Jerry Jones says Cowboys will NOT draft QB with no. 4 pick *Super Hot Pants Mega Merge*

[Stash]

Actually no, because every scouting report on the freakin' guy states he is versatile enough to fit into every linebacker position. I mean, it's kinda like that's the reason he's projected in the top 5 or something!

Who cares? Aaron Curry was the last can't miss linebacker at #4 overall and he was a lock! And each and every one of these same guys had even better things to say about him. Because he had actually done it. And he was a huge bust. And now you want to grab a guy at #4 overall and cross your fingers he can do something he's never done. Great plan...

Has he done any of these things? No, but I'm sure he can...

I mean, does logic go out the window for some of you when you lock onto a position or player in the draft?

You have zero right to use the word "logic" when you're campaigning to take two "projections" at #4. The word doesn't belong in any of your sentences.

 

[Stash]

Actually, he has reflected on those failures and has given himself an "F" in an article by Clarence Hill.

I would post the article but I am not subscribing to the FWST to do it.

And yet he's going to take the same test and give the same answers and hope he passes this time?

 

[Risen Star]

“I don’t want to be back [at the top of the draft again],” Jones said. “I know when you’re drafting in the middle or drafting below that 20, it’s a real challenge to retool the quarterback. I’ve been there and made an F.”

Well the good news is the direction they're going will give him plenty of opportunities to find a QB at the top of the draft. Don't like this year's top 5? Try again next year. Those days are right around the corner.

 

[KJJ]

Been saying all along Jerry won't draft a QB with the 4th overall pick. A 4-12 team can't be using a top 5 pick on a player who'll be standing on the sidelines carrying a clipboard for who knows how long. A QB drafted that high has to play some to develop you can't just keep them on the shelf until Romo is done. I think there's a very high probability the Cowboys trade down and take a QB or another position. Bosa was suspended for pot prior to the 2015 college season so that will very likely turn the Cowboys off to him due to their situation with Gregory. They can't take the risk of drafting another pot head especially with a top 5 pick. Myles Jack is coming off an injury so he would be a risk at #4 overall and the Cowboys haven't had much luck drafting LB's so everything is pointing to the team trading down.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The top of that class is Weddle, a player who has steadily declined the past 4 years.

He was named to the Pro Bowl and the All Pro 1st team in 2014. He was a Pro Bowler in 2013. He was a Pro Bowler and All Pro 1st team in 2011. I know that's more then just 4 years, it's 5 but still, I don't know how much he has declined.

 

[merrelb]

I think Zeke would be a great pick. I'm more concerned with getting a great player in the first round than where he was picked. I saw every game this kid played and he's the real deal. He would make teams game plan around him opening up Dez. He's a good pass blocker helping to keep Romo upright and healthy. To me, the value of him moving the chains and keeping the defense OFF the field would be a tremendous benefit to the defense. I think the value he gives you there outweighs the impact a first year defensive player makes. Overall great player, great attitude and kid, position of need....what's not to like other than you took him 5 spots before you would have liked to??

 

[Stash]

“I don’t want to be back [at the top of the draft again],” Jones said. “I know when you’re drafting in the middle or drafting below that 20, it’s a real challenge to retool the quarterback. I’ve been there and made an F.”

So how can that guy then turn around and state that he won't take a QB at #4?

And follow that up by stating that he wants a "Favre/Aaron Rodgers type succession plan"?

It's enough to make your head hurt!

 

[jnday]

You'd be hard pressed to find anyone who did not agree Claiborne was a top 5 pick. Everyone loved him. Everyone was wrong. It happens.

Now he's just afraid to get burned again. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice....

He didn't fool me once. I watched him in too many college games to think he was special.

 

[Alexander]

Actually no, because every scouting report on the freakin' guy states he is versatile enough to fit into every linebacker position. I mean, it's kinda like that's the reason he's projected in the top 5 or something!

I mean, does logic go out the window for some of you when you lock onto a position or player in the draft?

So wait, assuming we sign McClain back, what would Jack do? Oh yes, play the Shelton Quarles role in Marinelli's defense.

Sign me up for that kind of value in the top five.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Welcome back to the days of Tony Banks!

If he does this, the old fool has learned nothing in over 15 years.

Tony Banks. Our great QB that they cut right before the regular season started because they were so impressed with Quincy. Yep. Those were great days. It took Parcells to get us out of it.

 

[MikeT22]

There's just as many question marks with these other prospects which is why I'd go QB at 4. And I'd definitely go QB if the thinking is we'll go defense at 4 and then take a lower level QB in the 2nd or 3rd.

But as for the OPs question, if no QB, then I wouldn't take Ramsey. He isn't a true CB or S and is a lot like Byron Jones who we took last year and late in the 1st. I also wouldn't go with Jack. I don't see the top level production and that's the only way I'd take a 4-3 LB this high.

So that leaves either Bosa or Buckner. I have them rated about the same but would probably lean Bosa.

 

[tyke1doe]

I love this forum during draft season.

 

[Stash]

Tony Banks. Our great QB that they cut right before the regular season started because they were so impressed with Quincy. Yep. Those were great days. It took Parcells to get us out of it.

Exactly. And in the meantime we were acquiring one failed baseball player after another because Jerry continured to think that he could 'cheat the system'.

If it wasn't for Sean Payton, this team would still be looking.

 

[jnday]

Sorry. None of the QBs in this draft are graded as a "franchise QB." By any team. One might surprise and turn out to be the next Tom Brady. But, right now, no team has a "franchise" grade on any of the QBs in this draft.

Overall, it's a bad draft for offense. Bad, in the sense nothing spectacular, but maybe overall, deep with potentially solid allplayers particularly on defense. On offense, nothing to get excited about or write home about.

You have no ideal how teams have these QBs rated. They don't make this info public. You have read a few articles snd know how some of the draft sites feel though.

 

[ErikWilliamsHeadSlap]

Stash, are you assuming there is a starting QB in this draft? I'm not convinced. If Goff or Wentz don't fulfill their potential, you get nothing. They wont see the field unless there is an injury or two. If Jack, Bosa or Ramsey don't reach their potential, you might at least get a serviceable player.

It is a bad situation. A crap season ending in a high pick with potentially no impact player of value. It is a year for trading down and stockpiling picks for day 2. But I don't see any potential trade partners. I lean towards choosing a QB. But at this stage I'm not bothered either way. Perhaps our success in free agency will change my outlook on this draft.

 

[mattjames2010]

At least he's proven and has actually played the position and we don't have to cross our fingers and hope! And yep, that it's, just Erice Weddle. No other options, none...




Again, it doesn't matter what they cost, we can get one! Where's the starting quarterback for the future we can get? Where's that guy at?





Look no further than last year's projection Byron Jones and all of his contributions to this team's success in 2015. But hey, he's our future star free safety because...Cowboys...

At least he's proven and has actually played the position and we don't have to cross our fingers and hope! And yep, that it's, just Erice Weddle. No other options, none...

Your argument isn't as solid as you think it is. The "This FA has a history of success" - that's great, I guess we should cancel out players everywhere in the draft then. You know what, ****, cross off QB. RGIII had a pro-bowl season, he has "proven" more than the QB prospects. We can't just cross our fingers and hope one of these QBs overcome the high bust rate of QBs that enter the NFL through the draft, right?

I love Stash logic. This is fun!

Again, it doesn't matter what they cost, we can get one! Where's the starting quarterback for the future we can get? Where's that guy at?

What kind of casual NFL fan babble is this? "It doesn't matter what cost"? Did you just start watching the NFL last year? My goodness. There is a cap for a reason and it must be managed reasonably.

Did your IQ drop overnight?

 

[mattjames2010]

So wait, assuming we sign McClain back, what would Jack do? Oh yes, play the Shelton Quarles role in Marinelli's defense.

Sign me up for that kind of value in the top five.

I don't think we'd go with Jack if we resign McClain. But I don't think it's a good reason to completely dismiss him either even if we do. I expect Lee to go down at some point, and I'm not sold on McClain staying healthy, out of trouble, and I believe what we've seen of McClain is all we'll ever get. An inconsistent player. I'd see Jack as competing with McClain while being great depth at a position we have had issue with these past few seasons. McClain isn't a longterm answer.

 

[MikeT22]

No that just means you are a terrible excuse for a GM and you have no eye for talent.

Truer words have never been spoken. Jerry has never had an eye for talent. He's only a GM because he owns the team and gave himself the title. He's only as good as the people he relies on. Early on it was Jimmy and our elite scouts. That got him three rings. After that it was guys like Lacewell and Barry Switzer. Even when they were no longer at Valley Ranch he had them on speed dial. Sometimes he's listened to other outside 'consultants' and other times he just went against the Cowboys scouts and coaches and made key personnel decisions on his own, or been the tie-breaking vote.

Lately our scouting has been better and we've done better in the first round. But it still comes down to who is setting the philosophy and priority. But scouting only gets you so far if the guy at the top decides to turn over day 3 of the draft to special teams, or likes to chances on injured players or guys with character issues on day 2, or decides to take a position like QB off the table in the first round.

Unfortunately for the Cowboys and us fans we have an oil wildcatter / businessman at the top making those decisions.

 

[Szczepanik]

And I think you're completely wrong about it. You're projecting players as playmakers when they have not shown to be that. The numbers don't show them to be playmakers at all and that's a fact.

Sounds to me that you don't know Jack.

 

[MikeT22]

Been saying all along Jerry won't draft a QB with the 4th overall pick. A 4-12 team can't be using a top 5 pick on a player who'll be standing on the sidelines carrying a clipboard for who knows how long. A QB drafted that high has to play some to develop you can't just keep them on the shelf until Romo is done. I think there's a very high probability the Cowboys trade down and take a QB or another position. Bosa was suspended for pot prior to the 2015 college season so that will very likely turn the Cowboys off to him due to their situation with Gregory. They can't take the risk of drafting another pot head especially with a top 5 pick. Myles Jack is coming off an injury so he would be a risk at #4 overall and the Cowboys haven't had much luck drafting LB's so everything is pointing to the team trading down.

All of these question marks surrounding these players at the top is why I would go QB. If we don't then I would prefer to trade down but there's no guarantee we could do that. I can only see someone wanting to move up for a QB in which case it'd make more sense to stay put and take him ourselves.