Jerry Jones open to trading 2016 first-rounder

[SunspotJonz]

But the chances of him "ensuring" a SB win is low, due to all the things that can happen between now and the end of the season.

Nothing is guaranteed, i agree with you. But the object of running a sports franchise is constructing the best chance to win. AP at RB over mcfadden and randle is a better chance. If you dont agree with that then I can no longer carry on this debate since your credibility will be lacking.

 

[Galian Beast]

Huh?

The cost is always tied to the result.

I'll tell ya GB, you're so 'in luv' with this whole AD thing that you're not able to see any of this objectively.

If a key player wins you a super bowl and they cost a 1st round draft pick or if they cost nothing, would you still make the deal?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Nothing is guaranteed, i agree with you. But the object of running a sports franchise is constructing the best chance to win. AP at RB over mcfadden and randle is a better chance. If you dont agree with that then I can no longer carry on this debate since your credibility will be lacking.

I believe the putting a plan in place that makes most sense long-term, i.e. long-term winning, as opposed to short-term winning makes the most sense.

We seen time after time that "all in" thinking has achieved desired effects.

If one believes short-term thinking is a sound NFL strategy then I would not question someone's credibility but their understanding of game and its history.

 

[Galian Beast]

3 of those guys were signed as UFA's and the 4th (Dillon) was traded for a second. So I'm not exactly seeing those a 4 good examples of teams mortgaging the future to bring them in.

Is a 32nd pick in the draft a mortgage of the future when it wins you a super bowl?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

If a key player wins you a super bowl and they cost a 1st round draft pick or if they cost nothing, would you still make the deal?

Can't be answered because there is no "one" player that can win the Cowboys a Super Bowl.

It's a team sport and is subject to the whims of luck, bad luck in addition to the performance of many on the team.

 

[Rogah]

Nothing is guaranteed, i agree with you. But the object of running a sports franchise is constructing the best chance to win. AP at RB over mcfadden and randle is a better chance. If you dont agree with that then I can no longer carry on this debate since your credibility will be lacking.

I don't think anyone is saying Peterson isn't the best option, all else being equal. But all else is not equal. He will cost a 1st rounder plus a lot more money, whereas those other guys are already here.

 

[Rogah]

If a key player wins you a super bowl and they cost a 1st round draft pick or if they cost nothing, would you still make the deal?

That's the same thinking the Vikings applied roughly 20 years ago.

"No price is too great to pay for a guy who puts us over the top, and Herschel Walker will put us over the top."

Obviously the Vikings aren't asking for as much in trade, but the mentality that "this guy puts us over the top" is very similar.

 

[Galian Beast]

That's the same thinking the Vikings applied roughly 20 years ago.

"No price is too great to pay for a guy who puts us over the top, and Herschel Walker will put us over the top."

Obviously the Vikings aren't asking for as much in trade, but the mentality that "this guy puts us over the top" is very similar.

And the conclusion isn't necessarily wrong, which is what you're missing.

A player can in fact put you over the top and at the cost of a 1st round draft pick (32nd pick in the draft) it is certainly worth it.

Is it worth Bobby Carpenter? Morris Claiborne? Marcus Spears? Anthony Spencer?

Hell it's worth more than DeMarcus Ware.

 

[ufcrules1]

With the team we have built so far and our vet QB window. Should we plan of the long term or the short term?

In the past we weren't even close to a super bowl when going all in. Now we do have a super bowl caliber team. That is the difference.

 

[Galian Beast]

I don't think anyone is saying Peterson isn't the best option, all else being equal. But all else is not equal. He will cost a 1st rounder plus a lot more money, whereas those other guys are already here.

How much better do you think Peterson is than Murray? Do you think Peterson fumbles the ball where Murray did in the playoffs or do you think he hits that hole with the speed he has shown his entire career and scores a touchdown?

Peterson has 2000 yards rushing with average offensive lines, you give him what Murray had last year (let alone this year with Collins) and we're talking about redefining rushing records. All that with a much better defense....

 

[pacy]

People always forget that the Vikings have all cards in their hands. If they won't release or trade Peterson, he is not coming here period.
And they have the money to pay Peterson the next couple of years, even if he doesn't show up. They could play hard ball here.
Believe me, the Vikings don't want Peterson to become a Cowboy. That's probably the last thing they want. They want Peterson to play for them.
So if they can't get what THEY want why would they just give Peterson what HE wants.

I would love to have Peterson behind our line but I just don't see it happening.

 

[EMMITTnROY]

The problem is this...

Our biggest strength and the whole reason we were contenders last year was the running game. And we lost the guy who gained all those yards. Now it's a huge question mark.

Can Randle and/or McFadden do a good enough job to win us a title? Quite possibly. But it's a question mark now. It's a huge risk to gamble on just anyone replicating that success.

AD would take that risk away. He would make our biggest strength even stronger. That's why so many of us want him.

 

[JohnsKey19]

I'd do it under the condition that Peterson reworks the contract to a 3 year deal that does not exceed 10 mil annually. Unlikely he goes for that but it has to make sense for the Cowboys financially too.

Peterson would make a huge difference in how the opposing defense can gameplan. He's a superior runner to Murray, and I think highly of DeMarco. Even if you believe Peterson has lost a step at age 30 and after a year layoff, and that's up for debate, he has not lost the rare power great vision and instincts.

As others have stated, when you're a team on the cusp, sometimes you take a risk to put the team over the top. Seattle did it with Graham. You're telling me it's ok to trade a 1st round pick for a TE who MAY not gain 3000 receiving yards over 3 years but it's not ok to trade a 1st for an elite RB who very likely will gain 4200-4500 rushing yards over 3 years???? I believe that Peterson in year 3 as a Cowboy will be a more valuable player than Graham in Seattle at the same time.

Again, money is the sticking point. The contract would most definitely have to be re-worked.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I'd do it under the condition that Peterson reworks the contract to a 3 year deal that does not exceed 10 mil annually. Unlikely he goes for that but it has to make sense for the Cowboys financially too.

Peterson would make a huge difference in how the opposing defense can gameplan. He's a superior runner to Murray, and I think highly of DeMarco. Even if you believe Peterson has lost a step at age 30 and after a year layoff, and that's up for debate, he has not lost the rare power great vision and instincts.

As others have stated, when you're a team on the cusp, sometimes you take a risk to put the team over the top. Seattle did it with Graham. You're telling me it's ok to trade a 1st round pick for a TE who MAY not gain 3000 receiving yards over 3 years but it's not ok to trade a 1st for an elite RB who very likely will gain 4200-4500 rushing yards over 3 years???? I believe that Peterson in year 3 as a Cowboy will be a more valuable player than Graham in Seattle at the same time.

Again, money is the sticking point. The contract would most definitely have to be re-worked.

Not to exceed $10 mill annually?

LOL!

So what young players do you no longer want to be Cowboys when their contracts expire because the Cowboys will not have the cap space to accommodate them?

You would have well over $40 million in cap space tied up into 3 players... 2 of them over 30.

Not good.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

The problem is this...

Our biggest strength and the whole reason we were contenders last year was the running game. And we lost the guy who gained all those yards. Now it's a huge question mark.

Can Randle and/or McFadden do a good enough job to win us a title? Quite possibly. But it's a question mark now. It's a huge risk to gamble on just anyone replicating that success.

AD would take that risk away. He would make our biggest strength even stronger. That's why so many of us want him.

The biggest strength was the offensive line...

And that unit will be stronger this season (barring injury of course).

The biggest thing that will hold this team back from winning a Super Bowl will not be the offense.

 

[Stash]

And to me the salary cap ramifications are worse than giving away the 1st round pick.

What are the salary cap ramifications?

 

[Stash]

I think the team as currently constructed can win the Super Bowl.

I think the team as currently constructed but adding AD would make us consensus favorites to win the Super Bowl.

Yeah, this sums up what I was going to say.

Do we have a good chance to win the Super Bowl? I think so.

Do we have a significantly better chance to win by adding Adrian Peterson? I very much think so.

 

[ufcrules1]

Not to exceed $10 mill annually?

LOL!

So what young players do you no longer want to be Cowboys when their contracts expire because the Cowboys will not have the cap space to accommodate them?

You would have well over $40 million in cap space tied up into 3 players... 2 of them over 30.

Not good.

My answer to that would be I want a super bowl right now. I will worry about the future later. Even Jerry agrees with me that Romo doesn't have much longer to go and now is the time to make something happen. We got 3 first rounders this year in Jones, Collins, and Gregory AND an elite pass rusher. I think we can give up next years 1st rounder. We can figure out the money situation as well. There are many ways to skin that cat.

 

[Doomsday]

There really arent any RBs out there I would give up a first round pick for. Corner back, I would consider, to me that is a much bigger concern then RB.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

My answer to that would be I want a super bowl right now. I will worry about the future later. Even Jerry agrees with me that Romo doesn't have much longer to go and now is the time to make something happen. We got 3 first rounders this year in Jones, Collins, and Gregory AND an elite pass rusher. I think we can give up next years 1st rounder. We can figure out the money situation as well. There are many ways to skin that cat.

I'd love to see Romo win a Super Bowl.

But I lived through the Danny White era of not winning a Super Bowl... And I survived. The Cowboys traded away a first round draft pick to acquire John Dutton and that didn't ensure anything.

Jerry tried ensuring another SB run with the Galloway trade and that ended up ugly.

Jerry tried ensuring another SB run with the Roy Williams trade and that ended up ugly.

If Romo doesn't win a SB, I can handle it.

But to see this team suddenly become non-competitive (again) due to the large amount of monies tied up into aging superstars which leads to talented youngsters leaving for larger contracts elsewhere... No. I find that unpalatable.

And if the Cowboys do not win a SB with Romo, you'll survive also.