from last year had holes. It's inevitable and as injuries pile up
the holes increase exponentially.
 
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