Jerry Jones says Cowboys will NOT draft QB with no. 4 pick *Super Hot Pants Mega Merge*

[MarkP88]

It would take a lot of belief the prospect was "Aikman-like" to justify it to me.

But as of today none of these guys seem to be anywhere close to that (Aikman's) talent level.

Why does the prospect have to be Aikman-like? You mean you literally will not take a QB high unless you're convinced he will be as good as one of the best players in franchise history? What if he's "only" as good as Eli Manning or Matt Ryan?

 

[mattjames2010]

Can I get a safety in free agency. Yes, a proven safety, not a projected safety. Can I get a cornerback k in free agency? Yes, a proven cornerback, not a projected cornerback. Can I get a potential starting quarterback? Not a chance! Kirk Cousins just got $19 million for this year.



Either/or is always a bad idea. Projecting college players is always a bad idea. Hoping for "production" that never actually been there is always a bad idea.



Again I'll ask, where's the "production"? And you might be fine with "wherever he ends up" but the draft is littered with failed draft picks that somebody mistakenly thought could do something they actually couldn't.

What safety? Have you seen the FA class? The top of that class is Weddle, a player who has steadily declined the past 4 years. Again with cornerbacks, this is funny. Who? What talented CB can we sign that won't be demanding a high price? Johnson? Back with Rams. Jenkins? Wants a crap ton of money on a multi-year deal, pass. Sean Smith? One of the better #1 corners in the league, will be asking for a good size contract if he doesn't return to KC. So who do we sign? Prince, a player just like Claiborne who has been injured and never lived up to his first round status? Is there some imaginary CB on the market that you're hoping we sign?

Either/or is always a bad idea.

Citation needed to prove this. Not you saying whatever fits your "Draft a QB!" agenda"

 

[MikeT22]

Welcome back to the days of Tony Banks!

If he does this, the old fool has learned nothing in over 15 years.

We'll probably get Prescott on day 2, so yeah, he's learned nothing. QC2

 

[mattjames2010]

Yeah, he could play middle linebacker just because! Because we need him to, because we want him to, because someone thinks he can.

Not because he's actually done it.

Actually no, because every scouting report on the freakin' guy states he is versatile enough to fit into every linebacker position. I mean, it's kinda like that's the reason he's projected in the top 5 or something!

I mean, does logic go out the window for some of you when you lock onto a position or player in the draft?

 

[MikeT22]

I think Jerry won't take a QB in the first. He may or may not really believe Romo has 4-5 more years. But I'm sure he believes Romo has at least 2-3 more and isn't going to use a top 5 pick on a QB he thinks will just sit for 2-3 years.

But with Tony's age and injury history, I'm not sure he has 2-3 more years. And even if he does, he couldn't win more than a couple of wildcard games in his prime so not sure why anyone thinks adding a top 10 DB, DL or LB is now suddenly going to put us over the top.

But no doubt in Jerry's narrow-minded thinking, Romo gives us our best chance for the next few years and in order to best win in that time frame we need immediate impact starter in the first round this year even if it means passing on our potential longterm franchise starting QB.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Why does the prospect have to be Aikman-like? You mean you literally will not take a QB high unless you're convinced he will be as good as one of the best players in franchise history? What if he's "only" as good as Eli Manning or Matt Ryan?

It was just because Aikman's name was brought up.

Would I take guy as good as Eli or Matt Ryan?

You bet!

Now comes the tricky part of supplying said guy.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

We'll probably get Prescott on day 2, so yeah, he's learned nothing. QC2

Boy Prescott might be a bust, but there's no comparing what he did at college to Quincy. Without even consider pass attempts and all that stuff, just look at the completion percentage when comparing the two.

 

[Shinaoi]

Jerry always wants to take the shortcut to winning. He doesn't understand building a team and culture through a carefully thoughout plan. It's worked in a lot of ways in other business in his life, but it hasn't dawned on him yet the football field isn't the oil business. Most people learn from mistakes, he just goes right along thinking it will work next time for 20 years in a row.

 

[Stash]

Sorry. None of the QBs in this draft are graded as a "franchise QB." By any team. One might surprise and turn out to be the next Tom Brady. But, right now, no team has a "franchise" grade on any of the QBs in this draft.

I think that you should send an email to the NFL.com website and have them correct their description of Jared Goff.

BOTTOM LINE
While Goff is a little leaner in the lower body than teams might like, he has good size, an NFL arm, advanced pocket mobility and the field demeanor of a franchise quarterback. His accuracy and decision making will suffer from occasional lapses, but he displays the tools to become a good starting quarterback with time.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/jared-goff?id=2555334

 

[MikeT22]

Boy Prescott might be a bust, but there's no comparing what he did at college to Quincy. Without even consider pass attempts and all that stuff, just look at the completion percentage when comparing the two.

You are right about that. I should've been more specific. My post wasn't meant as a comparison of player but in regards to probably wasting a 2nd/3rd round pick on a QB who isn't likely to ever be a quality long term starter while bypassing much better talent at other positions.

If we don't go QB in the first then as deep as this draft is, especially at DL, RB, DB, I don't want us to bypass that talent in the 2nd / 3rd round in order to take a 2nd tier QB.

 

[MikeT22]

Jerry always wants to take the shortcut to winning. He doesn't understand building a team and culture through a carefully thoughout plan. It's worked in a lot of ways in other business in his life, but it hasn't dawned on him yet the football field isn't the oil business. Most people learn from mistakes, he just goes right along thinking it will work next time for 20 years in a row.

Bingo! Couldn't have said it better.

 

[Stash]

Jerry always wants to take the shortcut to winning. He doesn't understand building a team and culture through a carefully thoughout plan. It's worked in a lot of ways in other business in his life, but it hasn't dawned on him yet the football field isn't the oil business. Most people learn from mistakes, he just goes right along thinking it will work next time for 20 years in a row.

And the worst part is that he's already lived through it and apparently learned nothing.

 

[Alexander]

And the worst part is that he's already lived through it and apparently learned nothing.

Actually, he has reflected on those failures and has given himself an "F" in an article by Clarence Hill.

I would post the article but I am not subscribing to the FWST to do it.

 

[Risen Star]

Fair enough sir, fair enough!

Trust me when I say this. Mikey is anti-QB only because he doesn't think the team will take one.

If you believe anything I'll ever say on here, believe that. Well besides Carson of Bismarck being our savior.

 

[Risen Star]

Actually, he has reflected on those failures and has given himself an "F" in an article by Clarence Hill.

I would post the article but I am not subscribing to the FWST to do it.

This is why I wish Fish would lower his subscription prices so you guys had more disposable income to keep in tune with the team.

~looking away~

 

[speedkilz88]

“I don’t want to be back [at the top of the draft again],” Jones said. “I know when you’re drafting in the middle or drafting below that 20, it’s a real challenge to retool the quarterback. I’ve been there and made an F.”

 

[Stash]

What safety? Have you seen the FA class? The top of that class is Weddle, a player who has steadily declined the past 4 years.

At least he's proven and has actually played the position and we don't have to cross our fingers and hope! And yep, that it's, just Erice Weddle. No other options, none...

Again with cornerbacks, this is funny. Who? What talented CB can we sign that won't be demanding a high price? Johnson? Back with Rams. Jenkins? Wants a crap ton of money on a multi-year deal, pass. Sean Smith? One of the better #1 corners in the league, will be asking for a good size contract if he doesn't return to KC. So who do we sign? Prince, a player just like Claiborne who has been injured and never lived up to his first round status? Is there some imaginary CB on the market that you're hoping we sign?

Again, it doesn't matter what they cost, we can get one! Where's the starting quarterback for the future we can get? Where's that guy at?

Citation needed to prove this. Not you saying whatever fits your "Draft a QB!" agenda"

Look no further than last year's projection Byron Jones and all of his contributions to this team's success in 2015. But hey, he's our future star free safety because...Cowboys...

 

[Alexander]

This is why I wish Fish would lower his subscription prices so you guys had more disposable income to keep in tune with the team.

~looking away~

Call me cheap, but .99 to $5.00 is too much for things I already know or worse, in Fisher's case, homeristic nonsense I could read here for free.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Everyone is worried about Romo going down.

If he goes down again, I am completely fine with another top 5 pick in each round.

Denver showed that a decomposing QB can win a SB with a stellar defense.

I am going the defensive playmaker route.

I don't go out and buy a new car to have in my garage when my current car as another 3-4 years left. That car would just be sitting in the garage, taking up space and $$$.

Everything is relative. For example, if you live in Alaska and you depend on a reliable form of transportation, not only does it make sense to have a backup you can depend on but also, regardless of how many years you think that vehicle is going to last, you get yourself something that you know is going to work.

It's all relative.

 

[Alexander]

“I don’t want to be back [at the top of the draft again],” Jones said. “I know when you’re drafting in the middle or drafting below that 20, it’s a real challenge to retool the quarterback. I’ve been there and made an F.”

"That 20".

Like there is a magic line in drafts.

"Get below that thar 20, makes it real challenge."

No that just means you are a terrible excuse for a GM and you have no eye for talent.