Jerry Jones: 'No evidence' for six game suspension in Ezekiel Elliott case

[Hawkeye19]

If he is truly innocent, then her false allegations has caused him severe harm.

As I said, if he gets a favorable judgement but doesn't get a penny from her, he still wins. He gets his name back.

^^This.

If Zeke is innocent of the accusation, then he should fight it for as long as it takes to clear his name.

The NFL literally labeled him a "woman beater" in their statement. You can call Zeke immature, brash, arrogant, irresponsible, "party animal" etc... but as soon as the NFL branded him a woman beater they negatively affected his rep for the rest of his life-- and that has serious and definite repurcussions on his ability to maximize his earnings in the prime of his career.

 

[The Quest for Six]

Or maybe she is being dishonest and spiteful and maliciously accused someone of a felony...who knows. Truth is none of us know what happened, but the evidence that has been made public brings a lot into question in regards to her accusations.

If I didn't know any better Quest, I would swear this girl is related to you or someone close to you has been seriously hurt by DV given how vehemently you have argued Zeke's guilt based solely on her accusations, pictures, and 4 individuals who could potentially be biased given their backgrounds.

I can speak for myself, my mother suffered from years of DV, my sister-in-law nearly died from DV and I abhor people who engage in this detestable action. With that said, unlike you, I cannot argue without doubt that Zeke is guilty of these accusations.

I'm not arguing that he's guilty or not, I don't know, I wasn't there.....but the league investigated it, they presented all the evidence to a independent panel of 4 people and based on their decision looking at all that evidence, they found that a preponderance of the evidence(51%) that he hit her.a 4-0 decision, not 3-1 or 2-2 decision but it was unanimous...He has a right to appeal, I have no problem with that but if he doesn't like the result of his collectively bargained process between the NFL and NFLPA, then I do have a problem running out to cherry pick some court to find an injunction or relief on a technicality or process, I had a problem with Brady doing it and knew he was going to have to face the suspension anyway in the end but like the Brady case, Zeke is heading down that same road and will lose, he should serve his penalty and put it behind him and move on.....Zeke has some issues, his college coach thinks he needs some help, the DA thought there was evidence of abuse but didn't think he could secure a conviction....the longer this goes on the worse it's going to get for Zeke......Big Ben put it behind him, Zeke should do the same....there's a pattern of behavior with him, he better change it or he's going to be in bigger problem...

 

[DenCWBY]

I like Jerry. I know many do not. I think he truly wants to win and unlike other owners, he's often tried to put his money where his mouth is. I think he's been misguided at times with how to build the team. But in the end, I suspect his desire to win is there.

That being said, I kind of wish he'd shut the hell up at this point and let this thing work through the appeal process and the likely court filing.

I agree. You don't want to challenge the NFL especially through the media. $hit happens when you get on their bad side. I'm sure JJ has been bursting to spew his thoughts on this from the day the suspension was announced. Hold your thoughts Jerry and if the NFL is found wrong, let them walk away without rubbing it in their face. Best thing you can do for the team.

 

[erod]

It under the heading of conduct detrimental to the league

No, it's not.

 

[mahoneybill]

Created new thread because this is Jerry speaking out for the first time since suspension.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-six-game-suspension-in-ezekiel-elliott-case/

The full quotes from Jones are as follows:

"Unfortunately you get confused in this conversation. Every person that has any sense at all understands domestic violence and abhors it. On the other hand, I've had a lot of experience in this area. For 10 years before I bought the Cowboys I was the head of battered women of Arkansas. I raised more money and been in more safe houses than a lot of people that talk about it and so it's a terrible problem.

"On the other hand with what we are today and what we're trying to be relative to addressing it in the league, [it] has all kinds of issues and it should. It's a very complicated issue because you have no evidence here. That's all I want to say about it. But it creates quite a convoluted approach by Zeke's representatives and by the league that I really hate is a focus of all of our attention. I do. Even though others would say that the issue needs this kind of focus and you're using the NFL for visibility."

JJ laying down some street Cred on the issue while providing air cover for Zeke and Legal Team for the potential war to come.....

 

[Plumfool]

I'm not arguing that he's guilty or not, I don't know, I wasn't there.....but the league investigated it, they presented all the evidence to a independent panel of 4 people and based on their decision looking at all that evidence, they found that a preponderance of the evidence(51%) that he hit her.a 4-0 decision, not 3-1 or 2-2 decision but it was unanimous...He has a right to appeal, I have no problem with that but if he doesn't like the result of his collectively bargained process between the NFL and NFLPA, then I do have a problem running out to cherry pick some court to find an injunction or relief on a technicality or process, I had a problem with Brady doing it and knew he was going to have to face the suspension anyway in the end but like the Brady case, Zeke is heading down that same road and will lose, he should serve his penalty and put it behind him and move on.....Zeke has some issues, his college coach thinks he needs some help, the DA thought there was evidence of abuse but didn't think he could secure a conviction....the longer this goes on the worse it's going to get for Zeke......Big Ben put it behind him, Zeke should do the same....there's a pattern of behavior with him, he better change it or he's going to be in bigger problem...

He may have problems that may be true. But here's the thing. If he knows he did not lay a hand on her in a criminal way, which is the ONLY issue that matters in this case, then he should not take it lying down. If the NFL can cherry pick it's investigative team, and It's appeals overseer, then Zeke and anyone else in a similar situation should have that same right to tip things in their favor.

Serving a penalty just because? Its dumb. Ben perhaps knew he was at fault, so he shut up took his little punishment. Ben and Zeke aren't the same it appears.

 

[Cmac]

Roger and Jerry should have been on the undercard for the Mayweather/McGregor card.....Go Jerry!!

 

[irishline]

Civil case and Roethlisberger reached a settlement

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/7485346/settlement-reached-ben-roethlisberger-civil-lawsuit

there is no admittance of guilt, they both agreed to settle the case, the case was then dismissed, they never got into a court room..... Ben and his lawyer were smart, they wanted to get it behind him.

That is not the case he was suspended for. He was accused twice of sexual assault. Once in 2009 and again in 2010. The civil suit he settled (in 2012) was for the 2009 incident. The one he got suspended for happened in 2010. It was not prosecuted because the accuser wrote a letter stating, after initially indicating she wanted to prosecute, that she did not want to press charges (for whatever reason - it was somewhat assumed at the time that he reached a financial settlement with her in exchange for not pressing criminal charges).

https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/arti...r-quarterback-twice-accused-of-sexual-assault

 

[Risen Star]

I disagree with Jerry. There is evidence.

She said it happened.

Now what?

 

[Corso]

I disagree with Jerry. There is evidence.

She said it happened.

I say you hit me in a harmful manner. There's evidence. I said it.

 

[The Quest for Six]

No, it's not.

But even if the conduct does not result in a criminal conviction, players found to have engaged in any of the following conduct will be subject to discipline. Prohibited conduct includes but is not limited to the following:

 Actual or threatened physical violence against another person, including dating violence, domestic violence, child abuse, and other forms of family violence;

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/photo/2017/08/11/0ap3000000828506.pdf

 

[Boyzmamacita]

I think Zeke did that all on his own...The league didn't make the charge!

You're right. A liar did.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Unless the suspension is reduced to 0 games, I hope Zeke takes it to court and sues the piss out of the NFL.

Exactly!

 

[mmohican29]

If he's innocent then no way unless they take the abuser label off the table.

That damage is done. They declared him an abuser. Period.

The NFL will not take the abuser label off of Zeke. If they do, they would probably be handing Zeke's attorneys a defamation lawsuit. It seems their only course of action is to dogfight their decision tooth and nail.

This thing could go so many different ways and the NFL should have had foresight to not make an example of Zeke and use this case to do so. You now are subject to a racial discrimination lawsuit as well.

Not to mention the installed DV investigator could probably be called out for her Giants fandom as grounds for a bias in investigation prior to punishment. Especially with Josh Brown getting a 1 game suspension.

This came from someone other than Goodell I assure you. In the end, I believe the NFL will pay dearly for this miscarriage of justice.

The smart move from Mara's people (yes, I said it) would have been to hand Ezekiel a 4 game suspension for conduct detrimental citing the parade float incident, the traffic ticket and mitigated it to 2 games with a stern warning for future punishment should his behavior not change. The Cowboys could not fight that.

This is about to get really interesting IMO. I bet all of Mara's tin men fall when it's said and done. Blandino got out before he got cornered by a psychotic, still angry Cowboys fan. Wait until the world finds out Lisa Friel spent a year trying to pin Ezekiel on false charges because she too is a Giants fan, indebted to their owner for her install in the league office.

Her appointed panel is a joke. I know this post seems a bit conspiratorial. That's because it is exactly that.

 

[RoboQB]

But even if the conduct does not result in a criminal conviction, players found to have engaged in any of the following conduct will be subject to discipline. Prohibited conduct includes but is not limited to the following:

 Actual or threatened physical violence against another person, including dating violence, domestic violence, child abuse, and other forms of family violence;

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/photo/2017/08/11/0ap3000000828506.pdf

How 'bout you point out specifically what you claim he did because there's no evidence that he did anything.

I can take a picture of a bruise on my foot and say you stepped on it or you could say I kicked your butt.
Without proof, a picture means nothing. One would think 5-6 affidavits from witnesses would help but
apparently not.

 

[The Quest for Six]

How 'bout you point out specifically what you claim he did because there's no evidence that he did anything.

I can take a picture of a bruise on my foot and say you stepped on it or you could say I kicked your butt.
Without proof, a picture means nothing. One would think 5-6 affidavits from witnesses would help but
apparently not.

4 independent individuals reviewed all the evidence and concluded he did....

 

[Corso]

You're right. A liar did.

I would HATE HATE HATE to go down like this. It would come close to destroying me. A woman saying I did such heinous things to her and I didn't?

I don't claim to know the truth of everything, but I would HATE to go down like that, and I've been in serious, serious trouble with the gub'ment for things taken out of context and had to prove myself for years to just get off a no-fly list.
I survived that, but this issue? Too close, emotionally. It would hurt so much.

 

[phildadon86]

Yes, I know that....

I'm replying to this dude's assertion that "If your employer fires you without cause or evidence you can sue them. "

Well this dude was referring to any job with a union. Maybe being Canadian we have a different set of laws. But unions usually protect their people. That's what I was inferring

 

[phildadon86]

4 independent individuals reviewed all the evidence and concluded he did....

Yeah. 4 independent people who were hired by the nfl. Surprising they went the way of the guy who paid them to work lol

 

[Corso]

4 independent individuals reviewed all the evidence and concluded he did....

I get your righteousness and your points: Zeke now has to prove he's innocent while judged guilty, but he's already guilty in a court of nothing. Not the other way around.
Sure seems like you're wanting something to happen, in particular, though.